Microsoft Windows Vista is now on MSDN & Connect
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#1 Posted by +Manno on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:33
- Oh, where, oh where could the torrent be. Oh where could it be!
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#1.1 Posted by J.A.X on 13 Dec 2006 - 13:35
- The only difference between billGates version and MSDN is that at file offset 0x4E932855for BillGates, the bytes are 0xFD while it is 0xFF for the MSDN version. So if could be just a packing error. If u change the bytes, u get the same hash as the msdn version.
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#2 Posted by Co_Co on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:36
- I don't have it yet
but then again I'm in Canada if that matters at all. I submitted some bugs..maybe they were already validated/fixed. -
#2.1 Posted by tx83 on 17 Nov 2006 - 20:53
- It is Microsoft. I submitted *critical* bug report for Visual Studio 2005 at launch time, and their answer was that the bug was already fixed but it will be released in the next Service Pack of Visual Studio. This service pack is still not out yet. (If it takes the same time to put the service pack out as the one for 2003, we still have 2 years to wait).
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#3 Posted by JiggyTom on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:38
- I installed the AIO from WinBeta (running the 30 day trial currently) and I wonder is there is a difference between the two versions? How could one tell? I don't think that because there was a hash mismatch means that the versions are different because even Microsoft admitted that the BillGates version would become obsolete (meaning its probably legit if they mentioned it). Any way to tell the exact build numbers? If someone installs this one, please post your build numbert
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#3.1 Posted by Neobond on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:49
- There is a difference as you can see from the hash. I'm glad I waited..
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#3.2 Posted by Gobelet on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:51
- Quote - Neobond said @ #3.1There is a difference as you can see from the hash. I'm glad I waited..There was a difference too between XP Retail and XP MSDN. It doesn't mean anything.
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#3.3 Posted by Statikk on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:30
- My trust as usual, has been placed in the good folks from WinBeta.
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#3.4 Posted by Joni_78 on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:38
- First imake that leaked almost couple of weeks ago into certain FTP servers is identical to this MSDN version. Billgates rip was made from that, they did something to migcore.dll and install.wim so the CRC is different. And again WinBeta release is identical to MSDN version. So only Billgates was bad.
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#3.5 Posted by J.A.X on 13 Dec 2006 - 13:35
- The only difference between billGates version and MSDN is that at file offset 0x4E932855for BillGates, the bytes are 0xFD while it is 0xFF for the MSDN version. So if could be just a packing error. If u change the bytes, u get the same hash as the msdn version.
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#4 Posted by zivan56 on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:39
- I got a choice in connect to download either buisiness or ultimate (ultimate download requires you to have a DVD drive)
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#4.1 Posted by +guylaroche on 17 Nov 2006 - 03:06
- I thought they all needed DVD-ROM drives?
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#4.2 Posted by Xerxes on 19 Nov 2006 - 05:27
- Quote - guylaroche said @ #4.1I thought they all needed DVD-ROM drives?
They do, all versions of Vista are exactly the same far as I understand, all your really paying for (or in this case been given) is a serial key that tells the installer which parts of Vista to install. This makes it much easier for MS to patch Windows as there is technically just one version of it and it makes upgrading easier as well, e.g. if you buy Vista Home and decide to upgrade to Vista Ultimate you just purchase an Ultimate upgrade key from MS then just update your current key and throw in your Vista DVD and your install will be upgraded for you. (I think that is how it works?)
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#5 Posted by gregor on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:50
- sweet! downloading it!
one question though,.. which key to use? "5342 and Up Ultimate"? because,.. if i request new key, there is no option to get a key for Final Ultimate version :$ -
#5.1 Posted by Daedalus on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:52
- The message on Connect said keys should be available within a week... you'll have to install without for now.
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#5.2 Posted by +primortal on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:30
- ms will email you the key to use with the RTM on connect.
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#6 Posted by JiggyTom on 16 Nov 2006 - 23:53
- I have build number 6.0.6000.16386 . Wonder what this one is....
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#7 Posted by heywooood on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:00
- I login to connect and see nothing but the beta builds ( I am in Canada but I don't think that matters? ).
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#7.1 Posted by Ady831 on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:09
- I don't see anything but the BETA builds too and I'm from the US. I guess there are just some that get it.
