Apple reportedly to postpone Leopard to support Vista
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#1 Posted by BBinder on 23 Mar 2007 - 18:45
- new mac advert
hello i'm a mac and i'm a pc
pc - why are you looking so sad
mac - leopard got delayed thanks to microsoft
pc - well you cant blame microsoft there was plenty of time to get everything working
mac - but still its good to blame microsoft, makes us look good -
#1.1 Posted by toadeater on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:20
- Quote - (BBinder said @ #1)pc - well you cant blame microsoft there was plenty of time to get everything working
You made up this whole Apple blaming MS thing. Apple didn't blame MS.
However, MS has been known to withhold Windows API info to get an unfair advantage over competitors.
Microsoft's Behavior Unacceptable -
#1.2 Posted by BBinder on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:28
- i know apple hasnt blamed them but it'll probably happen
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#1.3 Posted by +Brandon Live on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:46
- Quote - (toadeater said @ #2)However, MS has been known to withhold Windows API info to get an unfair advantage over competitors.
LOL a slashdot link. Priceless.
Microsoft's API documentation is second-to-none. Yeah it can take a little while to produce 100% complete documentation for thousands upon thousands of interfaces/functions/structures but MSDN is really quite thorough.
Plus I don't see how it would give an "unfair" advantage over competitors. For one, for a long time now non-Windows portions of Microsoft have been restricted from using anything that isn't publicly available to third-parties (which personally I think is unfair to Microsoft, but that's another debate). -
#1.4 Posted by WindowsOnIMac on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:46
- Considering the "low" characters of most Apple fanatics, I am not surprised in the least that Apple would be found to be "hypocritical" by Mr. Protalinski.
My experience with conversing with Apple Fans is that they are usually EXTREMELY hypocritical where Windows is concerned.
Since Microsoft requires that those who program in the Windows Vista environment use their managed programming techniques, etc, and Apple programmers don't seem to be able to work well with Windows programmers, it is not a surprise to me that they are not yet ready for Vista. Probably, Apple is having to retrain part of its programming staff to be able to work with Vista's Managed Coding (God forbid they should ever learn to actually LIKE it..Apple would probably have to fire them all just to remove the "infection" of "Microsoft-ways" from their campus.)
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#1.5 Posted by phantasmorph on 24 Mar 2007 - 11:07
- Quote - (Brandon Live said @ #1.3)Quote - (toadeater said @ #2)However, MS has been known to withhold Windows API info to get an unfair advantage over competitors.
LOL a slashdot link. Priceless.
Microsoft's API documentation is second-to-none. Yeah it can take a little while to produce 100% complete documentation for thousands upon thousands of interfaces/functions/structures but MSDN is really quite thorough.
Plus I don't see how it would give an "unfair" advantage over competitors. For one, for a long time now non-Windows portions of Microsoft have been restricted from using anything that isn't publicly available to third-parties (which personally I think is unfair to Microsoft, but that's another debate).
LOL, don't believe anything posted on Slashdot, but make sure you take the views of a MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE as gospel.
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#1.6 Posted by kizzaaa on 24 Mar 2007 - 17:07
- Quote - (BBinder said @ #1)new mac advert
hello i'm a mac and i'm a pc
pc - why are you looking so sad
mac - leopard got delayed thanks to microsoft
pc - well you cant blame microsoft there was plenty of time to get everything working
mac - but still its good to blame microsoft, makes us look good
What has that got to do with this article?Quote -I personally don't see Apple delaying Leopard for Vista. Maybe they'll offer a Boot Camp update later on, but I doubt they will delay the release by half a year. On the other hand, if it does happen, I will find it very hypocritical of Apple, considering their anti-Vista advertisements.
I think its highly unlikely Apple would delay Leopard to ensure full BootCamp (driver) compatibility with Windows Vista. If BootCamp is not 100% ready for Windows Vista, I'm sure they would release an update further down the track.
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#2 Posted by hotdog963al on 23 Mar 2007 - 18:47
- :|
I'll literally cry if that happens. -
#2.2 Posted by raskren on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:45
- Quote - (Mathachew said @ #2.1)I hope you're joking. It's. just. software.
