Although the new version of Apple's iTunes software supports the upcoming AppleTV device and includes an improved album-sorting feature, it does not yet address all compatibility issues with Microsoft's Windows Vista. The new version fixes several issues, but a few outstanding issues remain and Apple is working with Microsoft to finish the job, according to Apple spokesman Derick Mains.
Ejecting an iPod using the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the Vista system tray can still result in a corrupted iPod; Apple recommends that users always eject their iPods within iTunes. Also, iTunes does not work on 64-bit flavours of Vista (or XP for that matter) and contacts from the Windows Address Book may still not sync properly to iPods. Apple does not have an exact time frame for when the remaining issues will be corrected, Mains said.
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News source: News.com
Ejecting an iPod using the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in the Vista system tray can still result in a corrupted iPod; Apple recommends that users always eject their iPods within iTunes. Also, iTunes does not work on 64-bit flavours of Vista (or XP for that matter) and contacts from the Windows Address Book may still not sync properly to iPods. Apple does not have an exact time frame for when the remaining issues will be corrected, Mains said.
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It makes zero sense for Apple to intentionally sabotage Vista users like this. So get over yourself.
I'm not saying they are, but it does make sense. Just look at the Vista commercials Apple has released.
It makes zero sense for Apple to intentionally sabotage Vista users like this. So get over yourself.
Are you kidding me? Have you seen the latest Apple commercials? It is quite obvious that Apple doesn't want you moving to Windows Vista. What better way to make that happen than to sluggishly update your software for Vista compatibility.
Yeah, I'm sure Apple is absolutely terrified of Vista. Take off the tin-foil hat, buddy. There's no conspiracy here. By the way, Apple's support for Windows is still incredible compared to Microsoft's support of OS X. Apple and Microsoft both have their own proprietary media formats, which I loathe with a passion no matter who creates them, but at least Apple continues supporting theirs on other platforms. Remember Windows Media Player for OS X? Yeah, me neither, because it doesn't exist anymore. Microsoft tells you to go download 3rd party shareware if you want to watch anything encoded with their crappy proprietary codec. Aside from Office for Mac, Microsoft is completely lazy and worthless when it comes to OS X, so maybe you should take a look around before you start screaming at Apple.
And why should a multi-billion dollar corporation divert millions to support a niche brand with <5% market share? Are Mac users really that important from a business perspective?
You're comparing two different ecosystems here: operating systems and desktop applications/portable media devices. The comparison and "conclusion" you've come to is completely invalid
And how is WMA/WMV a "crappy" format? Back up your ludicrous arguments please.
The guy accusing Apple of launching some kind of conspiracy against a rival operating system is calling my arguments ridiculous. Now I've seen it all. Do you honestly think Apple would do this intentionally? The majority of iPod owners are Windows owners now, to even suggest what you're suggesting is what's really ludicrous here.
Yes, I do, given Apple's track record. Apple's support for Microsoft is "incredible" because it has to be! The inverse is not true!
I ask you again, how is WMA/WMV a "crappy" format? Because Microsoft owns it?
Edit: Oh, I see you've edited your post. Good job! That's the Neowin way. Why support your argument when you can just pretend it never happend when someone asks for clarification?!?!?
Why wouldn't they be? In a month or so Vista will probably have a higher market share than OSX.
Why wouldn't they be? In a month or so Vista will probably have a higher market share than OSX.
It's pretty easy for your OS to have the highest marketshare when you have a monopoly on the desktop PC market and your OS ships by default with more or less every computer sold in every country that matters. But Apple has no reason to be scared of Vista, their main goal never was or never will be to compete with Microsoft. Apple does fine in their niche market, and that's all they're concerned with.
Oh, get real.
Why wouldn't they be? In a month or so Vista will probably have a higher market share than OSX.
