Microsoft Says Vista Sales Strong
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#1 Posted by +nicholas-c on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:38
- and im sure MANY people dont like it, had hardware compatibility issues and think it hasn't changed since XP
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#2 Posted by NateB1 on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:39
- In other words, Vista jumped to the 2nd most-used OS in 1 month. Cool!
I expect the sales to continue as people actually use Vista and enjoy the massive, massive amounts of new features and improvements. I certainly have. All my computers are now eXPired.
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#2.1 Posted by toadeater on 26 Mar 2007 - 21:16
- Quote - (NateB1 said @ #2)use Vista and enjoy the massive, massive amounts of new features and improvements.
Tell us another one.
Furthermore, Vista is still in last place (unless you count Win98 ) with a 1.2% marketshare in February. Even if that number doubled, it would still be less than Linux.
Scroll down to the middle of this page and look at "OS Platform Statistics".
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
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#2.2 Posted by david13lt on 27 Mar 2007 - 03:18
- Yeah, Vista is still the last one. Mac OS X, Linux and have more users now... But that should change in coming 2-4 months...
As I remember this is more accurate stats: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.asp...m=Windows+Vista -
#2.3 Posted by Quantum Coder on 02 Apr 2007 - 23:38
- Care to list these new features that you're using that isn't available in XP Pro or XP Media Center or via 3rd party?
1. How Vista implements security really should not be an end user's concern, it should be something an end user doesn't have to worry about nor deal with. It is still a problem in XP and in Vista. I've successfully install .NET based applications in Vista that I should not have been permitted to do either via ClickOnce or via some ASPX web code.
2. DRM implementation -- may not have stepped on you yet, but it will soon enough.
3. Microsoft Genuine Advantage -- this little gem is a windows service, it has the power to do a LOT more than just say "yup, valid Vista install" -- listen carefully to what Steve B. CEO of Microsoft says about Genuine Advantage and his concern of pirated Vista copies (and how they're affecting sales numbers).
What I find more disturbing about all the pro Vista responses is the lack of imagination. But there again, it's like voting in the US, most people just don't care -- "just give me whatever and it'll make my day". There are so many things Vista could have been but wasn't.
What should have been in Vista:
1. Accurate voice recognition that is seamless (put those extra core to use)
2. Device management similar to OSX where you can draw links between devices to establish direct connectivity
3. Self diagnostics when idle and error reporting on demand with filtering
4. Easy identification of process/thread to network activity over ports with ability to suspend
5. global registry cache so repeated calls go to memory first
...and a host of other items that would have made the OS experience that much better...
Competition is a good thing, Microsoft have been on a mission from day one to eliminate and control the market share. Without competition you do NOT get innovation, you do NOT get quality, you do NOT get agreesive discounts/pricing -- what we have with Microsoft is just enough to call it a version and make some more revenue.
The much touted compatibility is even more of a "maybe" -- the holy grail of retaining compatibility has been compromised. Oh did I forget to mention it's slow, a major resources hog, and has a ton more services active than WinXP.
Sales numbers don't mean much -- bottom line corporate tax filing and wait for records to be public. The ability for any corporation to hide it's "health" from the public isn't "new". Microsoft cut employee benefits a few years ago as a cost saving measure and contradiction from Microsoft execs on Vista sales is a classic sign of a problem.
I'm in the software industry and Vista is not being adopted, not by large corporations and not by small companies either. It's just not required and dot com days of free flowing cash to buy the latest and greatest on a massive scale are long gone. It is VERY difficult to present a business justification to upgrade.
But why do you Pro Vista folks want to eliminate "choice"? If there were a viable OS alternative to Microsoft, you can be sure the DX10 will be available for XP rather than leveraged to be ONLY available on Vista.
I use Mac OSX, *nix, XP, and Vista -- so far the best OS, I've code for and used is OSX. Hacking my way thru XP and Vista security model is a nightmare compared to the relatively simplicity of OSX. OSX was secure from day 1, security has always been a compatibility compromise and an after thought at Microsoft.
Facts:
1. Hardware upgrade is a recommendation for Vista (sure you can run it on your old stuff, but not as intended)
2. Apple's Leopard due out this month that might just run on ANY PC platform and also be able to run Vista/XP with 100% compatibility within Leopard.
3. Lack of DX10 capable video cards (three nVidia cards all based on the 8800)
Best advice is to WAIT AND SEE where the cards fall.
