MP3 Player owners are "thieves", according to Universal Music CEO, Doug Morris. Morris was discussing Microsoft's recent attempt to buy its way into the music industry by paying a $1 per unit royalty on Zune players sold.
The music boss revealed that he had insisted on such a royalty in order to include Universal's music catalogue on the Zune marketplace. "These devices are just repositories for stolen music, and they all know it," Morris said. "It's time to get paid for it," he added, according to Billboard.
News source: Macworld UK
The music boss revealed that he had insisted on such a royalty in order to include Universal's music catalogue on the Zune marketplace. "These devices are just repositories for stolen music, and they all know it," Morris said. "It's time to get paid for it," he added, according to Billboard.
News source: Macworld UK
11,000? Say 100 CDs at 10 tracks each, that's 1000. So, he bought 10,000 tracks online at, what, 99 cents each? He paid $10K to some online service to download tracks?
(Meanwhile, I paid <$100 to Giganews to download 96,000 MP3s)
11,000? Say 100 CDs at 10 tracks each, that's 1000. So, he bought 10,000 tracks online at, what, 99 cents each? He paid $10K to some online service to download tracks?
(Meanwhile, I paid <$100 to Giganews to download 96,000 MP3s)
You realize there's something like "free music"?
10,000 tracks worth? That's any good?
I have neigh on £250,000 worth of music.
Some of us pay retail, some of us browse boot markets/flea markets, some of us have their fathers and his fathers collections.
I can goto music shops in Soho and pick up albums (vinyls) cd's, singles etc for as little as 10 pence.
So adding up all my singles, vinyl & cassete tapes must be touching £250,000 worth, I have a whole room full of the stuff.
80 years worth.
Last cd purchased was Chapterhouse from amazon (2 days ago) I wanted it on cd as I have it on cassette and I didn't want to waste a good first edition cassete.
So nuh.
I have neigh on £250,000 worth of music.
Some of us pay retail, some of us browse boot markets/flea markets, some of us have their fathers and his fathers collections.
I can goto music shops in Soho and pick up albums (vinyls) cd's, singles etc for as little as 10 pence.
So adding up all my singles, vinyl & cassete tapes must be touching £250,000 worth, I have a whole room full of the stuff.
80 years worth.
Last cd purchased was Chapterhouse from amazon (2 days ago) I wanted it on cd as I have it on cassette and I didn't want to waste a good first edition cassete.
So nuh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
^^This!
I've calmed down a bit since my student days, but there were times I'd rather buy a new CD than eat. Is this mainly a UK affliction?
I have well over 1,000 CDs. Started getting them back in 88, then got a majority of them when I DJ'd at an industrial club from 93-96.
I definitely don't buy music like I used to.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
^^This!
I've calmed down a bit since my student days, but there were times I'd rather buy a new CD than eat. Is this mainly a UK affliction?
Maybe you prefer to take drugs, smoke and drink, I prefer to spend my money on music, I can't play an instrument, I doubt I can sing, however I like to hear others perform, so I buy their music if I like it.
I know personally a music critic that gets 300 cd's to him per month to listen to and write comments in a magazine he works for.
Not all cd's cost an arm and a leg.
Most I ever paid was £18.99 for a U2 CD, however I have a single a first release worth £400, no big deal.
I have a lot of Pink Floyd first issue music also, The Who, Police, Rod Stewart all my fathers, which is worth a lot of money, I won't sell them.
I know of people with bigger collections than me.
I am small time compared to them.
10,000 tracks worth? That's any good?
Define good.
Is it the pap that the RIAA feeds you?
You know you don't have to pay high prices for used CDs right? I can go to the local used music store and fine a bunch of CDs that cost anywhere from $1.00 to $5.00. At prices like that it's not hard to believe somebody would have purchased 1,000 CDs in a life time. Also as somebody already stated you can inherit music from other family members such as your father, mother, sister, or brother.
Anyways I have a friend who is really into music and I don't doubt he has at least 500 CDs and he's only 23, give him another 23 years I'm sure he will have over 1,000.
what's hard to believe about it? I've been buying cd's for a long, long time and have close to 1000 myself.
thats right! who are the real thieves here!?
This is what it comes down to. Don't you get paid enough you jackass? How is it that people are stealing this music yet they are buying it for $1 through places like itunes or the Zune marketplace, oh yeah because if this guy had control he would charge $5 per song.
