Vista Boosts Tech Industry
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 11 December 2006 - 16:04 · 22 comments & 5752 views
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#1 Posted by EduardValencia on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:19
- another reason to upgrade and switch?
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#1.1 Posted by Shadrack on 11 Dec 2006 - 18:26
- Hardly. The article just states that the release of a new OS and the additional advertisement campaigns that Microsoft is running will boost PC sells for Microsoft's partners. That makes sense to me, and if I get a new PC next year I will make sure it is running Vista.
However, this does not lead into a mass adoption of the new Windows OS.
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Corporate network administrators, at this point, are overly skeptical of the new OS. I imagine that many new corporate machines purchased next year will still contain Windows XP on it as IT staff rarely like supporting more OS's then they need to. Either the entire network is running Vista or it is running XP..and upgrading all those computers will cost a butt load of money. There needs to be a stronger incentive to move to Vista other then, "its new."
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#1.2 Posted by toadeater on 11 Dec 2006 - 23:34
- Quote - EduardValencia said @ #1another reason to upgrade and switch?
The same thing could be said of any OS upgrade. DX10 alone would have gotten people to upgrade. You just wouldn't see Symantec and pals reselling their old products in shiny new Vista versions. -
#1.3 Posted by mrmckeb on 12 Dec 2006 - 01:39
- Quote - toadeater said @ #1.2The same thing could be said of any OS upgrade. DX10 alone would have gotten people to upgrade. You just wouldn't see Symantec and pals reselling their old products in shiny new Vista versions.
I for one will be buying a new Quad-Core rig with a NVIDIA 8800GTX to run Crysis and other DX10 titles... well I will do if I can save up the thousands of dollars.
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#2 Posted by Kushan on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:32
- Every day there seems to be a new report claiming Vista is either the greatest thing since sliced Windows ME, or a complete disaster. I think the only thing we know for sure is that it's just going to take time and then we'll see.
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#2.1 Posted by lbmouse on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:42
- Quote - Kushan said @ #2Every day there seems to be a new report claiming Vista is either the greatest thing since sliced Windows ME, or a complete disaster. I think the only thing we know for sure is that it's just going to take time and then we'll see.
Just remember that companies like IDC can only stay in business by stirring up controversy, exaggerating claims counter to others, and basically just spreading FUD. It was just a few years ago that IDC reported that the only way MS can benefit the industry was to be broken up. Take these "reports" with a grain of salt. -
#2.3 Posted by excalpius on 11 Dec 2006 - 21:02
- To the end user, Vista is simply a very polished, nicely fine tuned/updated version of XP with a fancy new GUI. So, if you thought it was going to be a revolution, you would be disappointed...though once you use it, you will come away quite impressed in a day to day way.
Given all that...it isn't, by any stretch of the imagination, worth the ridiculous upgrade price they want to charge for Vista Media Center, er, Ultimate. Not even close.
I'm running the RTM as an eval side by side with another matching XP machine, and I definitely prefer working day to day with Vista already. However, the very slight differences are worth maybe $100 to me, not $400!!!
Business has no reason to upgrade at all, so they'll buy replacement XP machines for the first 1/2 of 2007, then Vista machines as replacements the lact 1/2 of 2007. When enough machines have been replaced in 2008 (and once the tires are kicked/SP1 is out), they might switch whole hog, but I don't see that as necessary either. I'm running a hybrid environment as part of this test and I don't see any compelling business reason to upgrade to Vista any faster than via end of life system replacements.
To most people, Vista is just XP+.
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#3 Posted by XP-RTM on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:39
- All I know is that back when XP came out people were saying a lot of bad things about it "Im sticking to '98" while i was one of the first ones to swtich, and Im glad i did. Now is the same all over, Vista this and Vista that, for me Vista works 90% the other 10% it doesnt because of drivers and minor issues (like mouse lagging/skipping sometimes), but once they are released it should work 100% fine
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#3.1 Posted by AMDMEFX-55 on 11 Dec 2006 - 16:52
- Exactly everyone told me it sucked. The only problem I had was 3dfx drivers but I found some hacked ones anyways. Then like two weeks later everyone bought Xp and begged me to install it for them.
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#3.2 Posted by Eredain on 11 Dec 2006 - 17:20
- xp was like 2000 for games and that helped a lot to spread it, but vista is "like" xp with a pretty desktop and lots of new requirements. If people try to use aero then they will return to xp because of the loss of efficiency for games. For business is less likely to see a full implementation seeing like lots of them are still using 2000 or 98.