Yeah, but when you're 14, software IS LIFE!!! -
#2.3 Posted by Typhon on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:17
- Quote - (raskren said @ #2.2)Quote - (Mathachew said @ #2.1)I hope you're joking. It's. just. software.
Yeah, but when you're 14, software IS LIFE!!!
I thought sex was. -
#2.4 Posted by Dr.Jones on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:39
- Quote - (Typhon said @ #1)Quote - (raskren said @ #2.2)Quote - (Mathachew said @ #2.1)I hope you're joking. It's. just. software.
Yeah, but when you're 14, software IS LIFE!!!
I thought sex was.
Huh ?
Software is sex ? 
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#2.5 Posted by tao muon on 23 Mar 2007 - 22:32
- Quote - (Dr.Jones said @ #2.4)Quote - (Typhon said @ #1)Quote - (raskren said @ #2.2)Quote - (Mathachew said @ #2.1)I hope you're joking. It's. just. software.
Yeah, but when you're 14, software IS LIFE!!!
I thought sex was.
Huh ? Software is sex ?
To a 14 y.o. EVERYTHING is sex. PR0N!!!!
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#3 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 23 Mar 2007 - 18:53
- A delay that long seems unlikely, though Vista support should obviously be a priority if Apple wishes to broaden the appeal of OSX.
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#4 Posted by Koyder on 23 Mar 2007 - 18:54
- Leopard definitely should include Vista support, so that Mac users can also enjoy Vista's new features, such as instant searching, gadgets, or glossy interface. Oh, wait...
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#5 Posted by L0KI on 23 Mar 2007 - 18:56
- what? they are delaying their own o/s so they can support the competitions....
I smell B.S... if Apple do use this as an excuse, they are lying...
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#6 Posted by +Vegetunks on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:04
- DAMN! and i was going to order a new macbook on my birthday in april!
Oh well.. i'll just save up more and get a faster one!
I dont want Vista support, hence moving over to Mac! lol
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#7 Posted by david13lt on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:07
- This is just a rumour, and there are plenty of them... I don't think that Leopard will be delayed. Look at the WWDC 2007, most of the time they are going to talk about Leopard, it's innovations and new features, and even development. So how can they talk about it if no-one has it?..
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#8 Posted by rajputwarrior on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:08
- i hope it support all the new networking changes made in leopard, not being able to network properly and printer sharing barely working with any vista box is hella annoying
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#9 Posted by zivan56 on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:15
- How exactly does it need work to "support" vista? It's a PC, you just install Vista and it works (assuming all the drivers are available). Besides, they could release an update later on...
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#10 Posted by KeR on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:17
- This article has to be the biggest BS/Speculative story yet to hit the Neowin frontpage.
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#11 Posted by GEIST on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:38
- Pffft, and? Anyone's a** could be an "unnamed industry source".
But if this holds any truth, Apple might wanna re-think their marketing strategies. Mocking your (potential) customers isn't a good one. =p
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#12 Posted by Jugalator on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:40
- I don't understand a long-ish postpone for that either.. I even thought BC already worked reasonably well with Vista? Surely, the finishing touches can be done by driver updates for Boot Camp? If this is just speculation, it makes much more sense though, because it reads like it.
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#13 Posted by +Brandon Live on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:48
- If Apple is delayed, it's more likely because of all the problems being reported about their current builds of Leopard. Saying it's to support Vista is probably some (non-marketing / PR endorsed) person's idea of saving face.
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#14 Posted by teejaydm on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:49
- I wonder who's the source. Anyway Apple did not say that they will release it in April, did they? I read from a "rumorsite" that leopard was due on late march, I thought they said Spring of 2007. I always thought that it will be release on June (just in time for WWDC). The last day of spring is June 21, Apple has a history of releasing their product on the last day(damn them) of the season that they announced. Unless the the unnamed source came from apple itself, it is just hearsay.