The older you grow the more you realize that every human being is a hypocrite and criminal to an extent.
its just greed.
/sarcasm
Most people think that musicians make their money from royalties – what a joke that is, the only money an artists sees is in the event of them being paid a figure to sign a contract deal – from then on the only other money they will make is from touring.
Royalties are conveniently eaten up by the record companies to cover the costs of creating the CD, from the royalties they will take out marketing costs/ recording time costs and so on.
To me the recording companies are nothing more than a marketing company – don’t get me wrong most artists would not see the light of day if not for the record companies.
This is where the paradox comes in - music artists need the backing of their record company to be recognised – once this has happens then they can tour and earn a living – if you download music – you are not necessarily hurting the artist as they are not getting money from the CD anyway – but without the record company making a CD then they cannot be noticed.
The day of the record companies having total control of the management of music is fast coming to an end – in order to survive they need to look at other models to run their business by. What they are most afraid of is if the music artists find a new way to get recognised without using them – as some bands have already started to do. This is what they are really afraid of - that the internet will make them redundant.
How many times recently have you heard a big label, major brand name or well know name jump on the band wagon of offering Music/TV/Film downloads and talking it up like they are offering something innovative and brilliant. Realistically the service they are offering has been done to death years earlier by the "geeks" of the internet and sold on at a *huge* profit to a big company who pioneered it to Joe Public at the right time. Or at least a time earlier than now.
All of the music on my iPod is legal for heavens sake! So fed up with these guys shouting their mouths off.. arrrgghh!!
If they had their way we'd have to pay for the same music over and over again as they seem totally unaware of Fair Use and consumer rights!
next step, music biz takes over the hearing aid industry and implements drm
Me, I got an assload of bootleg MP3s, tons from newsgroups - easily 100x, no 1000x that that I could have ripped from the CDs I actually own. I haven't bought a CD since, what, the late 90s. Why should I? Every single track I could ever buy (and more) is available via bittorrent, P2P and newgroups + friends. Why do people feel the need to lie about it?
The same guys who are downloading MP3s are the guys who hand me a DVD-R with "Incredibles" scribbled on it in marker. The ones with the unlimited giganews accounts. Tell me, can you give me a reason to have a giganews account to read text messages? I don't konw of an ISP that doesn't give you, what, a gig a month to download for free. Can you read more than a gig of text messages? Oh. What? You say you are downloading binaries from the newsgroups? Hmm... tell me... what legal content is up there? Sure, there is some but lets take an honest look at things... lets see mp3 and warez make up 95% of all the content in newsgroups.
People, don't lie about it... bitch about the prices they charge for CDs and concerts, sure. Bitch about poor quality "special edition" DVDs and reissues. I'm there with ya. But to pretend you don't download MP3s and MPEGs cause you won't pay for it? Oh puhlease!
And, yes, I DID rip the CDs I own too. Ripped them to lossless WMAs (not flac or ape, so that I can actually play them on portable players, duh!
But it would suck if these comments were all untrue.
Mostly downloaded tracks on my player.
However, I have actually bought more CDs over the last few years than ever, thanks in part to lovely 'illegal' downloading.
I own ZERO pirated songs. If I rip them from my legally purchased CD's and transfer them to my Zune or other MP3 player it's my right to and I don't owe anyone any additional money for it.
Sure, for some people their media player is a collection of stolen music. But making the assumption that we're all thieves is ignorant, incredibly selfish, and just plain wrong.
In Canada, we already have to pay levies on blank media which is also stupid because how many CDs do people buy to backup their own data or move files around? Well, for each CD a certain amount of money goes back to Canadian artists. So, if I burn a backup CD, Shania Twain gets money. Unreal.
What's worse is, for those who use blank media to pirate software, the levi's still go to artists, not to software companies.
I say its time for the industry to stop abusing it's law-abiding customers. You're giving us (or me at least) less and less reason to be law-abiding. Why shoudl I be on your side or RIAA's side when you're so abusive to me?
Get ready for a back-lash.
On the bright side, Universal only sign up crappy pop queens, so they dont need to worry about me stealing their no-talent commercially manufactured "music".
You may feel better about yourself, but hey we're the ones with the hundreds of dollars still in our pockets.