It's pretty easy for your OS to have the highest marketshare when you have a monopoly on the desktop PC market and your OS ships by default with more or less every computer sold in every country that matters. But Apple has no reason to be scared of Vista, their main goal never was or never will be to compete with Microsoft. Apple does fine in their niche market, and that's all they're concerned with.
Apple and MS compete more than you think. Apple at one point tried to license MacOS but that never worked out well. If they will try to do the same with OSX at some point, I don't think so, it's too late for that. Apple Computer Inc is now Apple Inc, and althuogh you might think this is a small name change, it means alot. Apple is now moving to be a CE company and less and less about Macs.
Though they are moving to be more CE then Computer oriented, that doesn't mean they're not fighting with MS as we speak. Both of them are fighting for you living room, and so is Sony and a few others to a smaller extent.
You have the iPod, Zune, and all the Sony Walkmans/mp3 players All fighting in the same market directly.
You have AppleTV which is a direct competitor to MS's Media Extenders, Also any Sony DVRs that are sold + all the other Streaming media boxes, ones from Netgear come to mind also.
You have Apples Front Row, a basic and clear copy of MS's Media Center, more direct competition.
They compete on audio and video formats, WMA/WMV for MS and .MOV and .AAC which is what iTunes usese, all be it DRM infected.
There's also the new iPhone, now you might think "MS doesn't make it's own phone." But MS is a big player in the Smartphone market with Windows Mobile, and also there is Symbian and RIM in the same space. But this is yet more direct competition between MS and Apple.
I wouldn't pay too much attention if were you, Rasken always acts like this when something involves Apple.
Seriously thinking that Apple would intentionally cripple iTunes compatibility for Windows Vista and potentially risk loosing thousands, if not millions, of customers (and thus millions of dollars worth of extra income) over the years to come isn't reasonable.
Seriously, it's all "hate hate hate" talk. And people criticize Microsoft's '97 email to consider dropping Office Mac.
Here's a quote:
No other operating system, Vista included, offers the rich features and simplicity of Mac OS X. And just as Vista tries to get closer (emphasis on “tries”), Mac OS X Leopard is right around the corner — ready to leap even farther ahead.
http://www.apple.com/getamac/
What are they doing there? Huh? Yeah thats right, you got it. They're sitting, stickin' thumbs in their asses, and screwin' dogs. No... Apple will find a fix for this.. Unless they meant to hurt Vista.
EDIT:
I was reading through and...
LOL.. Apple doesn't mean to compete with Microsoft? Yeah you're probably right. They just had all of the Mac advertisements diss the PC (running Windows), admit it's stupidity, and make it go through seemingly painful recreation just for the flick of it. I didn't think so.
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There is no "superior" OS. Not OS X, not Linux, not anything. An OS with "superior" technology hasn't arrived yet.
As for Apple not being "ready" for Vista . . . hell, not even Vista is ready. LOL. Alot of you bitched and moaned about Vista taking so long, now these same people for some odd reason are gloating (as if there is anything to gloat over), and they're complaining that Apple is taking a little longer.
If all tech companies moved as fast as Apple, the world would be a better place. Be thankful that Apple is doing all it can, and in good time, too.
Edit: Oh, I see you've edited your post. Good job! That's the Neowin way. Why support your argument when you can just pretend it never happend when someone asks for clarification?!?!?
No, wma has been deemed an inferior audio codec by just about every comparison I have seen. Check out hydrogen audio and be educated.
He didn't edit his post.
Edit: Oh, I see you've edited your post. Good job! That's the Neowin way. Why support your argument when you can just pretend it never happend when someone asks for clarification?!?!?
No, wma has been deemed an inferior audio codec by just about every comparison I have seen. Check out hydrogen audio and be educated.
He didn't edit his post.
guylaroche
There is no "superior" OS. Not OS X, not Linux, not anything. An OS with "superior" technology hasn't arrived yet.
As for Apple not being "ready" for Vista . . . hell, not even Vista is ready. LOL. Alot of you bitched and moaned about Vista taking so long, now these same people for some odd reason are gloating (as if there is anything to gloat over), and they're complaining that Apple is taking a little longer.
