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Microsoft didn't create “Zune”

Gabriel   on 22 November 2006 - 00:08 · 71 comments & 34171 views

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The person who actually created the “Zune” name is getting no credit at all.

Zune is on everyone's lips these days, be it in a context of criticism or... Let's be fair, there is no or. But who do we have to give credit to for coming up with the name? Surprisingly enough, not Microsoft. If it would have been up to them, Zune would have been called Portable Windows Media Player, or something else equally dull and with corporate nuances.

Actually, the person that created the name isn't getting any credit at all. The Zune name originated within Lexicon Branding, a Sausalito-based branding company. BlackBerry, Pentium, PowerBook, and OnStar are among their impressive creations.

“The creative strategy was quite simple: Don't try to be like iPod or to beat iPod. Instead, create a new word that will help Microsoft to create a distinct personality,” revealed David Placek, founder and CEO of Lexicon.

Three Lexicon teams, two people each were put to work on designing a brand identity for Microsoft's portable player. Two of the teams worked under the presumption that they were creating names for a Sony player and an MTV broadband experience while only one knew that Microsoft was behind the project.

“Additionally, the Lexicon Research Network of 60 Ph.D. linguists in 39 countries was tapped to provide insights into the latest brands in music and video entertainment and to give us suggestions as to words, word parts, sounds and metaphors that might be applied to a next generation entertainment system,” Placek added.

News source: Softpedia

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(5 replies) #1 profets003 on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:13
incredible... all that work and research for 4 letters ?
#1.1 toadeater on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:35
Quote - profets003 said @ #1
incredible... all that work and research for 4 letters ?


Just shows you how easily all the "experts" can be wrong. A bum in the street could have told you for a $1 that the name "Zune" sucks, and you would have saved yourself some time.

Why would you hire all these people come up with a name for your product? Didn't anyone at MS have any ideas?

Last edited by toadeater on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:43
#1.2 kazzama on 22 Nov 2006 - 08:28
Quote - profets003 said @ #1
incredible... all that work and research for 4 letters ?


I believe its an interesting name as do alot of people whom i discuss the Zune with, sure the product itself may not be original but that does not take away from the value of its name as it is very original and has a nice ring to it.

But i guess most people will go with their natural instinct "oh noes change *waves arms wildly*"
#1.3 ripgut on 22 Nov 2006 - 16:15
Quote - toadeater said @ #1.1
Didn't anyone at MS have any ideas?



LOL, now that is a good one!
#1.4 C_Guy on 22 Nov 2006 - 18:52
"All that work and research"..

Wait 'til you hear how much time and money they invested making the 4 second startup sound that sounds worse than the "Microsoft SOund" featured in Windows 95.
#1.5 toadeater on 22 Nov 2006 - 20:41
Quote - C_Guy said @ #1.4
"All that work and research"..

Wait 'til you hear how much time and money they invested making the 4 second startup sound that sounds worse than the "Microsoft SOund" featured in Windows 95.


I'm starting to think that it takes MS 100x as much money, and 10x as many devs to develop something as it does other companies. Considering that, their billions don't equate to much.
#2 Alladaskill on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:15
Interesting...

Is that company's job to come up with creative names and slogans for future products?
(1 reply) #3 LyKwId on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:18
and i'm sure now that people know that the "zune" branding wasn't by microsoft, they'll begin to start accepting the name

oh double standards...
#3.1 lunarworks on 22 Nov 2006 - 03:14
Feces is still feces no matter who it came out of.

That's my opinion of the name.
(4 replies) #4 Spartan_X on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:25
so? where is the new in all of this? Microsoft as many other companies always hire 3rd party agencies for this kind of stuff. for example, the Xbox 360 design was done by two companies teaming together, one is San Francisco based and the other one is Japanese.

seems like is a very slow day for news today...
#4.1 carl0ski on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:41
Quote - Spartan_X said @ #4
so? where is the new in all of this? Microsoft as many other companies always hire 3rd party agencies for this kind of stuff. for example, the Xbox 360 design was done by two companies teaming together, one is San Francisco based and the other one is Japanese.

seems like is a very slow day for news today...