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#15 Posted by stifler6478 on 23 Mar 2007 - 19:54
- This is quite amusing. I hope to god nobody would buy a mac just to use Vista on it, which is what it seems like Apple's mindset is, if they want to steal some market share. Yes, I agree, being able to run Vista is nice if you already have a mac, but nobody in their right mind would buy a mac to run Windows. By their logic they're actually helping Microsoft keep their market share, and just share a tiny portion of it with Apple, rather than hand any portion over entirely. I feel there's something else going on here.
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#15.1 Posted by TimesRunningOut on 24 Mar 2007 - 01:46
- I bought a Mac to run Windows on it, and I must say it is one of the better decisions I've made. The hardware is rock solid (I haven't had a single hang up), and it runs Vista balls fast. Did I mention that Vista has never crashed or mis-behaved. Shocking what happens when Apple's limited hardware support in effort to make good drivers for their hardware is applied to Windows.
And, didn't anyone else see this coming? C'mon, Apple couldn't beat Microsoft, so why not join them? Why do you think they switched to an Intel platform? Yeah, yeah, because of performance, oh and by the way we've been working on this little program called bootcamp. This is exactly what Apple wants, and I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now I can't buy an iMac preloaded with OsX and Vista
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#17 Posted by officesheep9 on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:01
- I doubt this is true, but stranger things have happened (like Symantec saying Vista is the most secure version of Windows ever...now that is just weird.)
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#18 Posted by sahwnllewellyn on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:04
- Dumb a** Apple may be they should let Mac run on a PC. The only true reason to switch to Intel is to run windows as well so Apple can take over Market of PC . Pretty smart though
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#18.1 Posted by dwarhya on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:18
- Dumb a** and smart at the same time ... there a trick to learn
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#18.2 Posted by kizzaaa on 24 Mar 2007 - 17:13
- Quote - (sahwnllewellyn said @ #1
Dumb a** Apple may be they should let Mac run on a PC. The only true reason to switch to Intel is to run windows as well so Apple can take over Market of PC . Pretty smart though
I'm sure there are more reasons than that. I have a Mac for everything and a PC for when I need to use Windows. I try to avoid using BootCamp.
Although I don't use Windows on my iMac, Apple's switch to x86(-64) technology did persuade me to purchase a Mac.
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#20 Posted by soLoredd on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:20
- I agree, I smell a pile of bull. Apple can easily push BootCamp updates across Software Update while still launching Leopard. Apple doesn't even provide tech support for BootCamp (I guess this will change though) so I can't see them delaying an entire OS launch just for that.
Besides, with the latest BootCamp release we have been able to get Vista to run for the most part. I'm sure within the last BC release (what, October 2006 or something?) Apple has been working on it.
I've always ignored the posts complaining about Neowin's front page news coverage but this time I feel it's valid. An 'unnamed source'? Are you kidding?
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#21 Posted by Novaoblivion on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:27
- This doesn't really make any sense to me plus digitimes doesn't have the greatest track record for predicting these things.
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#22 Posted by PsykX on 23 Mar 2007 - 20:49
- It makes no sense and does not deserve a front page on Neowin. I thought Neowin news were more accurate than this :
Boot Camp is quite apart from the OS because it's an application. Plus, Vista is already supported...
Oh, and digitimes doesn't have any source. Did they speak to someone from Apple? I believe not. -
#22.1 Posted by +Raa on 24 Mar 2007 - 00:56
- Quote - (PsykX said @ #1)Boot Camp is quite apart from the OS because it's an application. Plus, Vista is already supported...
Lets see your source for that quote, hmmm?
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#22.2 Posted by PsykX on 24 Mar 2007 - 14:19
- I hope you're not serious? Just go buy a Mac and do it yourself. I think I don't have to prove that BootCamp is not directly integrated in Mac OS and that Vista is already supported. The only hiccup is that the drivers could be improved a lot, but since you can download latest drivers from ATI's website and nVidia's, the video part is not a problem.
I remember when I tested a beta of Vista, I got a score of 4.8 in the hardware part, and it's by installing Vista on a Mac that people discovered it contained a wireless-n airport card.
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#22.3 Posted by kizzaaa on 24 Mar 2007 - 17:19
- Quote - (PsykX said @ #22)It makes no sense and does not deserve a front page on Neowin. I thought Neowin news were more accurate than this :
Boot Camp is quite apart from the OS because it's an application. Plus, Vista is already supported...
