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How Microsoft Chose New Windows Sounds

Steven Parker   on 11 November 2006 - 12:38 · 108 comments & 31975 views

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Some musicians spend 18 months working on a whole album. At Microsoft Corp., that's how long it took to perfect just four seconds of sound.

Of course, this isn't just any four-second clip. It's the sound — a soft da-dum, da-dumm, with a lush fade-out — that millions of computer users will hear every day, and perhaps thousands of times in total, when they turn on computers running Microsoft's forthcoming Windows Vista operating system.

To set the right tone — clean, simple, but with "some long-term legs," according to Microsoft's Steve Ball — the software maker recruited musician Robert Fripp.

Fripp, best known for his work with the '70s rock band King Crimson, recorded hours of his signature layered, guitar-driven sound for the project, under the close direction of Ball and others at Microsoft. Then, it was Ball's job to sort through those hours of live recordings to suss out just the right few seconds.

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(3 replies) #1 Emil2k on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:43
lol, thats a very long time for a short sound.
#1.1 KeR on 11 Nov 2006 - 23:44
I agree, what I find more interesting though is that such things as system sounds and the bootscreen, which are rather trivial things in Vista, are the things people are most concerned about.
#1.2 +guylaroche on 13 Nov 2006 - 04:18
Quote - KeR said @ #1.1
I agree, what I find more interesting though is that such things as system sounds and the bootscreen, which are rather trivial things in Vista, are the things people are most concerned about.


It is indeed a very long time. And I, personally, dislike the sounds. And as for the trivial things (e.g. bootscreen), only n00bs care about that stuff -- I'd rather see what the system is loading/processing!
#1.3 Swordnyx on 14 Nov 2006 - 03:45
Quote - Emil2k said @ #1
lol, thats a very long time for a short sound.


These sounds make XP sound so great, like XP is dominating Vista instead of vice-versa. How strange. I love all the older Windows sounds but this thing sucks. Oh well I'll get used to it.

('',''
(1 reply) #2 Z3r0 on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:44
I don't see the need for a start up/shutdown sound.

I turn mine off. It delays bootup and it's always an annoyance. (i.e. library)

What the **** was this guy doing for 18 months? solely working on this? if so I think MS got conned
#2.1 Matt Zander on 12 Nov 2006 - 05:19
lol. There's a lot of conning that goes on with big business. Try those marketing types that create logos of squares and circles for companies and then get millions. Fosters Group Ltd. was one.
#3 dmbandfan22 on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:46
Is it just me or does this really suck compared to XP? It's sounds really tinny and makes me feel like I have a crappy OS. The XP startup sound was very nice and made you feel like you had a decent OS. I'd probably end up disabling the startup/shutdown sound once I upgrade because this just plain sucks.
(1 reply) #4 lerum on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:46
I hope it was worth it the xp sound has gotten rather boring
#4.1 vetToxicfume on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:46
Dont know, I think I prefer the XP one a lot more than this...this one sounds really strange and kinda like a random sound someone bundled with some obscure linux distribution.

IMO, the best Startup sound was Windows 95's.
(2 replies) #5 SeBsZ on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:51
lisp anyone?
#5.1 mcloum on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:02
Quote - SeBsZ said @ #5
lisp anyone?


Well i didnt want to say anything....can you ssay ssuffering ssucker tash!
#5.2 McG on 12 Nov 2006 - 14:43
REALLY BAD lisp.
(1 reply) #6 +accesser on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:53
Interesting stuff you can see this guy on the CH9 video Robert Fripp - Behind the scenes at Windows Vista recording session

Anybody know if the USB sound is the same when you plug something in?

(1 reply) #7 Saadu on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:54
This is the most boring sound pack ever in windows and ive been using those things since 3.11. I cant distinguish them from one another. The only sounds i disable are shutdown and Start Browsing click.
I hope these sounds are just placeholders and real not the real ones. I still haven't seen the boot screen of vista so it could be that the final final build has all the goodies. I already replaced my Xp sounds with vista but so far they all sound the same.
Either Fripp is some genius whose work we are unable to comprehend or he just slacked off and pooped something at the end.
#7.1 boogerjones on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:58
Prepare to be disappointed, friend. Those are the real sounds and there is no bootscreen.
(2 replies) #8 XxDeadlyxX on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:56
Am I the only person who thinks this is a joke? Will we hear any sounds that resemble Fripp's recording session video on Channel9? Even some nice background music during the setup process would have been something, hell even XP had that.

I just cant believe they recorded hours of ambient soothing music, and all we end up with are <4 second clips, which honestly, arent better than XPs whatsoever on the whole.
#8.1 +accesser on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:58
Fripp had himself a good Job wonder if he eard more than I did for doing this :|
#8.2 beatlesdb on 12 Nov 2006 - 21:03
I agree with you XxDeadlyxX, the sounds are less than inspiring, and for the most part are a rip off of XP in a different key. You would have thought that spending so much time on this would have resolted in something fresh and exiting instead of dull and boring. The battery alert doesn't even seem like an alert - just a light squeek.

