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Isnt that limited to music?

And being a Canucklehead, I object to the use of "Canuckistan" as it denotes some kind of Communistic Republic. You may be unaware that our country is headed by a minority Conservative government for the last six months or so, by all signs headed to a majority Conservative government by summer, and even when the Liberal Party was in power, they are the CENTRIST party in Canada. If you want true left-wing-pseudo Communist, you have to go to the New Democrat Party, currently looking at about 5% support in the polls. A distant third.

Ok, no "Canuchistan" so how about "America Junior"?

or the 51st state?

Oops, someone forgot to check facts before opening their mouth again.

Stealing in Canada is... yep, stealing. It's a crime and it's not Ok.

The difference is, in Canada, ISPs are not required to share their customer information with authorities on suspected activity unless it is other areas like suspected kiddie porn.

Just because Canadians can't really be caught (for now) doesn't mean its not a crime.

Neither America Junior nor the 51st state are any better than Canuckistan as Canadians are fundamentally different than Americans socially speaking.

But file sharing is not stealing

It depends what you are sharing doesn't it

Actually it doesn't denote anything related to communism, it just means "place"

Call me weird... but I lawl'ed a bit at "Canuckistan."

Now that's funny stuff!!!! Those wacky, wacky Canucks!!!

Exactly. Just because there were a few Soviet republics (Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan), it doesn't give *stan any communist connection. Pakistan is an example.

Downloading for personal use is not illegal in Canada. We pay a tariff on recordable media that is given to the artists in question. Smoking Cuban cigars is a crime in the USA while it isn't up here as well.

Exactly. It was ruled that downloading music is no different than going to the library and photocopying a book that you need; not illegal. Plus, since we are forced to pay the copyright levy, it fully justifies downloading any music we want.

Btw, the "stan" prefix means "home of" in Persian, so I fail to see how this is insulting, maybe the people who posted that should educate themselves before talking.

In regards to the file sharing of music, you are wrong.

The Copyright Act contains a special exception for "private copying": it permits the copying of music files "onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy", but does not permit copying for the purpose of "distributing" or "communicating to the public by telecommunication" (s.80). It is generally accepted that downloading music for personal use is legal under this section. However, the record industry disputes this on the basis that a computer's hard drive does not constitute an "audio recording medium".

According to the Federal Court, in a decision issued by Justice von Finckenstein on March 31, 2004, neither downloading a song for personal use nor merely making that file available to others to download from your computer (without some more active sharing activity) amounts to infringement under Canadian copyright law. The court ruled that "the mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to distribution" or "authorization of the reproduction of sound recordings" under the Copyright Act. However, this decision has been appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal, so the issue remains in legal limbo. See CIPPIC's webpage on File-sharing lawsuits for more information on this case.

SquareSoftO said,#1.4]or the 51st state?
Neither America Junior nor the 51st state are any better than Canuckistan as Canadians are fundamentally different than Americans socially speaking.


Stop bashing Canadians here, it is way out of context. We are proud to be called Canadians. Please get on with the topic of discussion and not digress to stoke needless opinions. This is a good forum.
Peter

SquareSoftO said,#1.4]or the 51st state?
Neither America Junior nor the 51st state are any better than Canuckistan as Canadians are fundamentally different than Americans socially speaking.


Stop bashing Canadians here, it is way out of context. We are proud to be called Canadians. Please get on with the topic of discussion and not digress to stoke needless opinions. This is a good forum.
Peter

I'm not, I AM Canadian myself. Canadians do tend to behave differently from Americans in a social aspect, and that's my point for why "America Junior" or "The 51st State" are such inappropriate terms.

Yes and no.

There admittedly ARE non-Soviet "stan" republics.

But common colloquial usage of a fake "stan" like "Canuckistan" does tend to denote such a Communist locale. The colloquial usage does of course differ from a proper dictionary definition, but that isn't at all unusual for a colloquial term.

Hate tp say it, but this is probably true. Most of the e-mailed people actually downloading stuff probably were using public torrent sites, and not using IP filtering such as Protowall, PeerGuardian, ipfilter.dat or the like.

All this is likely to do is to change HOW they download stuff and from where, not IF they do...

how true.

I heard it had something to do with how each country got started. American Revolution vs. Confederation, would explain why Americans are naturally a bit more aggressive. So legal companies are getting more aggressive there too and it's an arms race between them and the smart pirate.

Um Canadians are Americans...

You couldn't be more wrong, so I'll pretend you didn't even say it.

You really have no clue what neufuse is talking about, do you? Why do citizens of the US refer to themselves as the ONLY Americans? Canada and Mexico (as well as others) are part of the same America too. Get it yet? We really need to start spending more money on education.

Perhaps you are technically right, but I think you'd have to be a massive idiot to think when someone mentions Americans and you think someone from Mexico or Canada. Mexicans, and Canadians. What are they are called? United Statesions? They are Americans and only them, perhaps you should spend less time being a smartass and actually paying attention to the world.