If all tech companies moved as fast as Apple, the world would be a better place. Be thankful that Apple is doing all it can, and in good time, too.
1: BEcause Unix/Linux/BSd isn't "superior"
2: everythign is vulerable to Malware, but Malware is only being made for areas where it actually does an damage, hence Malware...
3: It still has a registry because despite claims by anti MS zealots, there's nothing wrong witht he registry, it does it's job and it does it well. and no it doesn't slow down yoru computers, not even after 2 years, it's just a myth.
4: UAC is "out of control" because all your apps are created to require admin access, UAC isn't that bad though, have you even tried any flavours of Linux? now there's UAC out of control.
5: You've never been to an Ikea shop have you, you just threw this argyument in here because you're an Anti MS zealot and you chose to compare to Ikea because it's a "cheap" brand.
6: Why doesn't all the newest features on linux work well on older hardware, why doesn't all the coolest latest Mac stuff work as well on old hardware? fact is Vista works pretty damn well on older hardware, especially if you have a grpahics card capable of runnign Aero, if you don't it won't really run any worse than XP.
7: We where never "promised" a longhorn of any kind, we where shown screenshots and examples of what they wanted Longhorn to be, and for the most part Vista is this.
the rest of yoru argyuments are just useless fanboy rambles, and I havent' seen that many Neowin users ready to defect it, not more than I have seen ready to defect from MacOs to Windows*, wich is far more devastating considering the numbers are the same yet the Mac userbase is so much smaller.
iLife Apps that don't suck... that's an invalid statement coming from a Mac Fanboy like yourself. Especially since I'm pretty sure you haven't even tried the windows versions.
How is the interface a jumble, it's nice clean and lgoical. again random fanboy ramblings
so many are not complaining about the user experience
it is ready for release, because you think so despite not having tried it(obviusly, from yoru post) and you being a Mac fanboy says so doesn't make it so.
Losing the media war.... what the hell are you talking about and you really shouldn't smoke that stuff, it dulls your brain.
Lots of people are allways reccomending against installing the latest windows versions without valid reasons or even havign tried it(like the guy who hasn't even seen Vista yet gave a full review on why not to install it), just like there are lots(compared to userbase) people recocomending against installign the latest MacOS versions, or if Linux had a regular userbase, they would reccomend against installing the latest versions of these, it's what these people do.
no a question back to you, why are you such a fanboy and why are you spreading uninformed FUD.
Edit: Oh, I see you've edited your post. Good job! That's the Neowin way. Why support your argument when you can just pretend it never happend when someone asks for clarification?!?!?
No, wma has been deemed an inferior audio codec by just about every comparison I have seen. Check out hydrogen audio and be educated.
He didn't edit his post.
guylaroche
In refeence to the WMA issue - I hope you realise that the issue which people have with it isn't WMA or the CODEC itself, but the fact that Microsoft *claims* massive reductions in size with minimal impact to quality - half the size, equal the quality - its on WMA equiped devices claiming that 64kbps is equal to mp3 128kbps in quality; the reality is anything but. Yes, WMA does achieve 25% superior compression/quality ratio, but it certainly doesn't reach the claimed amount which Microsoft rants on about.
Oh, and AAC like WMA is merely a MPEG4 derivative; I would prefer to use AAC however, over WMA, as atleast with AAC you can get a compression tools that are free and opensource - and very stable/reliable.
There is no "superior" OS. Not OS X, not Linux, not anything. An OS with "superior" technology hasn't arrived yet.
As for Apple not being "ready" for Vista . . . hell, not even Vista is ready. LOL. Alot of you bitched and moaned about Vista taking so long, now these same people for some odd reason are gloating (as if there is anything to gloat over), and they're complaining that Apple is taking a little longer.
If all tech companies moved as fast as Apple, the world would be a better place. Be thankful that Apple is doing all it can, and in good time, too.