They should have got the original team to do their sounds or someone internal - wounder how much they paid for this bad joke. - Cammon Friipp - at least you could have added some originality here!
(2 replies) #9 boogerjones on 11 Nov 2006 - 12:59
I'm with you. The Vista sounds are horrible. Plus, they don't convey their intended message (listen to the critical battery sound: it sounds enlightening).
#9.1 +accesser on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:03
Do you have a link to that ? I like the sound XP makes when you interrupt the IR signal I did that with my phone / laptop that sound scared the **** out of me the first time
#9.2 kazzama on 11 Nov 2006 - 21:32
Quote - boogerjones said @ #9
[..snip..](listen to the critical battery sound: it sounds enlightening).


rofl!!
#10 Fubar on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:00
wow 18 months all for that :s nice way to make a mountain out of a mole hill , ive never used tyhe default sounds , always use my own hehe
#11 Fagutish on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:11
No wonder they didnt add the sounds into most of the Beta Builds... Its crappy elevator music
#12 parnar on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:17
i cant believe they worked 18 months for those sounds...
waste of time and money
#13 kC_ on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:43
wonder if they still use the cracked copy of sound forge that used to make the sounds in XP?

or maybe they actually bought the license for it now?
#14 Shetland on 11 Nov 2006 - 13:57
i think its FAR too sharp. it should be a soft sound.
#15 naap51stang on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:10
And here I was thinking it took so long to release Vista was do to knocking out bugs in the code, and all
along it was because they wanted to "get the right sound" for startup/shutdown LOL
#16 Fourjays on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:18
Those are awful. Would like to hear the rest (link anyone?), but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

The sounds in the OS have to convey their intended message. While the XP sounds get boring after a while, they do convey the message. The critical stop sound, clearly conveys "STOP! Your about to **** something up, so look at me!!". It grabs your attention.

If the rest of the sounds are like those, then what's the point of having any sounds at all?
#17 jimbo11883 on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:38
I was hoping for some sexy processed guitar chords...
#18 +SwitchBlade on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:50
I am truly stunned about the amount of time it took. Yea it took 18 months, but he probably out on the p*ss for most of it. Ill use custom sounds, I don't really want to hear a R2D2 remix each time I load, and as for the other sounds, pap.
(3 replies) #19 Angel Blue01 on 11 Nov 2006 - 14:57
The Windows 2000 sounds were the best.

Win95 had the best startup sound.
#19.1 Saadu on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:34
Agreed.
#19.2 +rm20010 on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:42
Yeah. Windows 2000/ME's sound sounds fantastic. However, unlike most here I also find Vista's startup sound appropriate.

Also on that site: Win95's startup sound.

(Now if your question is what is the best startup sound overall: Ubuntu's startup?)
#19.3 karma_police on 13 Nov 2006 - 15:52
Quote - rm20010 said @ #19.2
Yeah. Windows 2000/ME's sound sounds fantastic. However, unlike most here I also find Vista's startup sound appropriate.

Also on that site: Win95's startup sound.

(Now if your question is what is the best startup sound overall: Ubuntu's startup?)


I really like Ubuntu's startup sound.
#20 N_B on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:06
Agree with Shetland, that sound is way too sharp!
#21 ziadoz on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:17
I think the new sounds are much nicer and a lot less obtrusive than the Windows XP ones. I turned my laptop on at university the other day and crapped myself when I heard the Windows XP boot up sound. Now I've got some nice new replacements.

A lot of people seem disappointed with them. Once you've had Windows Vista they will be the norm and you guys will be moaning about the next version of Windows sounds instead. Turn them off if you really don't like them.

Last edited by ziadoz on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:27
(2 replies) #22 LTD on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:22
Oh my god. This is even more anticlimactic than New Year's Eve, 2000.

18 months??? Once again. we're seeing Microsoft's startling talent and efficiency.

What about all the features that were pulled from Vista, leaving it currently as a mere shell of what we were promised in 2003???

But of course, you've got a couple of sound clips that had to be perfected for 18 months. ROFL.
#22.1 GEIST on 12 Nov 2006 - 02:53
Dude, it's not like the entire team of Vista developers was involved in making these sounds. You know, they have dedicated teams for different parts of the OS. Should the "sound team" (or whatever that is called) have sat on their bottoms all that time?
#22.2 dhitb on 12 Nov 2006 - 04:47
Don't forget the anti-aliased cursors OMFG!
#23 +Shadrack on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:30
I like the new sound. It might be just because it is different though.