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#3 Posted by dugbug on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:40
- Wow. Here is a quote from Dell (its on MS press release) regarding premium vs lower edition sales:
“Since the launch of Windows Vista, Dell consumer customers have overwhelmingly chosen premium versions of the operating system that enable them to have a richer experience with music, video, photography and other computing applications they choose,”
So most likely home premium.
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#4 Posted by leesmithg on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:46
- so why are major etailers dropping the prices and /or offering half price deals on other software if you purchase vista if the sales are going up?
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#4.1 Posted by lbmouse on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:55
- Because MS is shitting in their pants. I talked to a friend of mine in Redmond that I used to work with. This is the reason for the price slashes and all of these rose-colored-glass PR announcements out of MS lately. The adoption rates is less than half of what she told me they expected. Corporations are not upgrading for numerous reasons, but mainly hardware requirements, software compatibility, stability and security fears, price, and the simple fact that Vista doesn't offer much of anything new to the average business user. Without this most profitable segment of OS purchasers, Vista could very well end up being another Bob or ME... but much more expensive.
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#4.2 Posted by dugbug on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:58
- Quote - (leesmithg said @ #4)so why are major etailers dropping the prices and /or offering half price deals on other software if you purchase vista if the sales are going up?
Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
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#4.3 Posted by lbmouse on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:03
- Quote - (dugbug said @ #4.2)Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
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#4.4 Posted by stifler6478 on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:06
- Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.1)Because MS is shitting in their pants. I talked to a friend of mine in Redmond that I used to work with. This is the reason for the price slashes and all of these rose-colored-glass PR announcements out of MS lately. The adoption rates is less than half of what she told me they expected. Corporations are not upgrading for numerous reasons, but mainly hardware requirements, software compatibility, stability and security fears, price, and the simple fact that Vista doesn't offer much of anything new to the average business user. Without this most profitable segment of OS purchasers, Vista could very well end up being another Bob or ME... but much more expensive.
You really should not post false information. You're full of crap and nobody with half a brain listens to you anyways because of posts like this.
The real answer is that Microsoft makes money either way. It doesn't cost them a heck of a lot to mass produce a DVD and a case (and even less when it's just OEM), so when the normal price for a license ranges from $100-$400, they're making a lot of money. That's why they so easily give out XP keys when you call or give academic/charity/etc discounts on the software.
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#4.5 Posted by leesmithg on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:13
- Quote - (dugbug said @ #4.2)Quote - (leesmithg said @ #4)so why are major etailers dropping the prices and /or offering half price deals on other software if you purchase vista if the sales are going up?
Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
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retail versions.
They are offering either roxio easy cd creator or norton internet security half price, also to mention they have cut prices also on vista. -
#4.6 Posted by dugbug on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:42
- Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.3)Quote - (dugbug said @ #4.2)Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
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Here you go.
Dude... a slash-dot article that references a new but unannounced upgrade discount that has been out for only a few weeks? I don't think the 20 Mil. installed base happend that fast. Further, its only for a 10% discount on additional upgrade licenses to folks who have already purchased vista. Its an expansion of the family discount offer that is part of ultimate.
To quote the orignal news article (and this is putting it mildly):
The discounts are modest when put into context.
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#4.7 Posted by lbmouse on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:48
- Quote - (stifler6478 said @ #4.4)You really should not post false information. You're full of crap and nobody with half a brain listens to you anyways because of posts like this.
I worked there in the mid 90's and still have numerous friends in Redmond. Do you? Didn't think so, so how do you know if I'm full crap? Please keep these half-assed assumptions to yourself and shut up. MS is nothing more than a company that creates technology tools and services, nothing more nothing less. They screw up like every other company. It is my right as a consumer to voice my opinion as well as point out facts that I come across. They are screwing up with Vista. This is the opinion that I've made based on the facts that I've presented with. MS is basing the success of Vista on adoption and saturation rates and these are truly dismal. -
#4.8 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 26 Mar 2007 - 22:35
- Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.1)Because MS is shitting in their pants. I talked to a friend of mine in Redmond that I used to work with. This is the reason for the price slashes and all of these rose-colored-glass PR announcements out of MS lately. The adoption rates is less than half of what she told me they expected. Corporations are not upgrading for numerous reasons, but mainly hardware requirements, software compatibility, stability and security fears, price, and the simple fact that Vista doesn't offer much of anything new to the average business user. Without this most profitable segment of OS purchasers, Vista could very well end up being another Bob or ME... but much more expensive.