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#7.2 Posted by +primortal on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:29
- You have to get an email from MS that you fill out a questionaire on which version (business ultimate) you want.
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#8 Posted by Andareed on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:01
- The latest TAP build (6000.16386) matches the hashes, so no need to download again if you have access to these.
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#10 Posted by JiggyTom on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:14
- Seems as if its the same one....I guess there is no difference. Yey, no reinstall required.
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#11 Posted by ziggie216 on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:15
- damn, going to take a week before they would send me the key.. wait.. i'm confused... on connect I see
Title Windows Vista Final English DVD Images (x86 and x64)
Release Date 11/15/2006
Size 6,175.14 MB
Version 6.0
Category Build
Milestone RTM
Description
Final media images for Windows Vista English DVD's
vista_6000.16386.061101-2205_x86fre_client-LRMCFRE_EN_DVD.iso
CRC Value: 0xC11363AA
vista_6000.16386.061101-2205_x64fre_client-LRMCxFRE_EN_DVD.iso
CRC Value: 0xCE211A58
is this the same version on MSDN?
btw time limit still apply to this one?
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#12 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:20
- [size=3][color=#000099]Hello, where will i see this on the connect page, and would i have had to participate in a specific program?
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#13 Posted by Chimera on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:22
- The email I got specifically says that only people who submitted at least one bug will get the free copy.
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#15 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:25
- So if i am able to get this free copy, will i get an email from microsoft or will it just appear on the connect site.
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#16 Posted by Obi_Yoann on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:26
- Vista and office 2007 are also available to technet plus subscribers!
Downloading atm...
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#17 Posted by AthleticTrainer1981 on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:36
- This is so nice of them. And to think I just got done installing 5744 on my machine.
Can't wait to do this tonight. Plus my cable internet ISP just upped my speed to 10mbps.....my download should be insane.
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#18 Posted by chaosblade on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:36
- Someone let me know if im wrong here - Microsoft gave away a full, free, non-time limited copy to active beta testers?
Because if thats true, kudos to MS. Thats the right way to reward people who helped get Vista on track. -
#18.1 Posted by Chimera on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:41
- Yep, you got it right. Full, licensed copy of Vista Ultimate or Business. Great to see Microsoft rewarding people this way.
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#18.2 Posted by chaosblade on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:45
- just saw the other article, heh.
Indeed, It's a great decision by MS.
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#19 Posted by
slimy on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:46
- I owe my gratitude to Neowin for this one. If I wasn't a member, I would never got the chance to join the beta and get a free copy of Ultimate!
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#20 Posted by Napalm Frog on 17 Nov 2006 - 00:55
- Sweet, according to the staff running the MSDNAA on our campus (Carleton University), Vista will be up in the next two weeks. The main issue is the 3GB size of the ISO or something.
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#21 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:01
- Hello. Could anyone please give me the inviation ID so i could download a copy of vista. Thank You.
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#21.1 Posted by figgy123 on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:24
- Quote - dahuk said @ #21Hello. Could anyone please give me the inviation ID so i could download a copy of vista. Thank You.
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#21.2 Posted by Xerxes on 19 Nov 2006 - 05:39
- Quote - dahuk said @ #21Hello. Could anyone please give me the inviation ID so i could download a copy of vista. Thank You.
lol it doesn't work that way, mate. You have to of been an official MS (Vista) BETA tester and submitted at least 1 bug report. Unless you have done that (which seems doubtful) the only way your getting Vista is waiting till 2007 like the rest of us. The only other legal way of getting a free copy of Vista is either been an MSDN subscriber or if your a student at a University that is a MSDNAA member.
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#22 Posted by sweethip on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:31
- guys you can obtain a key for ultimate and Home Premium, just request it..well at least under my MSDN account...what are other seeing on MSDN
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#23 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:32
- Just a little bit...
Should i have received an email by now if i was going to get the free vista.
Location, UK
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#24 Posted by mikejd1 on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:55
- We go em all!!!!! downloading now, only 75k a Second,s ugh
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#25 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 01:58
- I want to download it didnt get an email ... can anyone help me out pls.
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#27 Posted by dahuk on 17 Nov 2006 - 02:12
- Maybe they are sending them out at different times so they dont kill the servers.