Umm...as for 18 months.... i doubt it took they guy 18 months to produce the sound. There was probably a lot of back and forth nit picking by microsoft. I wonder how many sounds they went through before they landed on that one.
#24 +SwitchBlade on 11 Nov 2006 - 15:31
I can fart out better sounds than the ones vista comes with.
#25 +xan K on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:13
18 months!!! anyone with good music knowledge and soundforge running would do this in less than an hour. and I agree, way too sharp and with no body.
(2 replies) #26 Weasel on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:13
Here's a comparison of more of the sounds:

http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=3479...8b-ff2b71d38115
#26.1 excalpius on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:44
Great link! Thanks.

I like all the replacement sounds, just not the startup and shutdown ones.

And yes, the Brian Eno Windows 95 startup remains the best, as this one for Vista is quite uninspired. So, yet another (minor) reason NOT to be excited about Vista. Sigh.
#26.2 Fourjays on 12 Nov 2006 - 18:26
Quote - Weasel said @ #26
Here's a comparison of more of the sounds:

http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=3479...8b-ff2b71d38115


Thanks for the link. For the majority of them, they've just made them quieter. You might as well have no sound at all. I'll definitely be using the XP ones on Vista, when I eventually have to get it.

I was really looking forward to Vista a year or so ago. Now everytime I read some news about it, I get more and more disappointed.

Roll on Vienna (in the hope that it looks better, sounds better and has all the really good features we were promised for Vista).
#27 +Lt-DavidW on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:17
I'll do I suppose.
#28 yudi_lks on 11 Nov 2006 - 16:21
OMG 18 months??? That's waste of money
#29 Cyranthus on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:08
i seriously dont understand how this took 18 damn months to do... i could do that in a day... or less..

and dude, that guy has a horrible lisp... either that or hes a flaming homo.
(1 reply) #30 Doli on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:18
I think they should go with the A-Team opening song for the start up sond haha

Does vista have that first time installed stuff like in XP (setting up your name, the wizard, ect...), for that they should use Fort Minor - Where'd You Go instrumental
#30.1 LTD on 11 Nov 2006 - 18:41
Agreed . . . . . . I love it when a plan comes together. ;-)
#31 srwal on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:20
I prefer the ones from the Pre-RTM builds...they sound much nicer
(1 reply) #32 teejaydm on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:31
I like it better, sounds softer than XP.
#32.1 saiz66 on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:49
I agree. I like this sound.
(8 replies) #33 Lasker on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:53
I can't believe they have to spent 18 months for just 4 seconds sound, are they retards? I guess so
#33.1 ziadoz on 11 Nov 2006 - 17:57
Billions of people are going to listen to these 4 seconds of sound thousands of times a year. Its best they get it right.
#33.2 Weasel on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:17
Quote - ziadoz said @ #33.1
Billions of people are going to listen to these 4 seconds of sound thousands of times a year. Its best they get it right.


If you think there are billions of computer users in the world, you are seriously misinformed.
#33.3 badazzEVO8 on 11 Nov 2006 - 23:36
Quote - Weasel said @ #33.2


If you think there are billions of computer users in the world, you are seriously misinformed.


if you dont think there are, you are a moron
#33.4 ziadoz on 11 Nov 2006 - 23:56
@weasel

There are billions of computer users in the world, so I guess its you who is misinformed.
#33.5 Weasel on 12 Nov 2006 - 12:26
Quote - ziadoz said @ #33.4
@weasel

There are billions of computer users in the world, so I guess its you who is misinformed.


The actual number is pegged at about 600 million:

http://news.com.com/A+billion+PC+users+on+..._3-5290988.html
#33.6 em_te on 13 Nov 2006 - 05:03
Quote - Weasel said @ #33.5
Quote - ziadoz said @ #33.4
@weasel
There are billions of computer users in the world, so I guess its you who is misinformed.

The actual number is pegged at about 600 million:

He said computers, not PCs. And virtually everything with moving parts is a computer. Remember the first computer was made from a peanut shell by a black man.
#33.7 badazzEVO8 on 13 Nov 2006 - 05:24
Quote - em_te said @ #33.6
Quote - Weasel said @ #33.5
Quote - ziadoz said @ #33.4
@weasel
There are billions of computer users in the world, so I guess its you who is misinformed.

The actual number is pegged at about 600 million:

He said computers, not PCs. And virtually everything with moving parts is a computer. Remember the first computer was made from a peanut shell by a black man.



in the words of you computer geeks, PWNED

lol
#33.8 freeeekyyy on 13 Nov 2006 - 07:38
Quote - em_te said @ #33.6
Quote - Weasel said @ #33.5
Quote - ziadoz said @ #33.4
@weasel
There are billions of computer users in the world, so I guess its you who is misinformed.

