Sun goes multilingual with Java SE 6
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 11 December 2006 - 16:01 · 38 comments & 8222 views
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#2 Posted by OceanMotion on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:28
- Does a normal user actually need to have Java SE installed. Is it really used for anything that important ? A lot of people say, must do so because MS one is no longer updated but you uninstall it anyway.
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#2.1 Posted by eSouL on 11 Dec 2006 - 18:34
- Microsoft JVM is based on the old JDK 1.1, which means that applications or applets compiled against jdk 1.2 or higher may not run properly in MS JVM.
However, if you do not use Java-written apps/games (eg Azureus) or visit websites that use applets (like on many educational and ticket booking sites), there is no need to install any Java Runtime Environment.
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#4 Posted by Croquant on 11 Dec 2006 - 18:56
- IMHO, installing Java is an unnecessary security risk. It's just too easy to write a Java virus and distribute it on a legit-looking website.
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#4.1 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:02
- How many viruses you know were spearding using Sun's Java?
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#4.2 Posted by Croquant on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:32
- Enough that I don't install Java on any of my machines anymore.
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#4.3 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:38
- Well, I have heard of 100000times the number of viruses that are spreaded becauses of IE/Outlook and Javascripts. There were some important holes in microsoft JVM, but I am yet to hear of any significant virus that was spreaded using Sun's JVM. (Thre were some Cell phone viruses, but I do not know about their significance.)
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#4.4 Posted by lordpake on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:51
- Quote - Soleen said @ #4.1How many viruses you know were spearding using Sun's Java?
As far as I am aware of, some malware, such WinFixer and Virtumundo, may exploit vulnerabilities in JRE to get installed in drive-by fashion. -
#4.5 Posted by
markjensen on 11 Dec 2006 - 21:20
- Croquant,
In your comment, replace every instance of "Java" with "IE", "ActiveX", "Outlook" or even "Windows", and you will see it from my point of view.
My point in this comment: You can't point to one product and declare it the root of all evil. These are tools. Some may not suit your needs, but it doesn't mean that they are Malware Magnets. -
#4.6 Posted by deadmonkey on 11 Dec 2006 - 22:06
- How is a Java virus any difference to a virus written in C or C++ or Pascal or VB that will run natively, in an unsecured environment (unlike Java which runs in a VM) without the need of any kind of runtime or framework? The answer in case you are unsure - it isn't.
No offense meant but your comment is total rubbish. -
#4.7 Posted by toadeater on 11 Dec 2006 - 23:44
- Quote - Croquant said @ #4IMHO, installing Java is an unnecessary security risk. It's just too easy to write a Java virus and distribute it on a legit-looking website.
I assume this is some kind of joke? -
#4.8 Posted by no_n00bs on 12 Dec 2006 - 00:09
- Quote - toadeater said @ #4.7Quote - Croquant said @ #4IMHO, installing Java is an unnecessary security risk. It's just too easy to write a Java virus and distribute it on a legit-looking website.
I assume this is some kind of joke?
No, Croquant is a known troll. -
#4.9 Posted by Elf Wizard on 12 Dec 2006 - 18:47
- Quote - Croquant said @ #4IMHO, installing Java is an unnecessary security risk.
Security risk yes, but for sure NOT unnecessary.
You can find a tone of usefull Java software at sites like Sourceforge and Freshmeat (both applications and games), with most well known the Open Office, that demands a Java installation, for full usabillity. -
#4.10 Posted by BillH on 03 Jan 2007 - 17:50
- Croquant said "It's just too easy to write a Java virus and distribute it on a legit-looking website."
It's not easy; I don't believe it's even possible. When java runs as an applet from a web site its operations are restricted to a "sandbox" that prevents all file, network, and device access except at the server from which it came. It cannot access any resources on your computer that would allow it to propagate. It is far more secure than MS ActiveX, VB, or other unprotected downloadables that can do whatever they wish. In 10 years as a full-time java programmer and instructor I have never heard of a single java applet that propagated as a virus, worm, or anything like that--not even one.
I'm talking here about a java *applet* that you would come across by surfing to a web page. On the other hand, installed java *applications* have unrestricted access, but you cannot install a java application without knowing you are doing so; you have to explicitly download and then launch the program.