Oh, and digitimes doesn't have any source. Did they speak to someone from Apple? I believe not.
Vista is NOT supported.
I managed to install Windows Vista successfully on my iMac however I encountered many issues. Windows Vista performed very fast and very smooth, however it was unreliable - random crashes and BSODs. I just couldn't handle it, so after a few weeks I removed Windows.
Now when I use Vista, it's on my old AMD system. Although it's slower than my Mac, it doesn't crash.
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#23 [Guest] Posted by Guest on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:05
- This dosnt make any sense, as long as vista supports the hardware it should work. What the hell does Leopard have to do with that.
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#24 Posted by +lylesback2 on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:11
- those apple ads bash and bash windows for their spyware, viruses, and outrageous claims that Windows is doing poorly.. why does apple want Windows Vista to run on Mac hardware?
tell me apple.. if you don't like microsoft, why do you care so much for your operating system to work with microsofts? -
#24.1 Posted by Chad on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:23
- Quote - (lylesback2 said @ #24)those apple ads bash and bash windows for their spyware, viruses, and outrageous claims that Windows is doing poorly.. why does apple want Windows Vista to run on Mac hardware?
tell me apple.. if you don't like microsoft, why do you care so much for your operating system to work with microsofts?
Did you even read the article? The obvious answer is no. It's a rumor by some no-name site to gain hits.
He refuses to put the recent Symantec story that was posted in BPN on the front page, but he posts this tripe. Way to go.
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#24.2 Posted by simon360 on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:32
- In addition to the post above, they do care because most people still use Windows. I think they're actually referring to inside Leopard, not with Boot Camp. As a result, they want it to work with other Windows PC's as if the Mac was a Windows machine.
Still though, this story is a little far-fetched.
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#25 Posted by black_death on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:25
- Apple delaying the release of their new OS so Vista can have even more people buying it? ya that sounds exactly like something Apple would do. Sounds like development issues to me, making a new a version of Mail isn't easy stuff!
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#25.1 Posted by teriba on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:51
- Quote - (black_death said @ #1)Apple delaying the release of their new OS so Vista can have even more people buying it? ya that sounds exactly like something Apple would do. Sounds like development issues to me, making a new a version of Mail isn't easy stuff!
A new version with stationary in it! Something that has plagued Outlook Express since 1996.
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#26 Posted by C_Guy on 23 Mar 2007 - 21:34
- So Apple's "Get A Mac" site says, and I quote, "With the latest software options, an Intel-powered Mac can easily run Vista or Windows XP applications. Not that you’ll want to".
So Apple's customers won't want to run Vista or XP... but Apple won't release Leopard until they're absolutely sure they can run software they know their customers won't want to.
Maybe Windows is just too hard for Apple. I'm no Mac engineer but I run Vista on my iMac with zero problems and that was with the Beta edition of the software.
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#28 Posted by Turbonium on 23 Mar 2007 - 22:19
- When is Leopard slated for release anyway (totally ignoring this "I smell bull****" piece of news)?
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#29 Posted by hagjohn on 23 Mar 2007 - 22:28
- What load of crap. People already have Vista running on Bootcamp.
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#30 Posted by NightmarE D on 23 Mar 2007 - 22:41
- If there's any truth to this at all. All it does is show how these "I'm a Mac" commercials bashing Windows are complete garbage.
I'm actually hoping it's true. Right now I don't think it is, but if it turns out to be true....lol. All those ads just go right out the Window.
Mac Guy: Hey PC what's up?
PC Guy: Oh just reading the news. Interesting little tid-bit I have here
Mac Guy: What would that be PC?
PC Guy: I hear you're not fully ready for me? Might be a 6 month wait in that update you had scheduled here soon?
Mac Guy: We just-----
PC Guy: SHUSH....You need me, say it
Mac Guy: I don't-----
PC Guy: Tell me that you love me
Mac Guy: But I----
PC Guy: Love me? Can't live without me now? Need me in order to be loved and boost some sales?