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I was just helping the lad (the one that said,"You couldn't be more wrong, so I'll pretend you didn't even say it." ) understand that neufuse wasn't making an insult towards Canadians.

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"We really need to start spending more money on education."

Are you first in line for that funding?

American citizens and Canadian citizens are... *gasp*... citizens of different countries?! Wow!

And no one said Neufuse was making insults.

That was always my theory explaining the fundamental social differences between America and Canada. A necessary difference in the countres' origins that got ingrained in their respective national psyche.

While I knew that, and usually go into a rant myself about how American's call themselves American
when America is a continent and not the name of their country, at the time of posting that I'll admit
it didn't cross my mind he was referring to the continent and not the generally accepted name for
people who are from the USA, and while I was nowhere near insulted by -neufuse-, thanks for trying
to clear that up.

With all due respect, where one is from dictates how one generally interprets who "American" applies to.

Yes, technically speaking, the majority of the western hemisphere's population can be called "American", and it wouldn't necessarily be incorrect to do so.

However, it is by no means just citizens of the US refer to themselves as the ONLY Americans. As possibly evidenced from JaredFrost's comment, many Canadians may resent being called "American", most often in order to differentiate themselves from the US. Numerous other countries around the world apply "American" to just the U.S.

On the flip side of things, many in Latin America are offended that "American" doesn't apply across-the-board (US travelers are often instructed to not refer to themselves as "American", as people there consider themselves Americans as well & may view it as an offensive hijacking of the word). And just the same, numerous other countries around the world apply "American" to the people of both N. & S. American continents.


Geographical semantics... no one is going to win this one.

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We're called U.S. citizens... Like Canadian and Mexican citizens. Don't forget all the people in Brazil, Chile, et al are Americans too!

Hardly. We have our own culture and social standards. Canadians live longer on average and we have a better educational system (USA 18th place, Canada 4th place in world), and our society is far less violent as well. Out of 32 to 36 million people we have only around 500 murders per year on average and that is on decline.

That's NORTH America. There is also SOUTH America as well. Those are their PROPER names, Part of the Americas. They're TWO continents. Americans should study a bit more geography.

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@Xero

I am sorry that I disparaged you. You are not an asshat (don't know you). Sorry, but 'Americans' are anyone from the western hemisphere (north, central, or southern). That was I was trying to educate the lad about.

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Just an interesting fact behind the sensitivity with the term 'American' in Spanish-speaking regions of the Americas, there is a seperate word used, "estadounidense" (Los Estados Unidos = The United States) that literally translates to something like "United Statesion" and is considered more proper and specific than "americano".

our public school is garbage no matter where you go. seriously.

50% pass and incompetent unprofessional "teachers". i left high school because it was wasting my time academically.

no americans are united states citizens --> see popular vernacular definitions inherent in non dead languages (such as latin).

when people in china/france/turkey/timbuktu say "american" they mean united states citizens, not canadians or mexicans.


to further emphasize the difference:
terrorists release canadian hostages, they behead american hostages. see isn't that easy then?

In Puerto Rico we call them Gringos, Yankees, "Estadounidenses" (something like Unitedstaters) and North Americans (sorry Canadians, we don't mean to offend). But is common knowledge that those who reside in te Americas, be it North, South, Central or Latin, are all americans.

Mr.Ed

To be honest, I personally find most game demos are pretty poor at demonstrating the full game. As an example, I got a demo of the Sims 2 with my PC Mag which I tried to see what the fuss was about - all you could do was create a 3D character, and change their outfits a little bit. I've seen free Flash games online that do more than that, and this was supposed to be demonstrating a popular commercial game...

I was thinking the same thing...

People have been put into prison for less...

Just another case of "Its fine when officials does is, but god help us if anyone else does"

Maybe. This is going straight to Thunderbird's junk mail filter if I ever receive it.

Why SPAM bad? because a person sending out thousands of emails virtually uses a lot more of ISP's resources than he/she should; plus the inconvinience for the ones who receive it.

This case here is NOT spam, since these companies are ISP's and they own the network; they can choose any means available to them to commuicate with thier customers, including mass emails.

lol ******. if it wasn't for rogers throttling bittorrent traffic, i'd be up there with ya. down with rogers!!!!!!! time to hit up DSL again me thinks.

shaw isn't interested in being your father, they're interested in earning your money for the service they provide.



i had a an issue with an mmo not pinging through, so i called both tech supports. game company said it was shaw blocking the ip's, shaw said they don't block any ip ever, that's why people have firewalls.

And then of course there are the game companies that block use of the original CD/DVD if you have CD/DVD emulation software installed like Alcohol 120%, like Electronic Arts for example. Just because I use such software I had to download a crack for Black and White, which I legally owned and had in fact just bought. The disk was brand new.

Now getting mailed for downloading a FREE Linux distro? Ridiculous.

cool idea!

Glassed Silver:mac

Yes they can see what your downloading. They know exactly what your doing, from the time you start it, to the time you finish it. The total amount you've uploaded and/or downloaded.