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#5 Posted by +Shadrack on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:00
- Programs that install unnecessary tasktray icons **** me off.
Sun JAVA is pretty much required on any PC these days.
@OceanMotion: do you have any Java applications you need to run? If so, then YES! Otherwise, don't worry about it as it will just add more seconds to your boot-up time. -
#5.2 Posted by Croquant on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:34
- Quote - Shadrack said @ #5
Sun JAVA is pretty much required on any PC these days.
Required? For what, exactly? Stupid Java games that could have been written better in Flash?
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#6 Posted by RedHook on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:22
- I remember a time when every artible online was java. Everything was about how Java was going to save the world from the evil microsoft. How java was the great enabler and will bring about world peace.
There were Java watches and Java Pens (I still don't understand what that is). Write once run every where, Scott McNeal was everywhere saying that this will end Microsoft.
Fast forward to 2006: I get this annoying icon in my systray asking me update my JRE. And for the love of god I can't get rid of it. It just won't die....Oh, how the mighty have fallen...I wonder if Scott writes with a Java pen? -
#6.1 Posted by snappyfool on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:28
- if you can't get rid of the icon then that's your problem. it's fairly simple.
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#6.2 Posted by RedHook on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:33
- Quote - snappyfool said @ #6.1if you can't get rid of the icon then that's your problem. it's fairly simple.
after a long battle with the demon child that is Java I finally won. It is no longer a plaque on my systray
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#6.3 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:06
- I have to agree though, that it is pretty dumb for Java to place icon insystem tray by default. Eventhough it is extremely easy to remove, in my opinion java should be more as a service not as an application. But I guess Sun wants users to be aware of java presense, but Sun hurt's itself more because of this stupid icons...
In any case I am using Linux and Solaris on my computers so I do not have this problem :-P -
#6.4 Posted by RedHook on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:42
- Quote - Soleen said @ #6.3I have to agree though, that it is pretty dumb for Java to place icon insystem tray by default. Eventhough it is extremely easy to remove, in my opinion java should be more as a service not as an application. But I guess Sun wants users to be aware of java presense, but Sun hurt's itself more because of this stupid icons...
In any case I am using Linux and Solaris on my computers so I do not have this problem :-P
wow, I didn't think that there were any of your kind around still
oh my god, an actually Linux user....I wonder what percentage of the .0005% market share are you -
#6.5 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:45
- Quote - RedHook said @ #6.4wow, I didn't think that there were any of your kind around still
oh my god, an actually Linux user....I wonder what percentage of the .0005% market share are you
When I am using my PC I do not care about precentage of people use the same setup as I do. I enjoy using OS, browsers, window managers, file managers of my choice. I do like to have a choice. -
#6.6 Posted by RedHook on 11 Dec 2006 - 22:10
- Quote - Soleen said @ #6.5Quote - RedHook said @ #6.4wow, I didn't think that there were any of your kind around still
oh my god, an actually Linux user....I wonder what percentage of the .0005% market share are you
When I am using my PC I do not care about precentage of people use the same setup as I do. I enjoy using OS, browsers, window managers, file managers of my choice. I do like to have a choice.
ahh yes..choice of filemanager and browser are reason for changing to a different OS. Odd that windows don't have those options -
#6.7 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 22:16
- Quote - RedHook said @ #1.6ahh yes..choice of filemanager and browser are reason for changing to a different OS. Odd that windows don't have those options
Ok This is my http://dwm.suckless.org window manager, I challenge you to find anything like this for Windows like OS. And I do love this window manager, it is fast, small and extremely efficient for my needs.