Yes, that's exactly how it is, even if some clueless Vista fanboys refuse to see the truth (I guess they have been butt-humped by Gates or Ballmer and really liked it
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Vista has a very poor adoption rate, not only because it hardly offers anything new, but also because of many design flaws in Vista, poor hardware and software compatibility and high hardware requirements. If you still have older hard- and software, then you're often out of luck as Vista compatibility will often only be provided for the newest version of hard- and software, e.g.: nVidia won't support the older nForce2+3 chipsets under Vista, and you need to upgrade to the newest version of most programs since onyl those are Vista compatible. Thus, upgrading hard- and software as required is quite costy, and what you get in return for these massive expenses with Vista is laughable - so businesses rather pass on it.
If MS wouldn't have the Oems who are putting Vista on every new PC regardless if costumers want it or not, Vista sales would be disastrous... and even there, some Oems are rather sticking with XP, while Dell already looks at Linux as an alternative, so obviously it doesn't do too well with the Oems either.
Describing Vista as the ME of the NT line would be very fitting indeed
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#4.9 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:39
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Yes, that's exactly how it is, even if some clueless Vista fanboys refuse to see the truth (I guess they have been butt-humped by Gates or Ballmer and really liked it )
Vista has a very poor adoption rate
So these figures, despite being more than twice that of XP, demonstrate that Vista has a "very poor" adoption rate? Strange. I really wish people would criticise Vista for its actual faults, rather than making up bull**** in an attempt to justify their claims. OEMs choose Vista because that's what customers want (the latest stuff), not because they have some pact with Microsoft - some OEMs still ship XP, mainly because Vista is very new, but to regard that as a disaster for Vista is pathetic and without merit.Quote - (Aero Ultimate said @ #4.Describing Vista as the ME of the NT line would be very fitting indeed
Fitting? No. Without merit? Yes. Last time I checked ME didn't introduce a new driver system, user interface, security regime, gaming platform (DX10) or much of anything - it was a small update designed with some improvements to media playback. So you can continue to pull insults out of your ass but as long as you do I will be here to tear them down and expose you as a bigoted fool. -
#4.10 Posted by lbmouse on 27 Mar 2007 - 02:08
- Quote - (theyarecomingforyou said @ #4.9)So these figures, despite being more than twice that of XP, demonstrate that Vista has a "very poor" adoption rate? Strange.
What is the percentage of home/school/corp computer saturation across the globe from when XP was released? Do you might think the number of computers have at least tripled, quadrupled, or maybe even a little more more?
This is the same spin that Sony is doing with the PS3. It's the same damage control that the marketing goons have done since the beginning of time.Quote - (theyarecomingforyou said @ #4.9)I really wish people would criticize Vista for its actual faults, rather than making up bull**** in an attempt to justify their claims. OEMs choose Vista because that's what customers want.
OEMs have no choice. Please remember that sir. As a member of the MS community that uses MS tools on a daily basis in my work, I have every right to be the squeaky-wheel, drum-banger, and perpetual whiner. After all I am one of the people that made Bill Gates a Billionaire.Quote - (Aero Ultimate said @ #4.So you can continue to pull insults out of your ass but as long as you do I will be here to tear them down and expose you as a bigoted fool.
I'm not insulting anyone. I love my industry and want it to survive. I've been around since the PDP11-70 working on FORTAN-77. I have the right to scream and yell at MS because they keep screwing up.
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#4.11 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 28 Mar 2007 - 00:32
- Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.10)I'm not insulting anyone. [...] Post back when you have a real job.
LMAO.Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.10)Do you might think the number of computers have at least tripled, quadrupled, or maybe even a little more more?
Indeed that is quite possibly the case, but you don't rush out to buy a new fridge everytime a new model is release - why should computing be any different? It's not possible to draw a line from the increase in computers to project what sales for Vista should be - they do not correlate. A person running Word, browsing the web and checking email does not require Vista, does not require a dual-core processor, doesn't need a DirectX9 graphics card, doesn't need surround sound, doesn't need a wireless mouse, doesn't need a flat-screen monitor, etc - that doesn't mean those technologies are a failure or less effective than their predecessors.Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.10)OEMs have no choice. Please remember that sir.