That exec is pretty much right on the money, and there's nothing he can do about it
You may feel better about yourself, but hey we're the ones with the hundreds of dollars still in our pockets.
That exec is pretty much right on the money, and there's nothing he can do about it
You do realize if no one bought music.. there wouldn't be any music... so you may want to thank the people who buy msuic.
You may feel better about yourself, but hey we're the ones with the hundreds of dollars still in our pockets.
That exec is pretty much right on the money, and there's nothing he can do about it
You do realize if no one bought music.. there wouldn't be any music... so you may want to thank the people who buy msuic.
I'm not too worried.
But there's no point in getting all offended by this guy, frankly, it's the truth for the most part. If an mp3 player came out that only played licensed drm music would it sell?
You may feel better about yourself, but hey we're the ones with the hundreds of dollars still in our pockets.
That exec is pretty much right on the money, and there's nothing he can do about it
You do realize if no one bought music.. there wouldn't be any music... so you may want to thank the people who buy msuic.
Don't let the music die!!!!!!!
You realize some people think commerce corrupts art?
You may feel better about yourself, but hey we're the ones with the hundreds of dollars still in our pockets.
That exec is pretty much right on the money, and there's nothing he can do about it
You do realize if no one bought music.. there wouldn't be any music... so you may want to thank the people who buy msuic.
Music wouldn't stop if people didn't buy it. There's so much high-quality free music available on the internet these days. That's the wonderful thing about technology. With all of the different kinds of hardware and software available for audio production, an artist doesn't have to get "signed" anymore. He or she can self-produce and self-publish works on the internet.
Some of us artists do believe that music should be free.
I see you've bought into the RIAA's BS. For thousands of years, there was music before there ever was a recording industry. It is only in the last 100 years or so that people have thought of music as a way to make a living (the occasional composer not included).
Royalties are conveniently eaten up by the record companies to cover the costs of creating the CD, from the royalties they will take out marketing costs/ recording time costs and so on.
And yes my mp3 player does have some content ripped off cds but a majority is not.
Anyway what are the bettings morris has never robbed or bought something robbed in his life?
BTW if $1 goes to that tw*t don't by a Zune.
Peace right out.
And a lot of people lie and say all 200gb of music in their pcs are legal or just dont like to admit they downloaded...
The fact is that the time has changed, the industry of music need to find other ways to make money, selling a cd with 10 musics today is a joke.
You're only allowed to download songs by artists signed to Universal.
I guess bank robberies, looting, and identity theft is ok too!
Next time, check your facts before you open your mouth.
I guess bank robberies, looting, and identity theft is ok too!
Next time, check your facts before you open your mouth.
shut up, what an ignorant comment that is, and its totally different so you can justify it you noob!
There is a difference, money cannot be replicated easily, but data can so its just copyright control there idiot! GET your facts straight!
'casue they are.
I say we all should file a class action law suit against him for defamation of character.
http://www.dancingwithlawyers.com/freeinfo/libel.shtml
Lets see, spend a couple of hours looking for tracks all over P2P networks to get a complete album...or log into iTMS and have my album in about 10 minutes.
But you're right, if I see an album that sounds good on iTunes, I'm likely to just buy it on the spot.
he could go to RIAA and ask for his money. wouldn't it be wonderful if RIAA has to pay back all the people it took money from? heh.....
he could go to RIAA and ask for his money. wouldn't it be wonderful if RIAA has to pay back all the people it took money from? heh.....
owned
and also regular audio cd's should NEVER cost more than $12.99 (MAX) for a regular audio cd.... anything over that i consider expensive especially when the artist dont even see much if any of that money... cause i could give two f***s less about the greedy record execs like the guy who made the comment in the topic.
ill be honest ... it's been a while since i actually bought a music cd i think it was like 2003-2004ish... but the last time i actually bought quite a few music cd's was like in 1998-1999... so basically it's been since like 1998ish since i actually bought several cd's. (basically since those days though there aint been that much "good music" thats worth buying, so thats probably alot of the reason i aint bought many music cd's reguardless if u pirate or not)
plus im probably in the minority on this comment... cause im pretty picky on what i will "go out of my way to listen to" ... so in recent times there aint been much music thats been worth buying... and the ones i do actually like , well... lets just say i got em in a shady sorta way
but generally speaking like i mentioned above... i dont listen to a huge variety of music like alot of people on here probably do.... so me buying albums in general (reguardless if it's legal or not) wont really happen very often cause there aint much music to me thats "worth" buying/going out of my way to listen to .... theres some but not much.