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#3.3 Posted by Jugalator on 11 Dec 2006 - 18:29
- Quote -but vista is "like" xp with a pretty desktop and lots of new requirements
This depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking for a vastly improved security model from the bottom up or an improved 3D engine, finer control over power saving features, improved wireless networking, it's more than a new skin with increased system requirements.Quote -If people try to use aero then they will return to xp because of the loss of efficiency for games.
Not sure I understand this part; are you saying Aero will increase the resource usage for games? In that case -- the DWM (and hence, Aero) can be disabled and it will instantly free up the memory (about 20-50 MB or so) Aero used. It's not that much of a resource hog since the post-beta optimizations anyway, but purists can do that. I also heard something in Vista's infancy that it would unload the desktop (unlike XP) to free up extra memory when playing games, but not sure what happened to that and if that feature is still in.
Personally I haven't felt much of a degraded performance when experimenting with a Vista RTM copy, and that's on my 2.6 GHz P4 on 1 GB.
And no business should be using Windows 98. Well, unless it's a business you run from home that's not internet connected. Win 98 is totally unrelated to security or business-grade reliability.
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#4 Posted by eilegz on 11 Dec 2006 - 18:43
- 98 its still the best OS for games but anyways vista its a good improvement but its not a big deal if u r using XP, yeah many things its improved but licensing and price its not good at all, microsoft its showing more and more greed and annoyance.
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#4.1 Posted by Croquant on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:01
- Quote - eilegz said @ #498 its still the best OS for games but anyways vista its a good improvement but its not a big deal if u r using XP, yeah many things its improved but licensing and price its not good at all, microsoft its showing more and more greed and annoyance.
98 is buggy as hell compared to Win2k or WinXP, so I don't know why you say 98 is best for games. You enjoy recovering from BSODs? -
#4.2 Posted by XerXis on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:29
- Quote - eilegz said @ #498 its still the best OS for games but anyways vista its a good improvement but its not a big deal if u r using XP, yeah many things its improved but licensing and price its not good at all, microsoft its showing more and more greed and annoyance.
erm, right, let's just pretend you never said that -
#4.3 Posted by hapbt on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:41
- Heh I think they must be referring to their old DOS games... you can run those in DosBox you know, on almost any platform...
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#4.4 Posted by Galley on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:40
- Quote - Croquant said @ #4.1Quote - eilegz said @ #498 its still the best OS for games but anyways vista its a good improvement but its not a big deal if u r using XP, yeah many things its improved but licensing and price its not good at all, microsoft its showing more and more greed and annoyance.
98 is buggy as hell compared to Win2k or WinXP, so I don't know why you say 98 is best for games. You enjoy recovering from BSODs?
He's probably referring to the good old days when PC games came with a FREE BSOD in every package!
It's too bad they discontinued that program when XP came out.
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#5 Posted by hapbt on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:40
- The cost of the operating system used on every PC in industry has an effect just like the cost of gasoline in every truck in the transportation industry -- a negative effect. Microsoft is creating new support issues and raising prices across the board, but they want us all to know how great it is financially for them. Thanks. How about an article 'High oil prices to help Saudi Arabia's business partners' ?
Hey Bill for your next act of charity -- why don't you GIVE us all a BREAK.
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#5.1 Posted by dugbug on 11 Dec 2006 - 19:45
- Quote - hapbt said @ #5The cost of the operating system used on every PC in industry has an effect just like the cost of gasoline in every truck in the transportation industry -- a negative effect. Microsoft is creating new support issues and raising prices across the board, but they want us all to know how great it is financially for them.
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#5.2 Posted by +Octol on 11 Dec 2006 - 20:52
- Yeah, especially if it's gasoline that they're drinking!
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#5.3 Posted by C_Guy on 12 Dec 2006 - 16:41
- Oh! And what software of yours is on over 90% of desktops worldwide? Oh, that's right, none.
And what great charitable contributions have you made? Nothing on the scale of Bill Gates? Oh, ok.
Too bad Neowin can't force users to be sober and sane before posting.
Just for the record, Bill Gates doesn't owe you anything so get over yourself.
"If there's a surprising thing to people, it's how extensively a Microsoft piece of software ripples out through the ecosystem," said John Gantz, one of the IDC analysts who wrote the report. "Microsoft, as a software vendor, casts a bigger shadow than its revenues." IDC analysts Al Gillen and Marcel Warmerdam co-wrote the report, released today, which was commissioned by Microsoft. The report also says that 35 percent to 45 percent of new PCs that ship to enterprises in 2007 will run Vista. "Some thought [adoption] would move faster," Gantz said. "But to me, that's relatively quick."