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Or a system where the feedback is not shown until both have left feedback for each other or the feedback period has run out.

No, if that were the case, then the seller could control their feedback. They could just not ship the item and never leave feedback for the buyer.

The sellers should be required to leave feedback immediately after the auction has closed and they have been paid. I, as a buyer, NEVER leave positive feedback if the seller doesn't first leave me feedback. If there is something that warrants Negative feedback, nothing preempts it.

Exactly what i was thinking. I always leave feedback and there are plenty of times that the seller or buyer just doesn't give a rats ass about leaving feedback for you. It would be great if you could leave feedback and have it show up only when both parties have left feedback.

i would have to agree with this comment... as i always had feedback left for me although im sure it happens like you say it does from time to time where people just dont care once they got all "they" need

although it's nice they have extra stuff on ebay now reguardless

i totally agree with you on shipping and handling charges part! ... cause alot of the times people make that SKY HIGH to guarantee they make out big time... those people that do this im going to leave a very low feedback for shipping prices.

cause alot of items i see pretty much make it so it aint worth buying cause of this.... if someone makes a "fair" price for shipping and handling ill give them great praise.

cause the bottom line is most item's on there that aint super huge/weight alot should never be over 20 dollars TOPS (probably closer to 10-15 dollars) for a item's shipping and handling charges.... and for real light items maybe 5 dollars tops.... cause i could understand a "small" profit from shipping just to make sure they dont short themselfs when shipping a item out... but anything ridiculous in profit from shipping is getting low marks from me.

What about people like me who have to catch a £4.50 bus to get to my nearest post office to do special delivery for people. The box to put stuff in could be another £1 and bubble wrapped for piece of mind for £0.50. Thats a genuine £11 postage charge for an item that is fragile weighing over 100 grams! (and less than 500g)

Fair arguement Micky but I'd probably argue the buyer shouldnt be the one forking out for someone elses bus trip.

It's easy enough to customize your display in eBay to show the shipping charges for items, although I do wish that those would be included when sorting by price. Too many people get away with charging 99 cents for an item but charging $20 for shipping. Technically that is against eBay regulations (it's fee circumvention), but it's really hard to get eBay to actually do anything about sellers who do this on a regular basis.

and neutral

what you should have did was said screw them... if u honestly felt they deserved the negative feedback... i would have left negative feedback and when they threatened to leave negative for you i would have told them to go for it.... and when they did leave bad feedback i would have left a comment as to why they where wrong... as im sure most "smart" buyers will easily tell your not lying and be able to distinguish who's telling the truth ... cause if you payed em promptly within say about 12 hours of end of auction (me personally i pay right after auction ends through paypal) using paypal and they came back and left negative feedback for you even though u did this i would clearly state it in the reply to your feedback .... cause to me if someone has a great rep and only a few negatives i generally dont worry about the negatives especially if they seem like the negatives where nitpicking etc.

i never left negative feedback for someone before as i dont use ebay that often but out of the times i have everything went perfect pretty much.

me personally though i would not leave negative feedback for someone unless they really deserved it... like if item's description was quite a bit off from what it was supposed to be or they screwed around and took a while to ship the item's or did not respond to my messages for quite a while etc.

damn! i 100percent agree with you on your statement if that makes you feel any better ... cant u leave a comment to her comment to you saying that? ... if u can im sure people will understand what went on.

cause your 100percent right... "it is the risk of using ebay" ... it aint like it's a retail store!... plus she actually "bid" on the damn item so she obviously was willing to pay that price... if she was not then obviously she would have not bid it.

cause what you charged her is perfectly reasonable especially on shipping

dont let it bother you to much though as with your rep ... 1 negative aint going to hurt you "THAT MUCH"

Thank you ThaCrip. I did leave her a negative out of retaliation (unfortunately). I did reply to her feedback and explain as best I could within those few characters my position on the matter. I'm still soured that after eight years, my record is tarnished. On the brighter side, I feel kinda liberated about it. Now I don't have to be so uptight, so paranoid and so willing to placate people just to avoid a neg. Not that I want more, but since it's not perfect anymore, I feel more relaxed about getting a second. Going forward, I won't tolerate late shipments, shipping overcharging, rude buyers/sellers. Out of my 400, around 20 earned a neg but for fear of retaliation, I just didnt chance it. Now when they've earned a neg, I will leave. So I guess it's a good thing too. However still not happy but what can you do? lol

It was more of the principal that any idiot could come ruin your perfect record in an instant. I'm kinda over it now though, that above post I did was probably what I needed to get it out and then move on from it. Thanks for hearing me out!

your right it's like we cant really do jack about it... although atleast theres some good that came out of this

and i figure if you could explain pretty much what you said in your first post on ebay (like you said you tried to do) im sure most people will be able to see what happened and realize she is at fault ... but then again they dont let you type much lol... so i guess most people probably cant get the full story cause of that.

atleast from now on your going to give a honest opinion about someone when buying/selling on ebay.

p.s. like i said before i dont use ebay often myself but when i did i so far had 0 problems.... all the people i bought stuff from where generally pretty friendly and communicated well etc.

have a good one

you can reply to her feedback and negotiate for her to withdraw it, which will restore your reputation

P.S. as a big ebay buyer, 99% and 100% feedback doesnt make much of a difference to me so dont worry too much. There are always people that stupidly leave negative feedback.