*UAC Guy standing besides Mac Guy*
You have just come to a sad realization. Allow or Cancel
Mac Guy: Allow
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#30.2 Posted by NightmarE D on 23 Mar 2007 - 23:07
- Just wanted to clarify that I'm not bashing the Mac so don't even try starting any flame war. I wrote that just having fun. I already said I don't believe this story. Just saying that if it's true, there's my version of any future Mac ad
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#31 Posted by superhuman on 23 Mar 2007 - 23:02
- hahaha I just laugh
Let me break it down.
So, Leopard is Vista 2.0 - May be it is correct
So, Why Leopard needs to be delayed because of Vista 1.0? - Not sure
So, So Mac OS X is integrated with Windows Vista? - Not all at. Windows and Mac OS X are different and standalone products.
So why delay?
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#31.1 Posted by Jeremy1 on 23 Mar 2007 - 23:58
- Quote - (superhuman said @ #1)So, Leopard is Vista 2.0 - May be it is correct
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#31.2 Posted by QuarterSwede on 25 Mar 2007 - 18:20
- Quote - (Jeremy1 said @ #31.1)Quote - (superhuman said @ #1)So, Leopard is Vista 2.0 - May be it is correct
Leopard is catching up to Vista.
Now that's a laugh.
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#33 Posted by Jazket on 23 Mar 2007 - 23:19
- Woohoo... looks like Vista is got them intimidated.... lmao. how frreeeeaaaaking funny....
yeah too bad this is no official news.... just speculations...
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#35 Posted by tao muon on 24 Mar 2007 - 00:01
- Ya' know, I'm not an Apple guy, but have any of you Appleites thought that maybe Apple is working out a way to support Vista "natively" within Leopard, like in a VM- sans 'bootcamp'?
As said, I'm not an Apple user, but if they wanted to grab the largest possible hardware share as quickly as possible, this would be the way to go- take Parallels and other virtual machine companies out of the loop- let Vista run "IN" OSX.
If that's the case, it makes PERFECT sense: develop virtualization within OSX, provide the necessary BIOS hooks and interrups.
However, since I'm a Vista user, I hope this is not the case.
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#36 Posted by Slacker on 24 Mar 2007 - 02:54
- The apple website still says that Leopard is due in Spring 2007. If Apple was going to push the date ahead 6 months, I would think that they would quietly change thier website to something more obscure than Spring 2007, perhaps to something like "2007-ish". I think that this is all bull. Thier site would have been updated quietly if they were planning on a delay.
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#37 Posted by Qumahlin on 24 Mar 2007 - 03:34
- not to mention you can already load vista in bootcamp, there are just a few extra steps but nothing even that hard for the most part...
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#38 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 24 Mar 2007 - 13:07
- Apple would be bloody retarded if they delayed Leopard for Vista
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#39 Posted by serenityrule1515 on 24 Mar 2007 - 13:45
- isn't it strange how good Apple's os's are turning out compared to Microsoft's??
one thing is for sure..if it wasnt for microsofts MONOPOLY market dominance...then they wud be down the shitter...
so far Apple..is the only company that would get my ''PAT ON THE BACK''...their products have been reliable and good damn ''value for money''..something that microsoft all these years ignore...because they r so ignorant.
eventhough though i am an XP user...if i had the cash..i wud seriously go and buy my self the new duo intel laptop...the black one to be exact..they r amazing...not just that..it will be xciting to learn about a new os
say wot u want..but:
APPLE IS MICROSOFT'S KRYPTONITE...
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#39.1 Posted by NightmarE D on 24 Mar 2007 - 22:29
- So you're praising Apple and their great products and you don't even own one?
You just said it would be exciting to learn a new OS. I'm going to take a guess and say you've never even touched an Apple computer?
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#39.2 Posted by superhuman on 24 Mar 2007 - 22:32
- exactly pointless! hehe
I personally don't see Apple delaying Leopard for Vista. Maybe they'll offer a Boot Camp update later on, but I doubt they will delay the release by half a year. On the other hand, if it does happen, I will find it very hypocritical of Apple, considering their anti-Vista advertisements.