1: BEcause Unix/Linux/BSd isn't "superior"
2: everythign is vulerable to Malware, but Malware is only being made for areas where it actually does an damage, hence Malware...
3: It still has a registry because despite claims by anti MS zealots, there's nothing wrong witht he registry, it does it's job and it does it well. and no it doesn't slow down yoru computers, not even after 2 years, it's just a myth.
4: UAC is "out of control" because all your apps are created to require admin access, UAC isn't that bad though, have you even tried any flavours of Linux? now there's UAC out of control.
5: You've never been to an Ikea shop have you, you just threw this argyument in here because you're an Anti MS zealot and you chose to compare to Ikea because it's a "cheap" brand.
6: Why doesn't all the newest features on linux work well on older hardware, why doesn't all the coolest latest Mac stuff work as well on old hardware? fact is Vista works pretty damn well on older hardware, especially if you have a grpahics card capable of runnign Aero, if you don't it won't really run any worse than XP.
7: We where never "promised" a longhorn of any kind, we where shown screenshots and examples of what they wanted Longhorn to be, and for the most part Vista is this.
the rest of yoru argyuments are just useless fanboy rambles, and I havent' seen that many Neowin users ready to defect it, not more than I have seen ready to defect from MacOs to Windows*, wich is far more devastating considering the numbers are the same yet the Mac userbase is so much smaller.
iLife Apps that don't suck... that's an invalid statement coming from a Mac Fanboy like yourself. Especially since I'm pretty sure you haven't even tried the windows versions.
How is the interface a jumble, it's nice clean and lgoical. again random fanboy ramblings
so many are not complaining about the user experience
it is ready for release, because you think so despite not having tried it(obviusly, from yoru post) and you being a Mac fanboy says so doesn't make it so.
Losing the media war.... what the hell are you talking about and you really shouldn't smoke that stuff, it dulls your brain.
Lots of people are allways reccomending against installing the latest windows versions without valid reasons or even havign tried it(like the guy who hasn't even seen Vista yet gave a full review on why not to install it), just like there are lots(compared to userbase) people recocomending against installign the latest MacOS versions, or if Linux had a regular userbase, they would reccomend against installing the latest versions of these, it's what these people do.
no a question back to you, why are you such a fanboy and why are you spreading uninformed FUD.
Because I'm allowed to. As are you, as you've demonstrated here.
Be sure to read post Post #27
Why wouldn't they be? In a month or so Vista will probably have a higher market share than OSX.
It's pretty easy for your OS to have the highest marketshare when you have a monopoly on the desktop PC market and your OS ships by default with more or less every computer sold in every country that matters. But Apple has no reason to be scared of Vista, their main goal never was or never will be to compete with Microsoft. Apple does fine in their niche market, and that's all they're concerned with.
Apple could've had their OS ship with new DELLs but Apple said no.
Apple could've continued letting other manufacturers sell their OS on third-party hardware but that practice died somewhere around 1994 (give or take a few years; not many people know that Apple used to license the MacOS out to third party computer manufacturers).
i'm sure there are many things that Apple used to do that would've helped with their numbers but then decided to stop doing them for heaven knows what reason, so i don't think it's entirely fair to say that Microsoft has some kinda strangle-hold on the market because of new pc distributions. other companies used to and asked to but Apple didn't seem up to it.
Bou mean my post with actual reasoning and debuffs for your FUD as opposed to your trolling post wich contained no real information.
And I'm not sure you are allowed to troll according to the site rules.
Pot, meet kettle.
I think it's stupid that Apple is really taking this long to make it work. Shouldn't be that big of a job, really, should it? Yeesh.
Ah well.
They're not going to halt development on Leopard just for Vista...
BTW, iTunes did work on my XP x64, I didn't notice any problem back then and I was suing version 6, so I believe 7 works.
They're not going to halt development on Leopard just for Vista...
