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Steven Parker   on 23 February 2007 - 13:00 · 33 comments & 12207 views

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A man who allegedly uploaded a copy of the film "Flushed Away" onto the Internet after getting a copy from an Oscar voter faces a felony charge. Salvador Nunez Jr., 27, was charged with copyright infringement and faces up to three years in prison if convicted. He was scheduled to appear in court March 1.

Prosecutors said he obtained a copy of the movie after it was sent in advanced to his sister, an Oscar voter and member of The International Animated Film Society.

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences received a tip in early January that someone put "Flushed Away" on the Internet, and a digital watermark identified it as an Academy screener film.

When interviewed by FBI agents, Nunez acknowledged he uploaded "Flushed Away" and the Oscar-nominated film "Happy Feet" onto the Internet, court documents said. However, investigators only found a copy of "Flushed Away" in his computer hard drive. "Flushed Away," won four prizes on Feb. 11 at the Annie Awards, honoring achievements in feature film and television animation.

News source: MSNBC

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(2 replies) #1 leesmithg on 23 Feb 2007 - 13:41
Some people are so stupid.

#1.1 Z3r0 on 24 Feb 2007 - 09:36
Indeed.

Best scenario is to either: 1. don't do any thing illegal

or 2. a. overwrite the data using axcrypts shredder and
b. should have stored it on an encrypted AES 128/256 hidden truecrypt partition (plausable deniability) with password and hash key on removal usb key.
c. used Vistas AES-128/256 bitlocker drive encryption with a removal USB key
d. in all cases password protected his PC.

3. made a copy and posted it to someone else or used Filezillas FTP TLS/SSL encryption to send it to someone else. Obviously seeding on a torrent is pointless as once the main tracker is found all the seeds/leechers IP addresses are compromised. Though if you have a dynamic IP address you still have some deniability.

No i'm not encouraging people to distribute copyrighted material, I think that it's wrong but I can understand why people do it.

Last edited by Z3r0 on 24 Feb 2007 - 09:44
#1.2 Astral on 24 Feb 2007 - 16:59
Agreed... looks like he "Flushed Away" his next 3 years potentially.
#2 Elite_graphix on 23 Feb 2007 - 13:46
it was a good funny movie..

thanks salvador...
(7 replies) #3 joshysquashy on 23 Feb 2007 - 13:55
if he acknowledged both films and they only found one of them, how did this happen? even if a file is deleted it can be recovered.

will he go to court for both films or only one?
#3.1 vetneufuse on 23 Feb 2007 - 18:09
a file is ONLY recoverable if its space on the drive is not overwritten...
#3.2 cyberdrone2000 on 23 Feb 2007 - 21:14
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.
#3.3 TC17 on 23 Feb 2007 - 21:35
Quote - (cyberdrone2000 said @ #3.2)
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.

And this right here is a bunch of BS in every way. FACT IS they can't even undelete something overwritten 3 times.

Please post your link for this proof of recovering something overwritten 1000 times.

Let me guess, you work for the RIAA/MPAA? Trying to promote your scare tactics.
#3.4 Laser_iCE on 23 Feb 2007 - 22:01
Quote - (TC17 said @ #3.3)
Quote - (cyberdrone2000 said @ #3.2)
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.

And this right here is a bunch of BS in every way. FACT IS they can't even undelete something overwritten 3 times.

Please post your link for this proof of recovering something overwritten 1000 times.

Let me guess, you work for the RIAA/MPAA? Trying to promote your scare tactics.


No... He watches NCIS.
#3.5 MaceX on 23 Feb 2007 - 22:48
Quote - (TC17 said @ #3.3)
Quote - (cyberdrone2000 said @ #3.2)
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.

And this right here is a bunch of BS in every way. FACT IS they can't even undelete something overwritten 3 times.

Please post your link for this proof of recovering something overwritten 1000 times.