so u tell me whats more appealing to u.... free mp3's without DRM or any limitations OR crap like apple's itunes with DRM and limits on it's use PLUS u gotta buy that crap? (plus not to mention i heard it's sound quality aint all that great either) ... i dont even need to answer this one
i'd pay more often if songs didn't have them because quite honestly almost every song on the internets for sale has an mp3 equilivant on p2p networks
i'd pay more often if songs didn't have them because quite honestly almost every song on the internets for sale has an mp3 equilivant on p2p networks
don't know if it will be recognized here for its potential as a fair-use tool and not a piracy tool, but there exists a program which can free iTunes songs from their DRM. I buy songs from iTunes, but I don't own an iPod. How can I then enjoy my music on my other MP3 player? www.hymn-project.org
Helped me loads.
You sound like that ignorant guy who sued Apple because he couldn't play the songs he bought from iTunes on other players besides the iPod. It's just plain stupid to buy from a store KNOWING AHEAD OF TIME that the music won't work on other players. I'm not dumb enough to buy songs from the Zune store and bitch about it because they won't work on my iPod.
And guess what? If your player doesn't support AAC, then I can assume that you are converting from one lossy format to another, so you are getting a poor quality file. Brilliant idea there.
As in Sony BMG, one of the largest music companys. How can they argue thats its naughty if they are stealing both ends of the wallet?
I dont get to the music shops much, i will normally download an album, then when im there, i buy in bulk and catch up.
Also, this is such a 1990's attitude. Surely ALL recording companies (major, small or indpendant) realise that audio purchases and storage will be completely digital within a decade or so!?
I do download music, but if they're anything I like or listen to over and over I'd buy the cds to properly own them (so I never buy tracks online, I like owning the cd with a booklet), I'm probably just trying to justify myself but I really don't think what I'm doing is the same as stealing, downloading jpgs of art pieces isn't the same as stealing a painting that's a billion dollars.
I'm glad I'm not a thief since I don't own an MP3 player...
'Suck Balls'
haha
Those "poor starving artists" who hate music pirates and thieves so much ought to take a long look at who is representing them, before they come to places like this and whine too hard or use those crappy "so if i took something you worked on for years and gave it away for nothing, would that be ok?" comparisons...my sympathy levels have a habit of shutting down when they let douchebags like this CEO fight their battles for them in such utterly moronic ways.
Those "poor starving artists" who hate music pirates and thieves so much ought to take a long look at who is representing them, before they come to places like this and whine too hard or use those crappy "so if i took something you worked on for years and gave it away for nothing, would that be ok?" comparisons...my sympathy levels have a habit of shutting down when they let douchebags like this CEO fight their battles for them in such utterly moronic ways.
i realized this about 2 years ago, which is when i stopped buying. they're all a$$holes just like this guy
I'm not denying that he has a bit of a point, but he's being to extreme to conclude that everyone that owns an MP3 player is a music pirate. That appears to be what he is suggesting. I wonder how long before Joe Blogs/John Doe decides to sue him for branding them a thief when they could prove they are not.
So like I was considering boycotting the RIAA for a while, but now I'm really gonna do it. I'm already labeled as a theif so why even bother buying the music?
So like I was considering boycotting the RIAA for a while, but now I'm really gonna do it. I'm already labeled as a theif so why even bother buying the music?
scroll back up to post #41. RIAA may soon be in for the time of their lives.
downloading music should be free and bands could earn their money from royalties and playing live.
He is terrified that if we realised this he would be out of a job.
BTW I am an MP3 player owner and I resent the allegation that I am a thief.
MOrris the torris!!! WOOT!!! still loving my mp3 player. **** off
but then again the average joe dont care about how they get there music either... if they can get it free u can bet "most" (as in majority) people will get it for free
sorry... but I really can't be bothered to think of some original rebuttle to this utter drivel...... I admit I have a few illigal songs.... BUT thats becasue I can't get them LEGALLY!!... I have over 340 cd's... all 100 percent legal.... so now I use an ipod.. I'm a thief ?
would someone shove an ipod up his ass!!!!!!.. he's allready an ass bandit!
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