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Google, British Military Discuss Google Earth Use in Attacks

Slimy   on 17 January 2007 - 03:08 · 25 comments & 8123 views

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Google is talking with military agencies after learning that terrorists attacking British bases in Basra, Iraq, appear to have been using aerial footage from Google Earth. It appears that among documents seized in raids on insurgents' homes, were printouts from Google Earth showing the location of buildings, tents, latrines and lightly armored vehicles. Precise longitude and latitude coordinates were also going to be used in the attacks.

"This is evidence, as far as we are concerned, for planning terrorist attacks. We believe they use Google Earth to identify the most vulnerable areas, such as tents," said an intelligence officer with the Royal Green Jackets battle group.

A few Royal Green Jackets soldiers have said they would consider suing Google if they were injured in an attack possible because of Google Earth.

Google’s response to the problem: "Of course we are always ready to listen to governments' requests. We have opened channels with the military in Iraq, but we are not prepared to discuss what we have discussed with them. But we do listen and we are sensitive to requests."

News source: News.com

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#1 hotrod on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:21
It only makes sense that you put somewhat of a aerial survailance tool in the hands of terrorists, they're going to use it! DUH! there's something to be said about the ability of anyone around the globe being able to go to the internet and acquire detailed aerial photos along with precise coordinates of almost any region of the planet... i've wondered since this was released what was keeping it from being used in this manner.
(3 replies) #2 Co_Co on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:22
They'll probably end up restricting the amount of detail you can zoom into for sensitive areas.
#2.1 zivan56 on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:44
They already have this. I noticed in the US you can't zoom in on some military objects.
#2.2 Croquant on 17 Jan 2007 - 07:06
Quote - (zivan56 said @ #2.1)
They already have this. I noticed in the US you can't zoom in on some military objects.

You have to understand that Google Earth is made up of a composite of various sources. Most of the data you see on Google Earh comes from public or commercialy available satalite services, but around urban areas and other points of interest the data is supplemented by aerial photography. Naturally, the military doesn't permit commerical operators to fly though (much less photograph over) restricted military airspace. So, when you try and zoom in on most military installations (there are a few exceptions) in Ggogle Earth the level of detail is not as good as it may be in other places.

Nobody's deleting or withholding the relevant images, OK? There's just not any aerial photography available for those kinds of sites, for obvious reasons.
#2.3 zivan56 on 18 Jan 2007 - 00:44
Quote - (Croquant said @ #2.2)
Nobody's deleting or withholding the relevant images, OK? There's just not any aerial photography available for those kinds of sites, for obvious reasons.


Actually, they are. If you zoom in some bases, you will see large squares missing with everything surrounding it for miles fully zoom able.
(1 reply) #3 MaceX on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:26
How could the soldiers sue google? The program is only a vehicle to displaying aerial photos taken from other organizations.
#3.1 linx05 on 17 Jan 2007 - 04:29
That's exactly right. So some hot shot lawyer can say that without Google Earth, the terrorists probably wouldn't have the information to attack. He/she could say Google Earth was a vehicle in getting this attack going. Sucks.
#4 Arcticflare on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:30
Brings new meaning to the term 'googlebombing'.
(2 replies) #5 Civisi on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:34
"I'm going to sue Wal-Mart! They sold me a screw-driver that impaled my foot when I dropped it!"

"I'm going to sue McDonald's! I ate there every day for 10 years and now the man from the Scooter Store is my best friend!"

"I'm going to sue God! He gave me these eyes, and I used them to scout for strategic bombing targets!"

"I'm going to sue myself! I made me think these awful things!"

Once again, freedom and technology is impaired/crippled/denied/restricted/etc.
#5.1 shockz on 17 Jan 2007 - 05:26
Lame analogy... try again.
#5.2 +ChocIST on 18 Jan 2007 - 11:18
no thats just the stupid american way of thinking.