What so the US came up with the term 360 and japanese came up with XboX

If only there was a way to merge the two!
#4.2 brianshapiro on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:49
there was an article on the name Zune in the Wall Street Journal, except they weren't so dumb as to be surprised that a corporation actually had a branding company do the work for them.

softpedia may be surprised to know that Microsoft hires companies to do advertisements for them also! wow!

people also don't realize theres a reason Microsoft chose names like 'Portable Media Center' and 'Ultra-Mobile PC'. Its because they weren't selling a device; they were selling a category of device, which was to be built by independent companies; each of which could have their own fun sounding name. You have to name things differently depending on how they are used in the market.

part of the reason the iPod ended up with such a good name is accident, because of the whole marketing strategy for Mac items where everything would start with an 'i'. In general, this was a stupid thing, really; even though it had a marketing point. And naming a product 'pod' itself would be a stupid thing. but the combination of the two made 'iPod' which was actually kind of a good name for an mp3 player.


#4.3 PureLegend on 22 Nov 2006 - 16:12
Quote - brianshapiro said @ #4.2
part of the reason the iPod ended up with such a good name is accident, because of the whole marketing strategy for Mac items where everything would start with an 'i'. In general, this was a stupid thing, really; even though it had a marketing point. And naming a product 'pod' itself would be a stupid thing. but the combination of the two made 'iPod' which was actually kind of a good name for an mp3 player.
Umm, yeah, okay, it was all accident that they came up with "iPod", even though all their products are "intelligent", and the "iPod" is "pod-shaped"
#4.4 brianshapiro on 23 Nov 2006 - 00:35
um yeah okay, i dont mean to sound insulting, but you were, so what the heck... next time you respond to one of my posts, try to sound if you actually understood what i wrote
#5 trip21 on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:32
If I had anything to do with the thing I'd be trying to distance myself, not jumping up and downwanting credit
(4 replies) #6 Ti133700N on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:36
"Additionally, the Lexicon Research Network of 60 Ph.D. linguists in 39 countries..."

Alright, so they know that "Zune" here in Quebec means penis right...?
#6.1 Hankyone on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:47
its more zizi than zune
#6.2 Tropical Dream on 22 Nov 2006 - 01:59
Quote - Hankyone said @ #6.1
its more zizi than zune


no... in France french it's zizi
in Quebec french it's zune - pronounced "Zoune"
#6.3 MrCobra on 22 Nov 2006 - 02:53
Quote - Ti133700N said @ #6
"Additionally, the Lexicon Research Network of 60 Ph.D. linguists in 39 countries..."

Alright, so they know that "Zune" here in Quebec means penis right...?


You can listen to your Zune while playin with your Wii.
#6.4 hotwire on 22 Nov 2006 - 15:20
LOL WAh!?!!?
rofl... so all the company did was made fun of Microsoft by creating the name "Zune" and "Wii"?
It's not really a surprise to hear microsoft not doing every piece of small stuff. Look at the bright side, nobody will flame microsoft for the "bugg" name. XD
(6 replies) #7 C++ on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:36
The funniest thing is that neither "Zune" nor "BlackBerry," "Pentium," "PowerBook" or "OnStar" are good names. They became known because they were heavily marketed, and because they were good products. But they all sound pretty stupid as words.
#7.1 IndianPimp99 on 22 Nov 2006 - 00:46
True, but would the products have succeeded had they had even funkier names? How much less success would the Zune project have if it WAS called "Portable Windows Media Player" or if BlackBerry was named MobiMail or something to that effect? The names have to essentially roll off your tongue and I doubt some companies have the ability to think that way.
#7.2 MrCobra on 22 Nov 2006 - 02:58
The name Pentium was conceived becuase at the time Intel was trying to sue AMD for using the names 386 and 486 for their processors. The courts said that they can't patent or trademark a number so the name Pentium was born.
#7.3 DomG on 22 Nov 2006 - 04:45
Quote - IndianPimp99 said @ #7.1
How much less success would the Zune project have if it WAS called "Portable Windows Media Player"


Is it actually possible for the Zune to have less success?