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#29 Posted by bob0r on 17 Nov 2006 - 02:38
- 1000mbit .nl download speed after 10 minutes:
#27, i think it didn't go so well
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#29.1 Posted by Peter McGrath on 17 Nov 2006 - 06:50
looks ok here
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#30 Posted by HenryC on 17 Nov 2006 - 02:39
- MSDN Servers Crash! Boom! BANG!
20:30 CST
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#30.1 Posted by Packman on 17 Nov 2006 - 03:31
- The MSDN web servers are slow, however, once I actually started downloading, my line has been maxed out (~500kB)
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#31 Posted by hardgiant on 17 Nov 2006 - 03:57
- The Winbeta one is untouched the BILL GATES one is nuked.
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#32 Posted by Xenon on 17 Nov 2006 - 04:49
- I didnt get a email! And I did submit 2 bugs. Screwed again by MS.
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#33 Posted by Alphanumeric on 17 Nov 2006 - 05:06
- Just purchased a new 320gig drive and will installing Vista tonight. Can't wait.
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#34 Posted by war on 17 Nov 2006 - 05:16
- Winbeta and Bill gates are not the final code. That is the difference. One last bug had to be fixed before releasing on MSDN and Connect. Thats why it was delayed a week.
And of course the Bill Gates version and MSDN dont have the same hash? Even if it where real. Why?
Because they are two different builds!!!!!! Bill Gates version is a Windows Vista Ultimate and MSDN is Windows Vista Enterprise Edition build. So of course they are different. But that does not matter since both WinBeta and the Bill Gates version is not the final code.....
So those of you using either version I highly recommend you uninstall right now and install either the build from microsoft connect or MSDN. Or just wait a few hours for both to make their way around most P2P and torrents sites. Takes awhile to upload....
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#34.1 Posted by rseiler on 17 Nov 2006 - 08:21
- Quote - war said @ #34Winbeta and Bill gates are not the final code. That is the difference. One last bug had to be fixed before releasing on MSDN and Connect. Thats why it was delayed a week.
Sorry, those last bugs were quashed by the end of October. 6000.16386.061101-2205 is the final version number -- look at the numbers closely. It went into escrow and was not touched again after Nov 1....
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#35 Posted by DJ Woody on 17 Nov 2006 - 06:38
- well is the build number differant not that it matters i guess/
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#36 Posted by ManMountain on 17 Nov 2006 - 06:47
- The reason the WinBeta release differs is that it is a custom, hand-made AllInOne job of attempting to mesh x86 / x64 builds onto the same DVD. Rumour has it that the x86 / x64 ISO images used to create the AIO are the same as those on MSDN now.
Z:FilesMSDNOperating_SystemsWindows_vistax86fre>fciv.exe vista_6000.16386.061101-2205_x86fre_client-lrmcfre_en_dvd.iso
// File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
//
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// File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
//
Z:FilesMSDNOperating_SystemsWindows_vistax86fre>fciv.exe -sha1 vista_6000.16386.061101-2205_x86fre_client-lrmcfre_en_dvd.iso
b71e04564ca22e4d9928e59298eff87cf62b382b vista_6000.16386.061101-2205_x86fre_client-lrmcfre_en_dvd.iso
Whilst the WinBeta "version" does seem to be sourced from finalised code, personally, for a primary OS, I'd prefer to have a "legit" ISO from MS thanks
Last edited by ManMountain on 17 Nov 2006 - 07:02
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#37 Posted by devHead on 17 Nov 2006 - 07:23
- That's the beauty of living in Bulgaria! It's midnight or earlier in the states, and I'm downloading at a pretty good speed!
...and away we go!
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#38 Posted by mleko on 17 Nov 2006 - 08:19
- does vista has bootscreen logo? during boot?
becouse I see only progressbar and label 'Microsoft Corporation"
the same - when i`m hibernating my computer - there is only black screen and nothing else
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#39 Posted by +aniv on 17 Nov 2006 - 08:34
- Downloading at approx 1900KB/sec, however when I request keys through MSDN it throws up an error. I will try again later.Quote -
Application Error
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Error while requesting Product Keys. Please try again later or contact customer support.
Please try again later.
Thank you for your patience.
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#40 Posted by Gasuinas on 17 Nov 2006 - 08:41
- My Vista has no Bootscreen to... This is normal...???
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#41 Posted by bedrock on 17 Nov 2006 - 10:15
- Also getting:Quote -Keys for one or more products are unavailable to satisfy this request at this time. Please try again later or contact customer support.