ChocIST
#6 Croquant on 17 Jan 2007 - 03:37
The level of detail you can get from Google Eath is not what I would call tactically sensitive information. Anything deemed classified by the military is in a building or at least a tent, and the really secret stuff is in an underground bunker or a "black ops" warehouse somewhere. If it's unlucky enough to have been outside when the Google Earth lens was snapping, it's likely gonna be so small and pixeleated that you will have are hard time telling it apart from a rock or a tree.
If it's the general layout of the base you are after, I'm sure there's better ways to go about getting that than looking at a blurry Google Earth image. I have no idea what those better ways would be, but really; How hard could it be? Hell, you can probably find all that in the Jane's Information Group database anyways, so why all the noise over Google Earth?
(2 replies) #7 schwit on 17 Jan 2007 - 04:26
Let'em sue as long as they and their lawyers can be flogged if the suit is determined to be frivolous.
#7.1 Primexx on 17 Jan 2007 - 04:32
Quote - (schwit said @ #7)
Let'em sue as long as they and their lawyers can be flogged if the suit is determined to be frivolous.
The lawyers would have to do the bidding of the client regardless of their personal beliefs. flogging them for doing what they're obliged to do is just stupid.
#7.2 Lovell on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:04
There not going to sue, that whole sentence is poorly written, some journalist probably took what they said out of context or they were probably joking etc.
#8 mrmckeb on 17 Jan 2007 - 05:41
When Google made this information more available, it meant that threats would rise. Google has known this all along.
(3 replies) #9 obsolete_power on 17 Jan 2007 - 05:53
Oh f this!!! Just because some terrorist assholes decide to use any tools as aid in their immature attacks means that they may jeopardize the tools existenece??? Does this mean that if some boob decides to hijack a plane, airplane travel has to be banned?? NO! It will happen anyways so just never do anything to stop them because they will always find something else! Stupid British military....
#9.1 Lovell on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:08
Yes stupid British military because they're speaking to Google about getting their bases blacked out to stop mortars, ****ing retard.
#9.2 Croquant on 17 Jan 2007 - 07:23
Do you know how hard it is to use a mortar and how freeking hard it is to conceal? You've obviously never been a soildier, so let me tell you: It's not that simple.
You would have about as much chance of successfully executing a mortar attack against a British army base using just Google Earth data as you have of walking your way across the Atlantic. In short, it would be suicidal and pointless. Take my word for it: You'd be shot dead long before you got anywhere near being in range to launch your mortars. No, if a terrorist ever does try to use a mortar to carry out a terrorist attack against a western military installation, you can bet that Goggle Earth will NOT be his prime source of intelligence data. I mean, just how stupid do you think they are?
#9.3 +Smigit on 17 Jan 2007 - 09:18
I can just see it. The terrorist launching some large scale mortar attack only to find out the camp site was packed up and shifted 2 weeks earlier and the satellite data was out of date.
#10 MrCobra on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:19
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It appears that among documents seized in raids on insurgents' homes


Insurgents? Why not just out and call them spineless terrorists? That's what they are.
#11 +Berserk on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:53
OMG MY HOUSE IS ON THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!








#12 PsyOpWarlord on 17 Jan 2007 - 06:53
I fail to see how this is Googles fault or problem. If the British goverment wanted certain photos blanked out of their assets when you get to a certain zoom resolution level they should have asked instead of whining after the fact they get caugh with their pants down.

There are numerous places that Google has already removed from its detailed reslution maps at Goverment request. Googles not mind readers and do not employ people to review all maps for the chance that something "MIGHT" have been photographed from space that people didn't want published. They just take third party maps and incorperate it intop their product/software.

I know Google does listen to goverment request as I can find numerous places that are blanked out at certain resolutions due to national security concerns. But all those places were properly thought of in advance instead of waiting until after the fact.
#13 Aokromes on 17 Jan 2007 - 09:19
O yeah what a joke, google earth on my city has data from 5 or 6 years ago, they update the photos each 15m on irak? or Moscow city info is arround 2003.
#14 The_Decryptor on 17 Jan 2007 - 15:52
Why did these people never complain about it when it was still Keyhole?, or all the other freely available sources of satellite and aerial photo's, nobody seemed to care until Google released Earth.

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