I kid, I kid.
#7.4 +mrbester on 22 Nov 2006 - 10:00
Quote - MrCobra said @ #7.2
The name Pentium was conceived becuase at the time Intel was trying to sue AMD for using the names 386 and 486 for their processors. The courts said that they can't patent or trademark a number so the name Pentium was born.

Tell that to Peugeot. The only reason that the Porsche 911 is 911 (it was originially going to be 901) is because Peugeot declared they had the monopoly on n0n, therefore anybody else with a marque similar could be "confused" with Peugeot. Not only is this typically French, it's also bollocks, but they won anyway...
#7.5 rIaHc3 on 22 Nov 2006 - 15:43
Quote - C++ said @ #7
The funniest thing is that neither "Zune" nor "BlackBerry," "Pentium," "PowerBook" or "OnStar" are good names. They became known because they were heavily marketed, and because they were good products. But they all sound pretty stupid as words.

And your names would have been better and better sounding?


Sure.
#7.6 roadwarrior on 22 Nov 2006 - 16:25
Quote - mrbester said @ #7.4
Quote - MrCobra said @ #7.2
The name Pentium was conceived becuase at the time Intel was trying to sue AMD for using the names 386 and 486 for their processors. The courts said that they can't patent or trademark a number so the name Pentium was born.

Tell that to Peugeot. The only reason that the Porsche 911 is 911 (it was originially going to be 901) is because Peugeot declared they had the monopoly on n0n, therefore anybody else with a marque similar could be "confused" with Peugeot. Not only is this typically French, it's also bollocks, but they won anyway...


You do realize that you and MrCobra are talking about courts and patent laws in two totally different countries, right?

And am I the only one thought from the title of this article that it was going to be about the fact that the Zune is just a rebranded Toshiba player? The funny thing is, the Toshiba player supports PlaysForSure, and the Zune doesn't!
#8 Osprey on 22 Nov 2006 - 01:23
Just the basis for the article is fishy. Is it to strip Microsoft of credit for the product? It seems like it. The thing is, do we see articles like this stripping credit from Intel or Apple because they didn't come up with Pentium or PowerBook? No, but we see it with Microsoft, the company that so many love to hate.
#9 RangerLG on 22 Nov 2006 - 01:36
They should have spent more time coming up with a name. I haven't liked Zune since it was announced to be the name.
#10 yukycg on 22 Nov 2006 - 02:03
I don't have problem with the name but the design of Zune... well no where close to iPod
#11 Eduardo on 22 Nov 2006 - 03:34
They get paid for the job o they want credit? Is there any need to post something like this?
#12 sagy on 22 Nov 2006 - 04:11
Welcome to the word of Bill Gates.

As it is, the player is jinxed - who really cares.
(2 replies) #13 xxdesmus on 22 Nov 2006 - 04:12
Why would they get credit?

Isn't there entire job to create the name and then hand said name off for a company to use? ...perhaps I am missing something obvious here.
#13.1 kazzama on 22 Nov 2006 - 08:38
fanboys xxdesmus... fanboys thats the point your missing.

But dont feel left out.. the fact that someone is trying to bring out a negative point of a product in this way is hilarious.

Its like saying OMFG my Honda Civic wasn't made by Honda it was made by *insert random factory* then Honda sold it.. shame on them .
#13.2 Litespeed on 22 Nov 2006 - 21:31
They do get credit.

It's usually in the form of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars.
#14 Webgraph on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:02
Didn't Microsoft have to do the same thing when they created "Windows" in 1985?
(1 reply) #15 Mekun on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:24
They paid for it they dont have to give credit to anyone. Companys do this all the time is called subbing out.
No news but MS bashing .
#15.1 matt_hobbs05 on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:45
I think a better term for it is "outsourcing".
#16 Evilpig on 22 Nov 2006 - 05:39
Meh, its microsoft.
(1 reply) #17 coolvi on 22 Nov 2006 - 06:03
Zune isn't too bad a name for a portable music player. Zune. Tune. And soon there'll be conversations around us that'll go like this...

"Hey what're you doing?"
"Download these tunes to my zune."

Okay so that sounds stupid... :lol: Maybe it'll become a verb, like google...