The actual number is pegged at about 600 million:

He said computers, not PCs. And virtually everything with moving parts is a computer. Remember the first computer was made from a peanut shell by a black man.



What did it compute? Whether to fall on its open or closed ends? Don't be ridiculous...
#34 Pimpster on 11 Nov 2006 - 18:29
if you've listened to all the sounds, you'll see that they actually got the job done. the sounds are less jarring than the xp sounds which are very percussive, and have a lot of kick esp if you have more bass than just regular ****ty pc speakers. its nice to have something thats more in the background.
#35 So Scene on 11 Nov 2006 - 18:30
Those are deep. I like it though, I think the sounds are designed for surround sound setups, but the setting can be changed in Vista right? To stereo? And they'll be louder.
#36 LTD on 11 Nov 2006 - 18:42
In all fairness, the sounds *are* nice. A little more soothing, less jarring.
#37 bucko on 11 Nov 2006 - 18:43
I'm surprised this feature didn't get dropped as well.
#38 lazieye on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:10
Come on people....now we know why Vista is so expensive...MS got stiffed on the soundtracks by fripp for 18 months of diddley squat and had to get their money back somehow.
lol... my 9 year old could have come up with better on her flute...hell, I'll volunteer to do the next MS os sounds, sounds like easy money.
#39 Googintosh on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:22
What a complete waste of money. I'm going to be expecting to hear the voice of God when I boot Vista for the first time and the startup sound begins.
(3 replies) #40 Turbonium on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:23
The shutdown sound is so ****ty. The initial ding is good, but it needs an immediate, lower keyed ding after it, to indicate shutdown.
#40.1 excalpius on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:43
agreed
#40.2 redwhorns on 11 Nov 2006 - 20:38
i agree. the shutdown sound should be shorter.
#40.3 Turbonium on 12 Nov 2006 - 05:59
Quote - redwhorns said @ #40.2
i agree. the shutdown sound should be shorter.

I'm pretty sure the initial ding is all there is to it. The stuff after is just for dramatic effect at the end of the news (stupid).
#41 excalpius on 11 Nov 2006 - 19:42
the creative labs THUNDER.wav is still the best shutdown wound (or startup, for that matter), imho.
#42 +saxondale. on 11 Nov 2006 - 20:18
I actually like the sounds, a lot more airy feeling to them
#43 Gism0 on 11 Nov 2006 - 20:53
These are great
#44 Exosphere on 11 Nov 2006 - 21:29
Sounds are now offline
(MS, is that you????)

Anyone got a cache copy?


Edit: Ah, OK, my IE7 was blocking it for some bizzare reason. IE6 worked AOK for me.

Last edited by Exosphere on 11 Nov 2006 - 21:35
#45 +Garnett on 11 Nov 2006 - 23:03
Hmmmm that was a long time to make that sound... 18 months and countless hours... i wonder how many of them months achually was used developing the sound...

[fanboy]Ever heard of a Mac for sound?[/fanboy]


Garnett
#46 Sniper101 on 11 Nov 2006 - 23:34
^^rofl agreed
#47 Croquant on 12 Nov 2006 - 00:31
Who cares? If you don't like it you can just go back to the old XP or 98 or 95 sounds or install your own custom sounds.
(2 replies) #48 LTD on 12 Nov 2006 - 00:59
The issue really isn't that MS spent time refining the sounds. That's alright. In fact, it's good that MS didn't neglect this little detail. The competition is *excellent* when it comes to details, as we all know. It's good to see MS following suit.

But if you trace the long course of Vista development, from 2003 and even before that, right up to the present, you'll see that in this context MS' admission that it took 18 months to perfect system sound effects is downright insulting. The very features that have been dropped from Vista (formerly the great Longhorn) were the precise elements that would have made Vista great among all others, not just a significant improvement over XP.

As a former Windows user and staunch devotee of WindowsXP, I was blown away by Longhorn when I finally got around to seeing the videos and marketing bric-a-brac that announced its shortlived existence. Now, after all these years, after all of the mismanagement at MS, after all the announcements of pulled features (which in the end made me switch back to Apple), tech-savvy users are told with inexplicable enthusiasm that 18 months were spent perfecting sounds, rather than figuring out ways to implement the ever-important feature sets that would make the competition green with envy.

Microsoft is (and has been for years) sitting on the laurels of its licensing victories of yore. This will likely never mean the loss of profits - legacy support and an already massive user base that has an MS-dependency has ensured continued revenue. But it does mean that that a leaner, hungrier rival can easily put out sometinhg better, faster, prettier, and easier to use, in far less time without worry that its bigger competition will outdo it.
#48.1 Josrh on 12 Nov 2006 - 04:02
Gosh that is a lot of words.

I am pretty sure the person/people who made the sounds aren't the same as the people who were writing code.