Dell ship XP with SLI systems. They're not forced to use Vista and compromise functionality. However, Dell wants to ship Vista because it looks better and there's a bit of buzz about it - soon people will not want to be using the "out-of-date" XP. It's not a big conspiracy but Microsoft is obviously keen for businesses and customers to move onto Vista and so will provide incentives - OEMs will be eager to accept as they benefit and the customer does to (minus short-term compatability issues).Quote - (lbmouse said @ #4.10)This is the same spin that Sony is doing with the PS3. It's the same damage control that the marketing goons have done since the beginning of time.
Last I heard was the PS3 had sold more than any other new console and had outsold the X360 for the same period. So it's not a failure, though the figures are much less than people were expecting. The reality is a confusing picture, something picked up by people with predetermined opinions to suit their arguement. This is the same with you and Vista - you pick out a subset of points and statistics to make a point but ignore the larger picture.
So, both Microsoft and Sony have made some big mistakes. But both also have very successful products... products that could have been more successful, though are still doing very well nonetheless. -
#4.12 Posted by ichi on 28 Mar 2007 - 09:49
- Quote - (theyarecomingforyou said @ #4.11)Indeed that is quite possibly the case, but you don't rush out to buy a new fridge everytime a new model is release - why should computing be any different?
Should it be different? No, but people think it is.
They get spammed with ads telling their computer has suddenly become too slow to do all the work they were doing perfectly fine before, telling that previous versions of the software they're using are not longer adequate (and new versions, part because of crappy programming, part because of unneeded features hogging resources) sometimes require a hardware upgrade.
And then you have all that people that think they need a new box when their PC starts crawling because of all the spyware and viruses.
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#5 Posted by Zoozle Bot™ on 26 Mar 2007 - 19:57
- Course it's popular. I had to buy 17 copies of the thing for my business.
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#5.1 Posted by Croquant on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:54
- Quote - (Zoozle Bot™ said @ #5)Course it's popular. I had to buy 17 copies of the thing for my business.
Really? Why?
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#6 Posted by plastikaa on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:05
- Does this include the probably millions of copies of free upgrades to Vista for those who bought PCs prior to xmas (until the release day)?
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#6.1 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 26 Mar 2007 - 22:40
- Yes, it says that the free upgrades ( "Express Upgrade" ) are included in this.
Anything is right for them to bloat the sales figures as much as possible
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#7 Posted by guruparan on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:07
- hmm...i am one of those...bought Home premium...true to say, its the best OS i ever used...! it works cool without any crashes (atleast for me) in my PC...
my pc : pentium dual core 2.6 ghz, 1 GB ram, 256 mb 7300 nvidia graphics card, 40 GB + 160 GB hdd! -
#7.1 Posted by Johnny105 on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:23
- Quote - (guruparan said @ #7)hmm...i am one of those...bought Home premium...true to say, its the best OS i ever used...! it works cool without any crashes (atleast for me) in my PC...
my pc : pentium dual core 2.6 ghz, 1 GB ram, 256 mb 7300 nvidia graphics card, 40 GB + 160 GB hdd!
And did you experience crashes with XP?....if you're truthful, the answer should be no. It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are. Companies like MS have no reason to be truly innovative if zombies like you are willing to purchase any rubbish they choose to churn out -
#7.2 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 27 Mar 2007 - 01:50
- I've had crashes with XP and Vista, though Vista has been a very pleasant experience overall.Quote -It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are.
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#7.3 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 27 Mar 2007 - 13:32
- Quote - (Johnny105 said @ #7.1)And did you experience crashes with XP?....if you're truthful, the answer should be no. It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are.
Yes, XP is already rock-solid. Didn't crash once on me since I started using it 2001, which is a huge improvement over the crash-prone Win98 I was using before.
Now with XP64 (which is based on Server 2003), I have the advantages of 64bit software as well (like e.g. being able to use the full 4GB+ of memory).Quote - (Johnny105 said @ #7.1)Companies like MS have no reason to be truly innovative if zombies like you are willing to purchase any rubbish they choose to churn out
Sad, but just all too true
It was the same with IE6, MS left it unchanged for years because they didn't bother as there was no competition. Only with Firefox becoming popular, they saw themselves forced to make IE7 and copied features like tabs and Rss, as they can't come up with anything good themselves.
Vista is a mash-up of flawed design, half-assed and badly implemented features and poor software and hardware compatibilities, but there are still enough zombies buying any crap, so MS has no reason to make anything decent
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#7.4 Posted by plastikaa on 27 Mar 2007 - 13:54
- Truthully XP does crash - but not like 98 and others. Instead of locking the whole system up they changed the way the OS worked so the program just stops working, notice you get those error reports in XP but not in 98. in Earlier version of windows something like that "closed unexpectedly" message would have been a blue screen of death.
