...and more on Windows Update. Oh thats why its more than 2 Gig - Ed
Ever needed to find a driver for a product and wished Windows would either just have the driver in it, or that their Windows Update service could provide it? With Vista, it can – and new features and updates will be forthcoming too. It's about time! At the Windows Vista Team Blog, Jim Allchin, the Chief of Microsoft's Vista development effort and long-time Microsoft employee, soon to retire after having completed Vista at last, has advised readers that Windows Vista has more drivers built-in at launch than any previous version Windows.
While computer users will always want to see if the manufacturer has newer, specific drivers that eke out the best performance from peripherals and hardware add-ons, having as many drivers native in Windows as possible, and thousands of additional new drivers available on Windows Update just has to be a good thing to make life easier for computer users long used to having driver issues with XP and earlier Windows versions.
Allchin tells us that since Vista went RTM, an addition 11,700 drivers are now ready and waiting for you if you add a new peripheral to your computer, although you should naturally always try loading the drivers that came with your new hardware from CD first.
View: The Full Article @ IT Wire
Ever needed to find a driver for a product and wished Windows would either just have the driver in it, or that their Windows Update service could provide it? With Vista, it can – and new features and updates will be forthcoming too. It's about time! At the Windows Vista Team Blog, Jim Allchin, the Chief of Microsoft's Vista development effort and long-time Microsoft employee, soon to retire after having completed Vista at last, has advised readers that Windows Vista has more drivers built-in at launch than any previous version Windows.
While computer users will always want to see if the manufacturer has newer, specific drivers that eke out the best performance from peripherals and hardware add-ons, having as many drivers native in Windows as possible, and thousands of additional new drivers available on Windows Update just has to be a good thing to make life easier for computer users long used to having driver issues with XP and earlier Windows versions.
Allchin tells us that since Vista went RTM, an addition 11,700 drivers are now ready and waiting for you if you add a new peripheral to your computer, although you should naturally always try loading the drivers that came with your new hardware from CD first.
View: The Full Article @ IT Wire
If Microsoft could take Apple's route and only support a few devices, MS OSs would be amazing...instead of just ok.
Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.
just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?
Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.
just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?
It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.
If Microsoft could take Apple's route and only support a few devices, MS OSs would be amazing...instead of just ok.
The most dumbest post EVER!
Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.
just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?
It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.
Well you will be one happy bunny when ms finaly release an Os that has no old legacy junk in it.
if it worrys you that much go buy a mac.
You know if Ford could take Boeings route and put wings on cars Ford would be amazing...instead of ok.
Perhaps he has not learned enough about Linux to know that it includes a lot of support for legacy equipment - more than XP does!
I am really not sure what his point is, other than trying to make negative comments on Microsoft.
If Microsoft could take Apple's route and only support a few devices, MS OSs would be amazing...instead of just ok.
The most dumbest post EVER!
agreed! ms has other problems, not legacy support
Apple hardware is run on select hardware thus no need to include drivers for old hardware.
just why excatly would it make Ms windows anybetter if it didnt have all those drivers?
It's all the old legacy junk that MS has to support that makes their OSs less stable. That's part of the reason that the 64bit versions might be more stable.....less old crappy hardware will be supported.
But surely.....if you think about it. If you dont have any old legacy hardware then it isnt installed as it isnt needed by the OS. So what you said is absolute crap dude.
But surely.....if you think about it. If you dont have any old legacy hardware then it isnt installed as it isnt needed by the OS. So what you said is absolute crap dude.
You just understand nothing about programming.
Support for crappy/new drivers is dependent/mixed/etc.
You cannot remove the code that's made to support legacy drivers easily.
Most people will never to need to use more than a fraction of a percent of those.
What's the point of having them sitting around?
Maybe if they just had the plug and play, or USB, ones locally and anything which requires a reboot, just download what you need when you need it.
At the very least it would be simple, at install, to only install drivers for devices which can physically be installed on the system. If you only have 1 motherboard, why have all the drivers for the others. Including all the things that can't go in it. If you have no parallel port, you don't need device drivers for things which use a parrallel ports.
I hate the bloat and crap that fills windows. Stupid me for thinking they would clean it up for Vista.
Most people will never to need to use more than a fraction of a percent of those.
What's the point of having them sitting around?
Maybe if they just had the plug and play, or USB, ones locally and anything which requires a reboot, just download what you need when you need it.
At the very least it would be simple, at install, to only install drivers for devices which can physically be installed on the system. If you only have 1 motherboard, why have all the drivers for the others. Including all the things that can't go in it. If you have no parallel port, you don't need device drivers for things which use a parrallel ports.
I hate the bloat and crap that fills windows. Stupid me for thinking they would clean it up for Vista.
So what are you going to do when you need drivers for your network card.
Most people will never to need to use more than a fraction of a percent of those.
What's the point of having them sitting around?
Maybe if they just had the plug and play, or USB, ones locally and anything which requires a reboot, just download what you need when you need it.
At the very least it would be simple, at install, to only install drivers for devices which can physically be installed on the system. If you only have 1 motherboard, why have all the drivers for the others. Including all the things that can't go in it. If you have no parallel port, you don't need device drivers for things which use a parrallel ports.
I hate the bloat and crap that fills windows. Stupid me for thinking they would clean it up for Vista.
