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Microsoft Seeks Patent Covering Web Feed Readers

Slimy   on 22 December 2006 - 09:47 · 28 comments & 7703 views

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Thanks to Hurmoth for posting this in BPN.

18 months ago, Microsoft filed for two patents relating to the organization and reading of syndicated Web feeds. Yes, that includes Really Simple Syndication (RSS) feeds. One of these patents covers "finding and consuming Web subscriptions in a Web browser.” Naturally, people like Dave Winer (a self-described co-inventor of RSS) is not amused. "This should be denounced by everyone who has contributed anything to the success of RSS." By contrast, Nick Bradbury (behind the HTML editor HomeSite and the RSS reader FeedDemon) believes that "companies like Microsoft often file patents to prevent having to shell out millions of dollars to predatory lawyers who haven't invented anything other than a legal pain in the ass."

In actuality, Redmond filed for the patents on June 21, 2005 but they have been made public by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office today. RSS is easily the standard for many Internet users who want to quickly skim through the latest headlines of their favourite websites.

News source: c|net's News.com

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#1 billyea on 22 Dec 2006 - 09:53
Does this mean Firefox can't have integrated RSS if this is true?
(7 replies) #2 hotdog963al on 22 Dec 2006 - 10:25
*Hits Microsoft with a stick*
#2.1 g0wg on 22 Dec 2006 - 10:29
Why a stick? Why not a log, or maybe the whole tree?

on a side note. How come a company can file for patents even after several other companies have been using the concept covered by the patent?
#2.2 Maxious on 22 Dec 2006 - 11:05
Quote - g0wg said @ #2.1
Why a stick? Why not a log, or maybe the whole tree?

on a side note. How come a company can file for patents even after several other companies have been using the concept covered by the patent?


They're meant to declare/not patent things that have prior art. For example, a 30 second search for "rss feed reader" found "FeedReader 2.5 Alpha 522 (2003-02-20 16:00)" on sourceforge. Thats considerably earlier

In the United States, inventors and their patent agents or attorneys are required by law to submit any prior art they are aware of to the United States Patent and Trademark Office so that the patent examiner can take the prior art into account when examining the patent application.

If prior art is discovered after a patent issues, it can be used to invalidate the patent. This can be done by a reexamination proceeding in the U.S., or an opposition proceeding in Europe or Japan.
#2.3 Emphatic on 22 Dec 2006 - 13:08
Quote - Maxious said @ #2.2
They're meant to declare/not patent things that have prior art. For example, a 30 second search for "rss feed reader" found "FeedReader 2.5 Alpha 522 (2003-02-20 16:00)" on sourceforge. Thats considerably earlier


And also not in a web browser...

#2.4 AfroTrance on 22 Dec 2006 - 14:26
Quote - Emphatic said @ #2.3
And also not in a web browser...


I'm sure Opera and Firefox had RSS feed readers before July 2005. And no public versions of IE had RSS feed readers at the same time.
#2.5 Swordnyx on 22 Dec 2006 - 15:59
Quote - AfroTrance said @ #2.4
Quote - Emphatic said @ #2.3
And also not in a web browser...


I'm sure Opera and Firefox had RSS feed readers before July 2005. And no public versions of IE had RSS feed readers at the same time.


Yeah but they never bought the patent.
#2.6 AfroTrance on 22 Dec 2006 - 16:48
Quote - Swordnyx said @ #2.5
Yeah but they never bought the patent.


And?

I might just pattern the use of having a "text format bar located above a text input box for a web page based forum". Maybe no one has patterned it before?
#2.7 Emphatic on 23 Dec 2006 - 13:18
Quote - AfroTrance said @ #2.4
Quote - Emphatic said @ #2.3
And also not in a web browser...


I'm sure Opera and Firefox had RSS feed readers before July 2005. And no public versions of IE had RSS feed readers at the same time.


After a quick look around; Opera did introduce a RSS reader earlier but it again was not built into the browser but the mail client; http://www.moztips.com/index.php?id=159 . I'm not sure on Firefox.
#3 vetnw_raptor on 22 Dec 2006 - 11:04
Just... boooooooooo.

Unfortunately, this site's rules will not allow me to express my fury to its fullest
#4 Chicane-UK on 22 Dec 2006 - 11:04
On one side Microsoft keep banging about how they've "changed" and then on the other side the evidence like this continues to build proving that if anything they're getting worse.

