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Daniel Fleshbourne   on 26 February 2007 - 10:45 · 36 comments & 7960 views

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After collecting some 1,800 new product and service ideas from IT users and customers using an online "suggestion box," Dell Inc. has announced that it's taking the user suggestions seriously and will soon debut and sell a new line of certified, user-ready Linux-loaded desktop and laptop computers. The Dell IdeaStorm Web site, where customers and other IT enthusiasts can offer recommendations about future Dell products and configurations that they'd want to buy, was started on Feb. 16 by CEO Michael Dell, who is looking for ways to re-energize the company's sales and financial performance after several disappointing quarters.

One post that got a lot of interest was the idea that Dell bring back a reasonably priced laptop computer that runs Linux. Just a week after debuting the IdeaStorm site, the company said Friday night that the Linux-loaded desktops and laptops will be the first user-generated suggestions that it will follow. "It's exciting to see the IdeaStorm community's interest in open-source solutions like Linux and OpenOffice," the company said in a post on the Web site. "Your feedback has been all about flexibility and we have seen a consistent request to provide platforms that allow people to install their operating system of choice. We are listening, and as a result, we are working with Novell to certify our corporate client products for Linux, including our OptiPlex desktops, Latitude notebooks and Dell Precision workstations. This is another step towards ensuring that our customers have a good experience with Linux on our systems."

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(3 replies) #1 MightyJordan on 26 Feb 2007 - 10:53
Good boost for open-source. Other companies may follow suit here if it's successful (which it probably will be).
#1.1 barneyt on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:32
I agree....... this, at least gives options for buyers. And it is always good to have choices.
#1.2 david13lt on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:36
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I agree....... this, at least gives options for buyers. And it is always good to have choices.


100% agree, the bigger choice consumer have, the better is... And this should be nice hit to Microsoft. Let's see... Now their new XML based document format may not become a standard, and open-source could win and now this...
#1.3 Amodin on 26 Feb 2007 - 16:26
I'm glad that they went back to this. A long time ago, they offered it on the server platforms as well, and I hope they return to that too. I don't see a 'lot' of desktop/laptop Linux usage, but server usage... well, I sure as hell would buy it for my company.
(5 replies) #2 Yogurth on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:14
These are pretty important news for entire IT industry...now if the price follows the price of Linux supported OSes, we can expect ~100$ and more cheaper boxes than those preloaded with Windows on same hardware. That would be the only way Linux computers could have larger sales in the future. If however prices do compare with Windows, I see no future for that line.
#2.1 illmonkey on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:17
Unfortunately i don't see prices bring THAT much cheaper. Dell get paid a fair amount to preloads their pc's with all the software they come with. Although they pay for a windows licence, take that away and take the inbound money too.
#2.2 chavo on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:38
I don't see the prices going any lower either. Dell probably pays ~$30-$50 for the OEM license of Windows. They have a support infrastructure that is trained to deal with Windows problems. Some people may argue how effective it is, but that's beside the point. Support for this software is going to have to come from somewhere and it's cost is going to be passed on to the consumer.

The great thing about this is that if Linux makes a slight little dent in MS's numbers then hardware manufatcturers will have to start providing Linux drivers with their products. It also ensures a working install with all hardware supported out of the box.
#2.3 MvG on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:57
Read between the lines

"we are working with Novell to certify our corporate client products for Linux"

This means we will not screw you with a windows license for ~100$.............. but we WILL screw you with a ~150$ Novell/Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 1-Device 3-Year Subscription
#2.4 Fred Derf on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:57
One of those guys that got the price of Windows refunded received something like US$53.50 back from Dell.
#2.5 Havin_it on 26 Feb 2007 - 16:17
Well, think about it for a second. The price MS charge for each OEM copy is massively less than what Windows would cost at retail, and surely it's reasonable to assume that Red Hat or Novell would do this as well.

The price component that goes on the chosen Linux OS and support should be pretty minimal as long as Dell sign up for a decent number of units. OSS companies know how to play the game too, y'know
(4 replies) #3 kaiwai on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:23
Hmm, and it would be nice to be able to access the same large amounts of mainstream software which Windows allows.

Linux sales will only pick up the day when people can get their favourite app like Photoshop Elements and friends on Linux. No applications, no sales. No sales, very short lived experimentation with Linux.
#3.1 z0phi3l on 26 Feb 2007 - 11:50
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Hmm, and it would be nice to be able to access the same large amounts of mainstream software which Windows allows.