This is my file manager: http://thunar.xfce.org/index.html you can say that is looks like Windows File manager? I do not care, it is fast, configurble and very stable for me. -
#6.8 Posted by tareqsiraj on 11 Dec 2006 - 22:21
- [quote=RedHook said,#6.6][quote=Soleen said,#6.5][quote=RedHook said,#6.4]wow, I didn't think that there were any of your kind around still
oh my god, an actually Linux user....I wonder what percentage of the .0005% market share are you[/quote]
When I am using my PC I do not care about precentage of people use the same setup as I do. I enjoy using OS, browsers, window managers, file managers of my choice. I do like to have a choice.[/quote]
Does that surprise you? and whats the market share got to do with linux and java? from what i heard... sun makes *great* java runtime and compiler for linux ... so ... your point is? -
#6.9 Posted by RedHook on 11 Dec 2006 - 22:52
- Quote - Soleen said @ #6.7Quote - RedHook said @ #1.6ahh yes..choice of filemanager and browser are reason for changing to a different OS. Odd that windows don't have those options
Ok This is my http://dwm.suckless.org window manager, I challenge you to find anything like this for Windows like OS. And I do love this window manager, it is fast, small and extremely efficient for my needs.
This is my file manager: http://thunar.xfce.org/index.html you can say that is looks like Windows File manager? I do not care, it is fast, configurble and very stable for me.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=f...G=Google+Search
you pick the one that meets your needs -
#6.10 Posted by Soleen on 11 Dec 2006 - 23:01
- Quote - RedHook said @ #6.9you pick the one that meets your needs
Thank you, but I already picked mine, and I do not need another one.
I picked OS that cost 0$ and all soft that also did not cost my anything. I do not play any games, why should I use a nonefree software, when a free software can solve all my needs? And on the top of that I enjoy using opensource software (even though I do have several closed source programs on my PC such as Opera). -
#6.11 Posted by RedHook on 12 Dec 2006 - 18:23
- Quote - Soleen said @ #6.10Quote - RedHook said @ #6.9you pick the one that meets your needs
Thank you, but I already picked mine, and I do not need another one.
I picked OS that cost 0$ and all soft that also did not cost my anything. I do not play any games, why should I use a nonefree software, when a free software can solve all my needs? And on the top of that I enjoy using opensource software (even though I do have several closed source programs on my PC such as Opera).
do you have understand the concept of TCO?
I thought that we covered this 5-10 years ago?
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#7 Posted by Angel Blue01 on 12 Dec 2006 - 00:50
- Hurray! My college is switching to Java from C++ and I just took a course in it and I like it a lot. Hopefully version 6 will be even better.
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#7.1 Posted by MrA on 12 Dec 2006 - 17:24
- It may be better, but I think your college is making the right choice in switching to C++. My uni teaches Java (or optionally, scheme) in first year. When it comes to taking upper year courses like OS, concurrency or real-time, people have a hard time since they didn't learn about the most basic concepts like pointers and memory management in first year.
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#7.2 Posted by RedHook on 12 Dec 2006 - 18:21
- Quote - MrA said @ #7.1It may be better, but I think your college is making the right choice in switching to C++. My uni teaches Java (or optionally, scheme) in first year. When it comes to taking upper year courses like OS, concurrency or real-time, people have a hard time since they didn't learn about the most basic concepts like pointers and memory management in first year.
it take smore than a few crappy beans to make a good pot of coffee
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#8 Posted by Emon on 12 Dec 2006 - 05:59
- Whoever is saying java is not needed, java is dead blah blah .. never heard of "Enterprise Applications" I bet.
Java kicks MS's ass in the enterprise arena.
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#9 Posted by cardg on 12 Dec 2006 - 12:37
- Hope it supports aero
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#9.1 Posted by quintesse on 12 Dec 2006 - 15:57
- Yes it will: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/chet/archive/...on_vista_y.html
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#10 Posted by xMorpheousx416 on 12 Dec 2006 - 19:51
- It's up and available.
Sun Java 6.
Sun's approach used to be that Java was the solution for all developers' problems, he said. But it has since become clear to Sun that developers want to use other languages in conjunction with Java to create hybrid applications. Sun has created a collection of scripting engines on its Web site, and Java SE 6 includes a preconfigured version of Mozilla's open-source Rhino JavaScript engine.
"Java SE 6 is an extremely significant release for us," said Jean Elliott, Sun's senior director of Java platform product marketing. She drew particular attention to community participation in the platform's development. For the first time, hundreds of non-Sun developers had some input into the Java SE development process, beginning in September 2004 as Sun released Java SE 5. One area where developers influenced the platform was their request