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#8 Posted by Smigit on 26 Mar 2007 - 20:45
- so ummm, wheres my express upgrade
. It was validated 17 Jan and is still awaiting shipping. Bloody insane.
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#9 Posted by Croquant on 26 Mar 2007 - 21:26
- I wonder how much Microsoft paid e-week for this trash?
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#9.1 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 26 Mar 2007 - 22:43
- Perhaps a new Mercedes SL for every editor if they're bringing this rubbish.
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#10 Posted by z0phi3l on 26 Mar 2007 - 23:10
- I work with PCs and two coworkers have recently bought new Laptops, verdict? VISTA SUCKS!! (emphasis not mine
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#10.1 Posted by superhuman on 26 Mar 2007 - 23:21
- it is ironic that people says so. I personally don't see it sucks in any way. I use a vista pc at work (single core and 1GB). It runs fast and never crash.
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#10.2 Posted by Krome on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:04
- I have always jump on the bandwagon of switching to new OS right away after Microsoft release their RTM. Has been my habits since Windows 3.11 till Windows XP. I just can't jump ship yet with Windows Vista. Somehow Vista does not cut. Used Vista already and have been trying it and it just doesn't catch my flavor.
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#10.3 Posted by Xavien on 27 Mar 2007 - 04:16
- Quote - (z0phi3l said @ #10)I work with PCs and two coworkers have recently bought new Laptops, verdict? VISTA SUCKS!! (emphasis not mine)
I can relate to this, I run an IT servicing and programming business; and a few of my customers have brought new computers recently, they came preloaded with Vista, even when they specifically stated they wanted Windows XP preloaded, they came with Vista instead.
Ofcourse they got the company to send someone out to install Windows XP on for them.
Right now, people just don't want vista, but OEM's like DELL, HP and such are trying to sell as many copies of the OS as they can, not because they want to, but in order to still receive wholesale discounts for Windows, they 'have' to.
This probably accounts for a large portion of these sales.
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#11 Posted by Esvandiary on 26 Mar 2007 - 23:38
- In other news... Symantec says Norton products industry-leading.
Seriously... What else are they gonna say?
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#12 Posted by Johnny105 on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:26
- Quote -Quote - (guruparan said @ #7)
hmm...i am one of those...bought Home premium...true to say, its the best OS i ever used...! it works cool without any crashes (atleast for me) in my PC...
And did you experience crashes with XP?....if you're truthful, the answer should be no. It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are. Companies like MS have no reason to be truly innovative if zombies like you are willing to purchase any rubbish they choose to churn out -
#12.1 Posted by family guy on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:54
- XP crashed on me. If anything I would think you're a zombie for believing it can't.
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#13 Posted by BigBoy on 27 Mar 2007 - 00:57
- I find it pretty amusing how Neowin is full of expert and well-Redmond-connected people that have reliable sources so they really know the true state of Vista sales, because obviously, MS must be lying everywhere they can. That's priceless I got to say. Definitely the right place to come to to learn what's really going on!
/endsarcasm
I find it pretty sad however that threads like this inevitably lead to some personal insults and things escalate and deteriorate very quickly. Please. Stop. If you got nothing else to say other than someone before you is a moron or mentally challenged, then don't. Just don't say anything. Morons have the right to their opinion too, even though it's different than your own! -
#13.1 Posted by Johnny105 on 27 Mar 2007 - 03:18
- Quote - (BigBoy said @ #13)I find it pretty amusing how Neowin is full of expert and well-Redmond-connected people that have reliable sources so they really know the true state of Vista sales, because obviously, MS must be lying everywhere they can. That's priceless I got to say. Definitely the right place to come to to learn what's really going on!
/endsarcasm
I find it pretty sad however that threads like this inevitably lead to some personal insults and things escalate and deteriorate very quickly. Please. Stop. If you got nothing else to say other than someone before you is a moron or mentally challenged, then don't. Just don't say anything. Morons have the right to their opinion too, even though it's different than your own!