"I'm just zuning along."
#17.1 Litespeed on 22 Nov 2006 - 21:32
Well it sounds more plausible than "iPoding". Sounds more like a winter sport.
(1 reply) #18 Pyros9 on 22 Nov 2006 - 06:18
Who cares
#18.1 noroom on 27 Nov 2006 - 11:07
I had no idea there were companies out there that come up with names for products for other companies!
#19 CheeseCow on 22 Nov 2006 - 06:42
First the Wii, now this... Please stop being overly creative, you're shooting yourself in the foot guys...
#20 osirisX on 22 Nov 2006 - 06:47
They took 'Tune' and made a silly pun to fit the tone of Microsoft branding. Hardly creative.
#21 rob.derosa on 22 Nov 2006 - 07:49
microsoft paid them to create the name - i dont get what the story is here
#22 kravex on 22 Nov 2006 - 08:56
This is news? Nearly all company's get marketing company's to come up with brand names.

Who wrote this, a Mac fanboy or what?
#23 antaris on 22 Nov 2006 - 09:11
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The person who actually created the “Zune” name is getting no credit at all.

This first line throws me off, it starts off so maliciously.....Why not start with:
Quote -
Does it really surprise you that companies hire external companies or persons to do work?

Completely pointless article.

Last edited by antaris on 22 Nov 2006 - 09:16
#24 AfroTrance on 22 Nov 2006 - 09:18
What's so good about the name Zen... I mean Zune?
(1 reply) #25 phantasmorph on 22 Nov 2006 - 10:09
So...they didn't come up with the name, and they didn't come up with the product itself, since it's just a rebadged Toshiba Gigabeat.

What exactly did Microsoft do with this thing, other than slap their name on it and maybe toss in some crippled wifi? Oh, wait, I forgot, they are effectively trying to nullify all the PlaysForSure-compatible players on the market.

Go Microsoft, the only multi-billion dollar company that couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper sack.
#25.1 Guol on 22 Nov 2006 - 11:12
Dude. Why the hell put down Microsoft.

They bought over the Toshiba Gigabeat and used their resources to alter it and change it to suit them.

Is that a crime in any way? They have the money.
I'm sure if you look back in history many concepts have evolved in the same fashion. They've taken a previous idea and altered it to suit their aspirations, then sold it.

If you've got the money then why waste the time and effort creating a 'new' player as opposed to buying over an existing player if ultimately they will do the same basic things.

And hey..They went to Lexicon to have this whole 'Zune' branding worked out. What's wrong with that.
Once again, they have the money to afford these resources. Ultimately, if they think it's in their best interests then so let it be.

Personally, I think it's a great strategy, and I think they've done really well in achieving what they did.
In fact, it's called running a business in the best possible way, in order to make a profit for themselves.
So yes. Go Microsoft for using their resources and, like any other business, trying to maximise their profits.


(2 replies) #26 em_te on 22 Nov 2006 - 11:07
What about the money Microsoft credited to their bank account?
#26.1 Guol on 22 Nov 2006 - 11:16
Exactly.

As I stated in the post above.
Microsoft had the money, so good for them. It's theirs. Let them spend it whichever way they want.

If the Lexicon people thought it was so 'horrendous' of Microsoft to engage in such an 'evil ploy' then I'm sure they wouldn't have agreed to the branding in the first place.

But it seems they do that as a job. To generate profits. And I'm sure for many other companies other than Microsoft.

This is hardly an important 'news item' at all.
#26.2 em_te on 23 Nov 2006 - 01:15
This is nothing but plain extortion. The designers are relying on the fact that their work is already widely in use and now they are claiming that they did not get enough credit. I think we should all boycott this design firm.
#27 brent3000 on 22 Nov 2006 - 11:26
your kidding... Its just a name... if they buy the name off them then they dont need to give them credit... show them the cash and start rolling out the logo...
#28 mayamaniac on 22 Nov 2006 - 11:27
There's Zen... and there's iTunes.... so .... Zune