Let me guess, you work for the RIAA/MPAA? Trying to promote your scare tactics.


Yeah I don't get this. When you empty your recycle bin, windows marks the file as unallocated space. This doesn't mean that the file is gone, it just means that the file is no longer recognized by the file system and can be written over. When this happens, there is no way you can recover that file once it has been totally written over.

If there was a way to recover a file after being written over 50 times I would think that you would see 50TB of data on a 50GB drive, which is obviously not the case.
#3.6 waxman830 on 23 Feb 2007 - 23:46
Quote - (cyberdrone2000 said @ #3.2)
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.


1000x, come on, I don't think so. But that is a good one.
#3.7 +Smigit on 25 Feb 2007 - 09:01
Quote - (TC17 said @ #3.3)
Quote - (cyberdrone2000 said @ #3.2)
Actually, you'd be surprised what can be done with today's technology. I've seen files recovered that were overwritten 1000x with random dummy data. I figure it has to do with magnetic intensity of the individual bits or something.

The point at which it is EASILY recoverable is before the space is overwritten. Then it just gets harder the more times you do it.

Send his drives to a data forensics specialist, and they'll find Happy Feet on there.

And this right here is a bunch of BS in every way. FACT IS they can't even undelete something overwritten 3 times.

Please post your link for this proof of recovering something overwritten 1000 times.

Let me guess, you work for the RIAA/MPAA? Trying to promote your scare tactics.

Not to mention that its not the same HD space being overwritten each time. Youll have data overlapping at different times for different files all over the place. You cant just roll back a segment of the hard drive by anything static if that was even possible as youd be overwriting the file at different times and varying amount of times. Simply put even if you could find what the 1000th bit of data was it would be impossible to piece together the happy feet movie because the other 99.9% of the movie wont be in its 1000th rewrite but its 7th or 2000th or whatever.

Can't be done.
#4 +badger face on 23 Feb 2007 - 13:59
Good to see morality getting one over on this kind of blatant disregard for the law
#5 ThePitt on 23 Feb 2007 - 14:16
that was suicidal...
#6 zeta_immersion on 23 Feb 2007 - 14:27
big mistake bud, you should have kept you big mouth shut ... even if you "upload" someting and you are not good at it you might as well keep quiet, you embarrass the rest of us
#7 baskingridge on 23 Feb 2007 - 14:55
What an idiot! Sorry, but it has to be said.
#8 acies on 23 Feb 2007 - 14:57
3 years in prison for uploading a movie!! What a waste.
#9 Sp3ctranova on 23 Feb 2007 - 15:04
Owned.
#10 C_Guy on 23 Feb 2007 - 16:04
Soon people will understand they can't just break the law and get away with it and stories like this won't have to be "news".

I mean, how many news headlines do you see that say "motorist issued ticket for speeding"?
#11 TRC on 23 Feb 2007 - 16:43
That was pretty stupid. What was he supposed to be gaining by doing that anyway? He also admitted to not only doing it but uploading another movie they knew nothing about.
(2 replies) #12 ThaCrip on 23 Feb 2007 - 18:17
i think 3 years in jail is a little steep cause reguardless if this guy got caught or not it was eventually gonna be uploaded anyways to the internet... some people might claim that a dvd screener being uploaded might hurt theater sales but i think even though it might be somewhat true , the bottom line is people who are gonna watch it in the theaters will watch it in the theaters, reguardless if this is leaked or not .... and the people who do download it probably aint gonna watch it in the theaters anyways.... so i think it aint really going to hurt sales as much as they claim it will.

for me ticket prices in theaters is rediculous nowadays anyways at that 7-8+ dollars per ticket... thats alot to ask when most movies aint worth it... some are but most aint.