Shame on you Microsoft.
(2 replies) #5 Julius Caro on 22 Dec 2006 - 11:39
Didn't they filed a patent for FAT filesystem too?

This is why I hate software patents.
#5.1 theyarecomingforyou on 22 Dec 2006 - 12:46
Yes, quite understandable considering that they developed it and all.
#5.2 Mathiasdm on 22 Dec 2006 - 15:32
Quote - theyarecomingforyou said @ #5.1
Yes, quite understandable considering that they developed it and all.

Didn't they file the patent while it was already being used by nearly all portable devices?
(1 reply) #6 markukcouk on 22 Dec 2006 - 11:41
Most of the people here are clearly a bit special...

"By contrast, Nick Bradbury (behind the HTML editor HomeSite and the RSS reader FeedDemon) believes that "companies like Microsoft often file patents to prevent having to shell out millions of dollars to predatory lawyers who haven't invented anything other than a legal pain in the ass." "

Two sides to every story. They are protecting themselves, without (I guess) any intention of suing anybody!

I'm sure if some RSS inventor started suing MS you'd all be loving it.

Grow up.

When MS do bad, I hate them as much as the next bloke, but this really isn't bad.
#6.1 AfroTrance on 22 Dec 2006 - 14:24
Someone's a bit defensive...
(2 replies) #7 lbmouse on 22 Dec 2006 - 14:13
Wish MS would practice what they once preached:
Quote -
"If people had understood how patents would be granted when most of today's ideas were invented and had taken out patents, the industry would be at a complete standstill today...A future start-up with no patents of its own will be forced to pay whatever price the giants choose to impose." ~ Bill Gates, 1991 Internal Memo

It is amazing what a few Billion dollars will turn you into:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/31/business...and&emc=rss

Software patents = Evil

Last edited by lbmouse on 22 Dec 2006 - 14:21
#7.1 Swordnyx on 22 Dec 2006 - 16:02
Yep.
#7.2 Emphatic on 23 Dec 2006 - 13:22
Or more likely they realised if they didn't start ramping up the number of patents they had they'd be screwed; the companies like MS and IBM tend to use them like trump cards after all; we'll let you do X if you let us do Y.
#8 supernova_00 on 22 Dec 2006 - 14:51
Well how about that, even after Firefox let MS used their RSS icon to be used in IE7 and Vista. what a shame
#9 Mathiasdm on 22 Dec 2006 - 15:33
Funny thing... Seeing as RSS only got included in IE at version 7.

Lame, actually...
#10 redwingsmonk on 22 Dec 2006 - 15:47
Microsoft's favorite song is " every company in the world to me" by Lionel Richie *hint the change from woman to company* Microsoft main goal has always been to take over the world!!!! Muwahahahaha!
(2 replies) #11 majortom1981 on 22 Dec 2006 - 15:55
You do realise microsoft handed in the application 2 years ago and this only relates to rss feeds in browsers.

Oh i forgot people are bashing microsoft for the fun of it now.

Also this is a patent that covers viewing rss feeds and formating them inside the browser itself. Firefox at that time you needed an extension to do it, firefox didnt do it natively.

Last edited by majortom1981 on 22 Dec 2006 - 16:10
#11.1 +azcodemonkey on 22 Dec 2006 - 16:55
The extension would still qualify as prior art as it is displaying RSS feeds within a browser.
#11.2 Emphatic on 23 Dec 2006 - 13:23
Quote - azcodemonkey said @ #11.1
The extension would still qualify as prior art as it is displaying RSS feeds within a browser.


That is probably a false assumption.
(2 replies) #12 sorlag on 22 Dec 2006 - 16:00
Not all companys register patents to generate money... at least not all patents...
Companys like Microsoft need to patent things not to sue peoples, but to protect from being sued through another patent holder that is out for money...
#12.1 Ideas Man on 23 Dec 2006 - 01:56
Yep, a good example of this is eolas.
#12.2 m0nty on 23 Dec 2006 - 22:27
then make software patents void and illegal.. end of problem. nobody can sue for money then. and open source wouldn't be attacked by the corporations..

you like your freedom.. lol freedom of speech etc.. nothing is free, you aren't free, it all comes at a price!!!

i'm gonna file a patent for the use of the english language.. i'm pretty sure that hasn't been patented before.

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