BTW, iTunes did work on my XP x64, I didn't notice any problem back then and I was suing version 6, so I believe 7 works.
do you really think the itunes guys are the same guys who make OS X? If so, you need to visit a big software company and see how everything is divided into teams
They're not going to halt development on Leopard just for Vista...
BTW, iTunes did work on my XP x64, I didn't notice any problem back then and I was suing version 6, so I believe 7 works.
Funny you should mention Leopard. Didn't Jobs say it would ship before Vista?
Funny you should mention Leopard. Didn't Jobs say it would ship before Vista?[/quote]
he did, and we are still waiting, especially me, I WANT LEOPARD!
As far as I know, iTunes is an application just like many parts of a complete OS. So yeah, they are wasting time on iTunes instead of wasting it on Leopard. Don't even try to get me wrong with this, please.
Funny you should mention Leopard. Didn't Jobs say it would ship before Vista?[/quote]
he did, and we are still waiting, especially me, I WANT LEOPARD![/quote]
Why? The only thing new in Leopard is a backup tool and a really bad graphics engine. I'm sticking with Tiger. Unless.. Surprise surprise you get it free.
Funny you should mention Leopard. Didn't Jobs say it would ship before Vista?[/quote]
he did, and we are still waiting, especially me, I WANT LEOPARD![/quote]
Why? The only thing new in Leopard is a backup tool and a really bad graphics engine. I'm sticking with Tiger. Unless.. Surprise surprise you get it free.[/quote]
Wait....you've used the final version of 10.5?
Funny you should mention Leopard. Didn't Jobs say it would ship before Vista?[/quote]
he did, and we are still waiting, especially me, I WANT LEOPARD![/quote]
Why? The only thing new in Leopard is a backup tool and a really bad graphics engine. I'm sticking with Tiger. Unless.. Surprise surprise you get it free.[/quote]
Wait....you've used the final version of 10.5?[/quote]
yeah, don't you know anything, it comes with a new screen saver too :p
A) Care about iTunes
or
B) Regularly use Vista
so
as far as I'm concerned, the above "Vista vs iTunes" squable is nothjing but a bunch of wind and noise singnafying nothing.
All of you need to get a life.
Nice life!
you can't just be happy that companies are trying to fix the problems?
nvidia? apple? they r getting there.
it just seems too weird. doesn't it say use eject from iTunes in the manual?
it just seems too weird. doesn't it say use eject from iTunes in the manual?
Often it's not possible to eject your iPod through iTunes on Windows because iTunes freezes during synchronizing or just dragging and dropping files. This problem is amplified in Vista.
Whatever. Buy a Zune. The software works much better in Windows than iTunes. Looks better too.
it just seems too weird. doesn't it say use eject from iTunes in the manual?
Often it's not possible to eject your iPod through iTunes on Windows because iTunes freezes during synchronizing or just dragging and dropping files. This problem is amplified in Vista.
Whatever. Buy a Zune. The software works much better in Windows than iTunes. Looks better too.
i hear that!
Just use iTunes to eject your iPod.
It's not a big deal.
Remember when a bunch of iPods were sent out with viruses on them? Apple also tried to blame that on Microsoft
And yes Apple has been trying very hard to turn people away from Vista. Especially since it's now out. Go look on the Apple site and you see all kinds of things that are against Vista that weren't on there before Vista was out.
We never expected such a gift
It was a lovely day, the day iTunes went away
Please try this test to see if Quicktime truly works in X64 Vista.
Simply download a video (usually $1.99) from the itunes store. Play it in iTunes/Quicktime.
Does it crash the application? Or does it play the entire video completely without stuttering?
If you can play the video successfully, it seems that iTunes/Quicktime will now work properly in Vista x64.
iTunes 7.02/Quicktime 7.1.3 did not play video from the iTunes store without crashing the iTunes app or the Quicktime app.
Please report your results to this forum post - thanks!!!
-MJ
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