IF I was buying from you now I'd look and see that negative and as soon as it said "overcharged" I'd shrug and buy the item. I mean hell those kinds of comments are quite dumb as its not like you force people to pay what they do on ebay. Im only concerned about negatives if its for items not arriving, arriving broken or whatever. If someone feels they payed too much what do I care eh.

In any event your in a position to have both of your negatives revoked if your willing to approach her.

Thank you.

i would have to say that your pretty much right there.

although i do think atleast the 2.0 system is a "little" better even though it's far from perfect, as your idea would be MUCH better

That is a good point, as a seller I usually leave positive feedback once I ship the item and it was fully paid for, but lately I'm seeing a trend where feedback is not left for me by the buyer, also I hated it when Sellers always left it up too me to leave feedback first, this is a double edge sword scenerio, if I were to leave a seller negative feedback or neutral the seller in turn can do the same for me, even though I most likely read the auction thoroughly before bidding and pay for it almost instantly after it ends since I only snipe auctions or buy it now.

I had one issue where a seller sold me a different model of an item I purchased, I contacted him etc.. he said return item he provided me with a shipping label, once it was verified in the mail, he sent me a repalcement which was the exact same model of the first piece and not what was listed on the Auction , I left him negative feedback for ripping me off, he then leaves neg feedback saying I'm the scammer.

Eventually everything got resolved and we "mutally" withdrew the negative feedback, since he was a power seller and couldn't afford any more negative feedback.

"Cause buyers DO NOT READ. I have sold to over 400 people on eBay and I can tell you that over 70% of all items I sold, the buyer only looked at the item title and the photo." ... even though i never had a issue like this i think im going to agree with you since most of the public is dumb or dont througly read stuff... me personally, i always read the details (basically shipping costs and item description etc) this way i KNOW what everything is so theres no screwing around.

"People act like eBay is Wal-mart and you can return and or get a refund for any reason. Regardless of how a transaction goes you can leave a positive, neutral or negative." .... what a damn shame, but the sad thing is i believe you lol

"I got a negative because the mp3 player I sold the buyer did not work in Windows 98." ... this is 100percent the buyers fault here as "THEY" should have checked this stuff before buying it! (especially if you listed system requirements on the page, then it's definitely there fault) ... so in other words i agree with you here to.

"I had one issue where a seller sold me a different model of an item I purchased, I contacted him etc.. he said return item he provided me with a shipping label, once it was verified in the mail, he sent me a repalcement which was the exact same model of the first piece and not what was listed on the Auction , I left him negative feedback for ripping me off, he then leaves neg feedback saying I'm the scammer." ..... people like this should not even be allowed to use ebay! (in other words i agree with you) ... especially if there knowingly shafting people which it sounds like this guy was.

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after these comments this is more of a reason to avoid ebay in general .... thanks for the tips lol

another reason i generally dont use ebay is cause by the time the auction ends on a good percentage of items.... you would just be better off going to the local store and just straight up buying it eliminating the hassle of using ebay to being with (generally speaking about electronics etc) ... cause for me to use ebay over a regular online store for electronic stuff like pc related stuff etc im going to have to get a pretty good deal OUT THE DOOR PRICE... otherwise i would rather just goto a standard online website and buy it straight up from a well known place.... cause if a item costs like 40 dollars brand new in the local store etc and on ebay it costs like 30-35 (out the door) i would probably just goto the local store to get that particular item... only way i would probably use ebay if a item was 40 in a local store... i would probably have to get it for 25tops out the door price to use ebay.... otherwise it just aint worth the risk of using ebay if you ask me.

this is also a reason why selling stuff can be good on ebay at times cause you got alot of dumb people (so they pay more than usual for the item) lol... so from a sellers standpoint that can be a good thing but it can also be a bad thing cause usually the stupid people are the ones your going to run into trouble with since there to stupid to read details etc of the action ... so i guess it's a 50/50 sorta thing ... me personally i never sell stuff though i just buy stuff and i only have about 5-6 feedback with 100percent rating... 3 of those users are no longer registered ebay users though now.

Last edited by ThaCrip on 09 Mar 2007 - 23:01