Please try again later.
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#41.1 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 10:33
- It's the Ulitmate key problem. If you don't want ultimate, go to 'product keys' along the bar at the top and then select to generate all the keys for vista bar Ultimate and you'll get them.
You can install a product key up to 30 days after, so use the RC2 key and then change. I think that'll work, i'll try it later because I'm still only 56% down on the d/l!
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#42 Posted by MMaster23 on 17 Nov 2006 - 10:24
- guys ... thanks for some credit on those hashes :
yeah downloaded it last night and it's running great with the major exception of the IE icon on the desktop. or the lack of
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#43 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:01
- Yeeeeeeeeha...
I was able to download the DVD. But... I still have this freaky problem to retrieve a key for Vista Ultimate.
Does anyone knows when Microsoft will solve this problem? Or is a key for Vista Ultimate not available for MSDN subscribers?
Anyway, can I install Vista Home Premium and then later upgrade to Ultimate by just changing the product key (I don't know why, but this seems like a stupid question and I expect "no" as answer, but hey... who doesn't ask can't win, is it?)
GreetZ,
BuRn
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#44 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:12
- Clik,
I know. But the DVD contains all versions. It is the key that defines which version is installed. Anyone knows if, when no key is entered, all options of ultimate are available.
My problem is this : I installed the Vista Home Premium edition for testing some software. However, this edition can NOT join a domain, which is a major problem for me.
On the other hand, I can install the Business edition, but this one lacks the multimedia thingies which I need for testing. So.... (And I do not understand in the first place why a home premium edition is not able to join a domain. Weird way of thinking from microsoft...)
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#44.1 Posted by ralfs on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:27
- Quote - RealBuRn said @ #44Clik,
I know. But the DVD contains all versions. It is the key that defines which version is installed. Anyone knows if, when no key is entered, all options of ultimate are available.
My problem is this : I installed the Vista Home Premium edition for testing some software. However, this edition can NOT join a domain, which is a major problem for me.
On the other hand, I can install the Business edition, but this one lacks the multimedia thingies which I need for testing. So.... (And I do not understand in the first place why a home premium edition is not able to join a domain. Weird way of thinking from microsoft...)
GreetZ,
BuRn
Hm... maybe because home users don't have a Windows Server also at home to run Active Directory and domain.
Home is for small workgroups only and business is for domains.
If you want everything install Ultimate. If you don't have the key yet, just click next when asked for a key and select that you don't want to enter a key at that time. Then select that you want to install Ultimate.
This will work for 30 days. I'm sure that Microsoft will have fixed the issue with the Ultimate key by then. -
#44.2 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:34
- Quote - ralfs said @ #44.1Quote - RealBuRn said @ #44Clik,
I know. But the DVD contains all versions. It is the key that defines which version is installed. Anyone knows if, when no key is entered, all options of ultimate are available.
My problem is this : I installed the Vista Home Premium edition for testing some software. However, this edition can NOT join a domain, which is a major problem for me.
On the other hand, I can install the Business edition, but this one lacks the multimedia thingies which I need for testing. So.... (And I do not understand in the first place why a home premium edition is not able to join a domain. Weird way of thinking from microsoft...)
GreetZ,
BuRn
Hm... maybe because home users don't have a Windows Server also at home to run Active Directory and domain.
Home is for small workgroups only and business is for domains.
If you want everything install Ultimate. If you don't have the key yet, just click next when asked for a key and select that you don't want to enter a key at that time. Then select that you want to install Ultimate.
This will work for 30 days. I'm sure that Microsoft will have fixed the issue with the Ultimate key by then.
Sorry Burn, as is said above.. what I mean is, install it without the key and then you can pop it in once they've fixed the prob next week (I hope!
I'm in same boat as you with regards to testing and needing the AD option..
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#45 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:18
- I am going to reinstall (takes about 30 min) and I'll try without the product key. I've seen that on the DVD, there is some vile that says "InstallVistaUltimate". So it is there for sure.
I'll be back within an hour
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#46 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:30
- I got good news already : when entering no key, you got an option window in which you can enter the version you want to install...
Now my question is : will the key for the Ultimate version be available for all MSDN subscribers (minimum OS level)?
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#47 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 12:52
- Thanks for all the info guys...