thats why i rarely goto theaters anymore.... i think 5 dollars should be MAX you have to pay to see a (average) film (which are most scary movies as they churn those out 24/7 and most of em SUCK) in the theaters... cause they already shaft u a sh*tload of money from buying there overpriced popcorn/candy etc etc.
#12.1 sTIMPZ on 23 Feb 2007 - 22:40
the theater closest to me charges $9.75 to see a film...like $7.50 matinee. the theater down here at school (also a Regal cinema) charges $8.50. it's outrageous that i have to pay nearly $10 to go see a movie at home.
#12.2 hash on 24 Feb 2007 - 08:43
Quote - (ThaCrip said @ #12)
cause they already shaft u a sh*tload of money from buying there overpriced popcorn/candy etc etc.


while i agree the ticket prices are too high and the concessions are too high and the total cost for even 2 people to go to the movies outweighs the actual "value" or "novelty" of going to the movies, in all fairness having worked in a movie theater in the not too distant past i can at least offer the information that ticket prices are pretty much set by the movie studios, and the theaters retain only a small portion of ticket sale revenue.. they have to charge high prices on the food items to pay the employees, since that is their main source of revenue

if i've got to pay to see a movie, i'd rather turn on the cable company's video on demand service and get some new release for $3.99 and watch it in the comfort of my own home, with my own freshly popped microwave popcorn (not theater popcorn that can sit there for up to 3-4 days during a slow period, with fake, nasty butter [it's not actually butter]), and an unlimited number of refills of soda, or beer.

that is of course assuming the VOD even works (which it didn't when we tried watching Click).... so much for paying $110/mo for digital cable and internet..... i won't admit to downloading Click and watching it, but .. we did get to watch it.

going to the movies = too expensive
VOD, cheap, easy to use = but not if it's not working or not available
buying the dvd = who said i want to own it?

downloading = they wonder why people download movies based on those three things...
#13 sin-ergy on 23 Feb 2007 - 20:33
punishment doesn't fit the crime. jail time in a case like this is madness. get the guy to do some community service. at least have some sort of a 3 strike deal in place. it sickens me how money runs everything (ok i dunno why this smiley is showing...i want the puke one dammit.)
(1 reply) #14 TC17 on 23 Feb 2007 - 21:42
Personally I get sick of the "honest abes" who post acting like their lives are all perfect. My opinion about this, big deal. The punishment is way to severe for this as it is.

Then these same people will go whine about how high their taxes are because they lock everyone up for anything and everything.
#14.1 ripvanklip on 24 Feb 2007 - 23:48
Totally.
At least the comments get slightly more realistic scrolling down...

3 years in prison for uploading a movie, and people think thats acceptable? Not only have the movie companies tricked you into believing the crap at the cinemas these days is worth the price - everyone is righteous, and in total agreement with their tatics.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you actually saw a good movie at the cinemas? Its the movie studios that should be doing time , for the drivel they produce.
(1 reply) #15 ZEROarmy on 23 Feb 2007 - 22:54
LOL, noob. Should have SSL encrypted his upload.
#15.1 FuhrerDarqueSyde on 24 Feb 2007 - 00:37
-_-
(1 reply) #16 Raa on 24 Feb 2007 - 01:08
Dobbed in by his own sister? Oooooh talk about sibling rivalry! lol
#16.1 raistiin majere on 24 Feb 2007 - 02:49
hehe...

Finally someone that picked up on this...

(I guess that her copy was watermarked, so when they came for her, she didnt take long to point the finger at her brother)
(2 replies) #17 Croquant on 24 Feb 2007 - 07:14
It's just plain stupid that pirating a movie is a criminal offense.
Should be a civil matter only.
#17.1 SacrificialSoldier on 26 Feb 2007 - 05:05
Quote - (Croquant said @ #17)
It's just plain stupid that pirating a movie is a criminal offense.
Should be a civil matter only.

Agreed
#17.2 MaddogMDD on 26 Feb 2007 - 15:00
If I stole your television set, would you consider it a civil matter?

Stealing is stealing. Whether it's jewelry, a pack of gum, or intellectual property.

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