Linux sales will only pick up the day when people can get their favourite app like Photoshop Elements and friends on Linux. No applications, no sales. No sales, very short lived experimentation with Linux.


Gimp is as good or better in some ways that Photoshop, there are a few Linux IM clients that can handle all the major IM services, Open Office is as good or better than MS Office, just need people to step out of their comfort zones and try something similar to what they are used to and Linux will proper, think the only thing Linux lacks is a legit way of playing DVDs and better.
#3.2 Banzai on 26 Feb 2007 - 12:56
this is all well and good but this will only apply to a very small % of dell pc buyers, maybe 5% max, linux as it is today will never work in a home pc environment, now get angry and flame as much as you like, but I know I run Linux.

Installing anything on Linux is always a pain I know some will argue oh its easy you just run apt-get, yes but how many dependency's will the program need? you can just put software onto a cd and click install. And though linux strongest point for some is the shell for most users this will be its downfall.

Thats just my 2cent
#3.3 HawkMan on 26 Feb 2007 - 17:47
Quote - (z0phi3l said @ #3.1)
Gimp is as good or better in some ways that Photoshop, there are a few Linux IM clients that can handle all the major IM services, Open Office is as good or better than MS Office, just need people to step out of their comfort zones and try something similar to what they are used to and Linux will proper, think the only thing Linux lacks is a legit way of playing DVDs and better.


oh name me ONE way that Gimp is actually better than photoshop. and I'll find 10 ways where Gimp is unusable compared to PS. Gimp is usable, but it's nowhere ENAR as good as photoshop. not even PSP, if you go back to version 6 or 7 anyway...


there may be IM clients that can handle all the major ones, if by handle you don't include video, audio voiceclips, games full support for status and perosnal messages, Certainly no support to sync skins(backgrounds) with the other person your talkign too.

Open Office is for a "lite" user of Office who only use office every now and then to write a letter or memo, "as good" for the job, but compared to 2007 it isn't even that as the new GUI is such a massive improvement to the general package. For anyone who actually USES office, Open Office is lagging behind by several years, and isn't even as powerfull as Office 2000 in most ways yet. Again it's usable, and right now what I use, but it's Nowhere near as good as you say, and certainly not better than MS Office. If you think that, you need to take off the open source fanboi glasses.
#3.4 ichi on 26 Feb 2007 - 20:38
Quote - (HawkMan said @ #3.3)
Quote - (z0phi3l said @ #3.1)
Gimp is as good or better in some ways that Photoshop, there are a few Linux IM clients that can handle all the major IM services, Open Office is as good or better than MS Office, just need people to step out of their comfort zones and try something similar to what they are used to and Linux will proper, think the only thing Linux lacks is a legit way of playing DVDs and better.


oh name me ONE way that Gimp is actually better than photoshop. and I'll find 10 ways where Gimp is unusable compared to PS. Gimp is usable, but it's nowhere ENAR as good as photoshop. not even PSP, if you go back to version 6 or 7 anyway...


there may be IM clients that can handle all the major ones, if by handle you don't include video, audio voiceclips, games full support for status and perosnal messages, Certainly no support to sync skins(backgrounds) with the other person your talkign too.

Open Office is for a "lite" user of Office who only use office every now and then to write a letter or memo, "as good" for the job, but compared to 2007 it isn't even that as the new GUI is such a massive improvement to the general package. For anyone who actually USES office, Open Office is lagging behind by several years, and isn't even as powerfull as Office 2000 in most ways yet. Again it's usable, and right now what I use, but it's Nowhere near as good as you say, and certainly not better than MS Office. If you think that, you need to take off the open source fanboi glasses.


But we can agree anyway that both Gimp and OOo and ok for most users.

BTW, what are those 10 ways in which gimp is unusable?
I'll tell you one advantage I see over photoshop: being able of taking advance of several screens thanks to the splitted UI design.
#4 mrmckeb on 26 Feb 2007 - 12:35
I wonder how long it'll take before Dell dumps this idea?
(2 replies) #5 norseman on 26 Feb 2007 - 12:47
Open Office is not a good or better idea compared to MS Office.. Have you even used Microsoft Office? Gimp is nice, but noone is familiar with these apps. I can see this being used for businneses however the mainstream consumer models will not sale at all.. 20 nerds are not going to fund the bill guys.
#5.1 Aero Ultimate on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:07
Quote - (norseman said @ #5)
Open Office is not a good or better idea compared to MS Office.. Have you even used Microsoft Office? Gimp is nice, but noone is familiar with these apps. I can see this being used for businneses however the mainstream consumer models will not sale at all.. 20 nerds are not going to fund the bill guys.