I am a newbee on this forum. But I definitively did put it in my favs!
GreetZ,
BuRn
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#48 Posted by Rolaco on 17 Nov 2006 - 13:01
- I have a stupid question too!!! java script:emoticon('
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I've just downloaded the Vista DVD image from MSDN. Eventually (hopefully) I'll get the key for Ultimate or whatever version I'll want to install. Will this have to be activated? I told you I had a stupid question!!!
Thanks!
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#49 Posted by xxdesmus on 17 Nov 2006 - 13:36
- The ironic thing is that Neowin is vaguely encouraging warez now by giving everyone the name of the warez copy of Vista RTM. (in case they didn't already have it) Good thing you guys tell people exactly what to go search the torrent sites for, especially considering I get freakin warned for even implying I was USING the same copy you just mentioned above.
What a joke.
It would be helpful to everyone if you actually were consistent with what is and isn't considered warnable because I sure as heck don't have a clue.
I am sure you're going to go ahead and tell me how "this is different" because you're making a point, blah blah blah, but guess what? It's not. At all.
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#50 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 14:03
- Bah, I've lost my MSDN Connection at 90% of the download complete!!
I guess the US of A is awaking...
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#51 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 14:11
- Nah, I was downloading fine at a steady 150-200kbps and when I last checked I got thus:
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#51.1 Posted by chris e boy on 17 Nov 2006 - 14:44
- yep. mine is dead too.
Guess the yanks are awake now...
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#52 Posted by DeanNapper on 17 Nov 2006 - 14:50
- Argh! Got to 90% now can not connect. Why didn't Microsoft release this as a torrent (using their own Passport Login controlled tracker). That way the only load on their servers would be the initial tracker queries and the initial seeding of the ISO. Once it was in the wild enough, they could simply stop seeding....
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#53 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 14:57
- Mines back up and 10 minutes from finishing. WOOOOO
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#53.1 Posted by DeanNapper on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:08
- Mine too! Only 15 mins left (245mb).....
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#54 Posted by Clik on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:14
- This isn't even funny...
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#54.1 Posted by DeanNapper on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:30
- Damn right it's not. I'm 2 seconds away and it's stopped :-(
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#55 Posted by salaku on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:19
- With the Vista Ultimate key from MSDN - On how many systems can you install with the same key?
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#55.1 Posted by nowimnothing on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:24
- I can't remember for sure but I think it's 5 machines.
But they are all for testing purposes anyway, not permanent use, so they kind of expect you to be switching it around from machine to machine. -
#55.2 Posted by DeanNapper on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:34
- Quote - nowimnothing said @ #55.1I can't remember for sure but I think it's 5 machines.
But they are all for testing purposes anyway, not permanent use, so they kind of expect you to be switching it around from machine to machine.
It used to be 10 activations for MSDN OS's, but this may have changed with Vista. I wouldn't worry too much, we have individual MSDN licenses at work, but were only using 1 set of license keys. We have a copy of XP which must have been activated over 50 times....
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#56 Posted by RealBuRn on 17 Nov 2006 - 15:35
- Usually I do not shout, but
The keys for the Ultimate Edition of Windows VISTA ARE AVAILABLE FOR MSDN SUBSCRIBERS
phieuw... our prayers have been heard by the gods of Microsoft LoL
Initial reports are that this is different from the leaked version that has been available for about a week on all sorts of torrent sites, the hash is different:
en_windows_vista_x86_dvd_X12-34293.iso = b71e04564ca22e4d9928e59298eff87cf62b382b
LRMCFRE_EN_DVD.iso (BillGates) = b82590481755ba3420e7314bf82b8916a90963b5
This single download includes the following Windows Vista editions:
- Windows Vista Business
- Windows Vista Business N
- Windows Vista Home Basic
- Windows Vista Home Basic N
- Windows Vista Home Premium
- Windows Vista Starter
- Windows Vista Ultimate
The product key used to install Windows Vista will determine which edition will be installed. The product keys used to install Windows Vista Business N, Windows Vista Home Basic N, and Windows Vista Starter are not currently available.Also US testers may find an invitation to download any version of Vista final they choose (a product key is then supplied for the version specified) my source tells me that international users will start to see this appearing on their connect page within the next day or so. It's unclear if every tester will get a full version of their choice. We'll update this when Microsoft gets back to us.