I think its a mediocre name and can think of several better names. But it doesn't matter, once people get used to it, it should be fine. Vista wasn't well received neither but we all got used to it and accepted it.
(1 reply) #29 werejag on 22 Nov 2006 - 12:31
i hope your joking with this statement "Zune is on everyone's lips these days" except for advertisments paid for by microsoft disguised as neowin news articles no one is talking about zune.

it will be like rest of the play for sure products......dead
#29.1 RiVaLSSJ on 23 Nov 2006 - 15:54
Quote - werejag said @ #1
i hope your joking with this statement "Zune is on everyone's lips these days"

lol I was thinking the same thing. I barely even know what a Zune is, and I haven't heard anyone talk about it.
#30 hapbt on 22 Nov 2006 - 14:17
The Zune theme sucks.
#31 cchasem on 22 Nov 2006 - 15:16
Okay?...

So where is the "Apple didn't create the PowerBook name" article?..

lame, useless MS bashing.
#32 MDboyz on 22 Nov 2006 - 16:44
I've developed a few programs for my company, and I didn't get credit for them. Oh.. wait... I did get paid.
If you want to post a fair news, please do post all other products too....... geez...
(1 reply) #33 lbmouse on 22 Nov 2006 - 17:30
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Surprisingly enough, not Microsoft.

How is this surprising? Microsoft: Innovation Via Imitation
Where do you want to go today? Please tell us because we have no clue.
#33.1 C_Guy on 22 Nov 2006 - 19:06
*Sigh*

Here's the definition of imitation, in case you missed it: "something made to be as much as possible like something else" -From MSN Encarta

Zune was not designed to copy iPod it was designed to beat it. Does it look like an iPod? No. Feel like one? No. Act like one? No. Have as few features as one? No.

If Microsoft didn't have a clue, would their software run, what is it, 90% of computers in the world today? Not likely.

Good try though.
(1 reply) #34 C_Guy on 22 Nov 2006 - 18:54
Your first hint that the article has no real credibility or value and lots of pointless bias:

"Zune is on everyone's lips these days, be it in a context of criticism"
#34.1 toadeater on 22 Nov 2006 - 20:46
Quote - C_Guy said @ #34
Your first hint that the article has no real credibility or value and lots of pointless bias:

"Zune is on everyone's lips these days, be it in a context of criticism"


Judging by the forums all over the internet, that's an accurate statement, not bias. And it's not surprising.

Here's another thing to note, it seems buyers aren't interested in video on their portable players. Zune's advantage of a larger screen doesn't seem to be a feature most people are interested in.

Personally, I took a look at the Zune, and besides the ridiculously bad name, it has the styling of an almost 1980s product. The trim around the controls and screen is ugly and superfluous. It doesn't look very sleek.

Besides, looks, like I said, people don't seem to be interested in portable video nearly as much as audio and audio features/accessories.
#35 jafoman on 22 Nov 2006 - 20:17
Bad article title. Nuff said.
#36 Dark_INk on 22 Nov 2006 - 22:21
they got paid.
this is how business works, their service was developing a name.
#37 Huleboeren on 22 Nov 2006 - 22:56
As if Microsoft ever did anything themselfs
They bought Bungie (Halo)
They will probably buy Epic (GoW)
#38 Primetime2006 on 23 Nov 2006 - 01:57
So what? Intel gave no credit to them for Pentium, RIM gave no credit to them for BlackBerry, so on and so far. Nobody said anything when they failed to give credit. But now that it's MS not giving credit, it's news.

Give it up.
#39 Gabriel on 23 Nov 2006 - 09:25
This article is about information and knowledge, if you did not read this article probably you will not know about this infornation. This is not about judgement is MS stupid or smart, will be Zune siccesful or not, is it good or bad, am I MS or Aple fanboy. I read information on Softpedia, it was interesting and I like to share with my comunity. That is all! If I didn't read similar article about Windows XP logo I willl never know that XP logo is created by other design company not by MS, and I was thinking MS design team was created that logo. Is that good or bad is not the point and I'm not gona judge that but I'm informed!
#40 ursamajoran on 26 Nov 2006 - 00:40
I thought Al Gore invented the Zune name. No? I guess the pain meds for my toothache have me a bit zuned out.....sorry.

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