That greatly depends on the MS Office used... OpenOffice can compete nicely to Office 2003, but it doesn't even have the most remote chance against Office 2007.
#5.2 ichi on 26 Feb 2007 - 20:41
Quote - (Aero Ultimate said @ #5.1)
Quote - (norseman said @ #5)
Open Office is not a good or better idea compared to MS Office.. Have you even used Microsoft Office? Gimp is nice, but noone is familiar with these apps. I can see this being used for businneses however the mainstream consumer models will not sale at all.. 20 nerds are not going to fund the bill guys.

That greatly depends on the MS Office used... OpenOffice can compete nicely to Office 2003, but it doesn't even have the most remote chance against Office 2007.


It greatly depends on what you use Office for, and the fact is most users wouldn't even use all the OOo features.
(1 reply) #6 Bosaka on 26 Feb 2007 - 12:57
I won't be happy with OEM's till they either ship with FreeDOS or nothing on it - I dont like having craplets on my new machine I paid good money for. At least with the Precision line they don't load anything junky on it.
#6.1 Havin_it on 26 Feb 2007 - 16:28
You might be interested to know that Dell's own statement also raises the issue of CRAPlets. It's a bit vague, but it sounds like they have at least heard this message as well.

If you follow the links on that page you can find some desktop systems (the N-series I think they call 'em) with only a FreeDOS disk, no preinstalled OS.
#7 ikyouCrow on 26 Feb 2007 - 12:59
i'm glad dell is doing this. it makes 'em look like a bigger company for "listening to suggestions".

now if only apple would start selling macs with windows pre-installed... yeah, right!
(1 reply) #8 Aero Ultimate on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:05
Dell must be really with their backs to the wall to do that...
obviously sales recently have been really bad
Their support lines will have hell on earth now, having to explain Linux to morons who can't even use Windows properly
#8.1 lbmouse on 26 Feb 2007 - 19:08
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Dell must be really with their backs to the wall to do that...
obviously sales recently have been really bad
Their support lines will have hell on earth now, having to explain Linux to morons who can't even use Windows properly

They have to hope to GOD that the people that take advantage of this offer will NOT be your typical MS user. Just kidding, for those Windows users of you that haven't used some of the new Linux distros lately, you'll be very pleasantly surprised. My 6 yo daughter and 65 yo father both use Ubuntu with very few problems.
#9 vetneufuse on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:07
and they'll only charge $350 to install it....
#10 jubber2002 on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:18
Which distro?
(1 reply) #11 azz0r_wugg on 26 Feb 2007 - 14:23
They'll sell a few thousand per few hundred thousand with Vista on.

Pointless.
#11.1 Helba on 26 Feb 2007 - 18:52
Jeese. Don't be such a downer.

Who cares? That isn't the point. Dell is just trying to appeal to as many people as possible, and this is definately a good step.

Of course they want to make money too, and I expect they will.
#12 JonathanMarston on 26 Feb 2007 - 16:34
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certified, user-ready Linux-loaded desktop and laptop computers


Isn't that an oxymoron??

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(1 reply) #13 ShiZZa on 26 Feb 2007 - 17:41
Remember back in the day with compaq and hp if you bought a computer with redhat on, it still came with a set windows xp restore disks and the redhat ones. If you called tech support you had to install the XP copy.
#13.1 mrmckeb on 26 Feb 2007 - 21:50
That's how it should be.
#15 rIaHc3 on 26 Feb 2007 - 19:22
Just a comment that the "Dude, your getting a Dell" phrase is starting to get overused...

Everytime there is a Dell comment, I hear it. It was catchy the first the second the third the forth....but after 9999999999 times it dies. Let it go.


Well I for one am glad that Dell is selling PCs with different operating systems now. Shows that they want to attract new customers.
(1 reply) #16 Robgig1088 on 26 Feb 2007 - 21:46
Man I was excited until i read that theyre working with Novel.... Why not Gentoo of even better, Ubuntu? Sigh, i suppose that will come with time...
#16.1 eAi on 27 Feb 2007 - 01:14
Agreed, Ubuntu would seem like a better partner in this, though they are more obscure. Novel is a nice and safe company for Dell to deal with, so, its a start I guess.
#17 Naughty Dog on 27 Feb 2007 - 01:33
Please don't crap up and oemize ur hard-to-upgrade machines and I might see that you are improving. I'm still going to build my own machines however, never going oem again!!!

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