So what are you going to do when you need drivers for your network card.
They will be sent by Microsoft in the post, once you send them a telegram.... by man on horseback.
Or maybe...... just maybe...... they leave those in.
Are you trying to make some kind of point?
Right but if you modify the installer even with a flag then it has to modify the entries or files that are installed to make that flag have any meaning.
The instant that is done Windows would pickup that a change was made and would notify you that once again the drivers were non-certified.
There's really not an easy way around WHQL, either it is or isn't, and it tells you either way.
This is good though. The Plug-n-Play is actually respectable in Vista. A nice change from previous Windows releases.
For my 6600GT too.
So I only have minimal 2button-wheel functionality in Vista, which is clearly *not* what I paid for!
Besides, Logitech software is über-bloated anyway - 25MB memory (in XP) just for assigning functions to the mouse buttons!? That's ludicrous!
and the reular Loitech driver/Software works fine on Vista for me, and I even run vista x64, and Khalmnpr is currently using a whopping 168kb on my computer. How can I live with that... and two setpoint instance(one 32 bit) ar eboth using aroudn 450 kb.
All in all Logitech uses a total of just over 1(ONE) whole megabyte of memory... aw crap... 2 thousand more mouse drivers installed and I'm out of memory...
Keep trying, Jim. There must be SOME reason for people to want to buy this...keep looking.
I'm no longer giving MS the benefit of the doubt or my money for that matter. I'm staying on XP until Vista rocks, officially and widely, across all hardware, old (recent) and new (future).
it will support most all of the extra buttons on your mouse, and if not, look at my post above, xp driver/software works
Drivers are not found on Vista for the above hardware, there is plenty of software that operates just fine on XP and wont operate on Vista.
WS_FTP2007
Auction Sentry (Works, but doesn't connect to ebay !
Over all, the only thing I like about Vista is it is faster than XP and the Aero Glass desktop.
But it's shipped with 19,500 drivers, about 70% of them are probably useless.
Laserjet printer, (unless you where stupid and went and got a host based one) are compatible with all other PCL 5, PCL 6 and in most cases PostScript drivers. Meanign you can fall back to some LJ 3 or LJ 4 PCL5 driver wich are practically alwlays available. at leats I'm sure there are some LJ drivers in Vista
Anyone know how to fix this?
Yeah, I looked in the forums of the kX project, and Vista support is being worked on, so at least there is hope. I think it's rediculous that Creative has stopped supporting this very popular, and still very commonly used, card.
And people thought waiting YEARS for Win2000/XP drivers for the Live was crazy...
And to make it work I just used the same driver that I used on XP.
heh. There comes the workaround killer. A lot of people will be sad soon. Thanks for me, I dont want vista even if is for free
It's not like you are going to buy a NEW PC with Vista and no Internet at home. Then why would you be interested? Haha.
But yeah, keep it trolling. I mean, rolling.
It's not like you are going to buy a NEW PC with Vista and no Internet at home. Then why would you be interested? Haha.
If you buy a new PC with Vista preloaded, why would you give a damn about legacy drivers?
Furthermore, how is going to Windows Update different than the way it's always been done with XP?
Lastly, who the hell uses outdated Windows drivers anyway? The manufacturers always have newer versions. Does MS now claim they will stay up to date on these drivers? Will they be certified?
I believe it was all the people who blamed Microsoft for things going wrong after the user installed crappy drivers...
I guess it would be like an automated version of posting a message in a forum asking if XYZ piece of hardware works in Vista.
Jesus! If anyones forcing you to upgrade its the manufacturers of your peripherals! It isn't Microsoft's job to write drivers for every piece of hardware ever made, they only do to try and help out the end user. I myself are having to upgrade my soundcard as Creative have no development plans for Vista drivers for the soundcard i have. No biggie.
Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$
Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$
gah go away with the M$ crap, go whine to the company that made your usb drives as it is not windows fault that there is no drivers yet the manufacturer of the product you bought, or even better steal the buggy drivers from the rc builds if your that damn desperate
Also another person, it isnt microsofts job to write amd drivers for your graphix card, maybe you should be pestering amd instead or the manufacture of your laptop or mainboard or whatever to support it properly
That just means that those companies just made some crappy exceses of the drivers.
When the RTM day came, MS just said they don't want that crappy unstable **** in their OS and threw them away.
Yeah and my UBS drives won't because no driver/s for them while they all worked fine in every Beta & RC release.. Good Job M$
gah go away with the M$ crap, go whine to the company that made your usb drives as it is not windows fault that there is no drivers yet the manufacturer of the product you bought, or even better steal the buggy drivers from the rc builds if your that damn desperate
MM look another M$ Fanboy, I bet you have Bill Gates number on speed dial to suck up to him.
While I know that there were some vendors who lagged XP's RTM (Creative and their Live drivers seem to be a repeat offender now), I never saw this kind of major hardware driver lag with XP's release.
There are MULTIPLE MAJOR vendors who don't have solid drivers on the RTM for Vista...period.
Go read the windows vista blog and u'll realize what he meant rather than read from other news sources... http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsv...ew-product.aspx
And most hardware will work on 30th Jan, when vista is launched to consumers with the help windows update!!
Last edited by sunbiz_3000 on 21 Nov 2006 - 07:51
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