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Nope, I'm pretty sure we're not

im waiting for the

"but M$ has never produced anything a rational human being would consider an operating system."

Steve Jobs strikes again! Aparently 90%+ of computer users are not rational human beings.

as far as im conserned, you might as well say that XP was good enough as it offered the stuff people need and was stable... vista is the first windows version to the public that never really offers anything major over the current windows version, which is WindowsXP.... and unless they come up with something major which i doubt since there aint much else u can do with current pc's then i doubt there worth upgrading to.... although im sure in a while everyone will be pretty much forced to update to Windows Vista... but this is the first time i dont really care about the "next version of windows".... since xp does everything i want it to do and it does it well and XP is really stable.

Nothing major? Are you like smoking crack or something? Windows Vista is intended to be a technology-based release, to provide a solid base to include advanced technologies, many of which will be related to how the system functions, and hence not readily visible to the user.

The security, the developer technologies, the business technologies, the core technology. Theres a hell of a lot of major upgrades in vista from xp. So please stop the vista is just xp with a skin. Theres a lot more than the average joe will realize. But if you dig in, you will find them.

Vista is a big milestone on the road to Vienna, and many of the technologies you will find in vista will be upgraded and be made better for Vienna.

If you don't want to upgrade to Vista don't. Nobody is forcing you to and nobody will be forced to until 2010 [when xp's support finishes and activation/wga for it is disabled]

If you are into PC gaming, you will be forced to switch a lot earlier than 2010.

Wait! In a free and open market (which we're in), no one is actually forced to do or buy anything.

But often this is all that matters, especially for home users.
For business users, there are many arguments for the upgrade, managibility and security are the first that come to mind. Even with these arguments, I don't see businesses clamoring to install Vista right away. Wait 'til service packs are out and more extensive driver support IMO.

You forgot the most important one for big corporations, compatibility.
Not everyone buys Microsoft software for everything. All the other software, especially in-house developed, needs to be able to run on it as well. Businesses with 50 people and not having much requirements wouldn't have a problem upgrading the software. But what about businesses with 50.000 and more?

me personally i dont really see a need for a new "major" OS anytime within 5 years MINIMUM anyways... i think 2 years would be rather pointless and un-nessesary ... cause like i said before XP is already "good enough" for pretty much everyone.

all vista really is if u ask me is a more bloated version of windows XP with a slightly different interface and they want to charge u hundreds of dollars for it... ill use common sence and avoid Windows Vista for a while.... but when is all said and done eventually Vista will become the standard so we will basically be forced to upgrade eventually .

yeah yeah yeah, you said it before, we heard you! now cut the crap please

And This will finally be the year of the linux desktop? Come on. For how long have we heard this?

linux? dont believe the hype. the fact that a Terminal app even appears in the prgrams list is enough to scare away the average user

Yeah.... right...

I'd say if Linux is still being developed in 8-10 years then, sure, I think it'll become the main OS people use. I hope that's the case cos open source is good.

OS X has a better chance than Linux. It's powerful, secure AND user-friendly, with bundled killer apps. The average Joe doesn't have to worry about configurations and workarounds.

Some rock solid thinking here then...

You've tried ubuntu on vmware so that makes you qualified to predict that linux will take over the desktop market

and how will OS X ever significantly increase market share while it is tied to Apple hardware. Even without that the business world has to great an investment in windows and windows based apps to change.

Linux? Ha ha ha, yeah ok. Care to put some money on that?

Thank you for saying this much at least. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind would expect me to spend $1000-2000+ for half-assed performance and to use OSX. It just isn't gonna happen. I've seen all the Mac prices and yuck! My computer was purchased for such a fraction of the price (custom built too) 3 years ago, and it still runs faster than anything I can buy from Apple NOW for the same price. Ridiculous.

For the most part, the people working on the next version of Windows aren't working on Vista SPs.

Ahhh, that clears up matters

Thanks Brandon

They're going to price themselves out of the market pretty soon, though.

Not while there's little or no choice in the market.

yeh 200usd for an os which will last you at least 3 years and you will use every single time you turn on your computer, is soooo expensive. Such a huge ripoff from ms....

Stop looking at ultimates price and going OMG VISTA IS SOO EXPENSIVE! First list every single feature in ultimate that you will use and then say that you need ultimate. Most people, like you, will not need it and hence can survive with Home Premium/Home Basic/Business.

Yeah, it's sad that people just assume they need Ultiamte when most of them probably won't use all the features. Ultiamte is "so" expenseive because Microsoft put so much more into it. But they realized its nto fair to charge customers for features they're not going to use so they came out with different editions.

No matter what they do, some people will just never be happy with Microsoft and that's just plain ignorance.