Your sarcasm and associated comments are misplaced. It is easily demonstrable that persons who purchase Vista, to replace XP, are acting irrationally. Before you launch into more meaningless platitudes, stop and REALLY THINK. If people are so willing to accept ANYTHING labelled "NEW", what incentive will MS have to truly exert themselves? -
#13.2 Posted by MrCobra on 27 Mar 2007 - 05:24
- That so called "NEW" thing has been going for over 20 years. They just keep piling crap on top of crap on top of crap and call it new and feature rich. Nothing with Windows is hardly ever new. Feature that were added to one version were left out the previous version because of thier self imposed impossible ship dates. There hasn't been a new version of Windows since 1.0 went gold. They haven't exerted themselves in a long long time.
As for the strong sales...I say those figures are grosly inflated to show an advantage. I don't see how they can count the free versions they have given away as a sale.
My work purchased new desktops with Vista preloaded and there were nothing but problems. They ran nice and fast but bluescreen'd more often than not. If a machine is sold as Vista ready and capable then it should be just that. The PCs that were purchased were returned.
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#14 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Mar 2007 - 10:18
- I have Vista on my PC. I have not expirenced one crash so far and my expierence has been flawless.
I have no idea what all of you are bitching and hating about. Just because Bill can wipe his ass with 100 dollar bills and you can't and has a great new OS out on the market, does not give you any reason to hate on Microsoft/Vista.
I have 0 hardware issues and Vista loads my programs faster than XP ever did. If you want to kid yourself saying that this is a bad OS, its because your cheap ass does not have enough to buy it or your another one of these "Linux/OSX ownz yuuu!" people to whom I say **** off and enjoy your choice of OS while I enjoy mine. -
#14.1 Posted by ichi on 27 Mar 2007 - 10:35
- And anyone disagreeing with you is obviously wrong. Also chances are those with a different opinion are actually MS-haters, because Vista is GOOD (if only because you said so)
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#14.2 Posted by plastikaa on 27 Mar 2007 - 13:41
- I won't buy Vista yet purely because my RAID drivers aren't compatible yet to my knowledge and also because my printer manufacturer hasnt upgraded the drivers yet to be vista compatible. As a result my laptop would be useless.
I have nothing against Vista or Microsofts OS - just the fact they didnt get the information needed to hardware manufacturers early enough so that they could make my PC work with Vista ... I have no idea if this is MS fault or the other companys after all a lot of hem did get there hardware sorted - but not all of them! -
#14.3 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Mar 2007 - 15:45
- Quote - (ichi said @ #14.1)And anyone disagreeing with you is obviously wrong. Also chances are those with a different opinion are actually MS-haters, because Vista is GOOD (if only because you said so)
Exactly because Windows works for myself and other users when they are saying it sucks/has issues/does not work.
Vista sucks = Opinion
Vista works = Fact
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#14.4 Posted by ichi on 27 Mar 2007 - 20:36
- Quote - (rIaHc3 said @ #14.3)Lets see if next time we post we know the difference between "opinion" and "fact".
Exactly, lets see if next time you follow your own advice instead of calling "cheap ass" and "MS-haters" to those that express an opinion different from yours.
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#15 Posted by ichi on 27 Mar 2007 - 10:22
- How many windows licenses were sold in the same month last year? Are they also counting licenses sold to OEMs, that might or might not be actually bought by customers?
Saying that X copies has been sold without giving any details and then comparing it with 5 years old numbers tells nothing about Vista being successful or not.
Every major OEM is preinstalling Vista on every PC. Of course it's going to sell, as long as people keep buying computers.
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#16 Posted by Shroomjohnny on 27 Mar 2007 - 10:53
- *cough* humm I think there is a lie to that, these vista buyers must be rolling back to xp. you have to buy vista named vista upgrade and roll back to xp
. I have tried vista and it is OK except the voice thing which works ish! but I can see its use but if it's not working properly I think many disabled users will get fed up but they are fixing it. But I have yet to see much use of it since the 32bit support and drivers for older software and games etc are not coming out. until then I will not make the switch, oh and also some software companies are not making drivers for vista. The old products made for xp will not work >.<. I'm not prepared to spend yet more money on something that is just a bit faster with fancy stuff on it... and some people have found themselves doing the 32bit vista upgrade from xp and wanting to go back, oh dear they cant oops. Not every person is ready for vista like me until there is enough updates on drivers.
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#17 Posted by Xsabin on 27 Mar 2007 - 13:35
- Don't you wish vista caught up with the rest of the world?
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#17.1 Posted by Aero Ultimate on 27 Mar 2007 - 13:48
- Quote - (Xsabin said @ #17)Don't you wish vista caught up with the rest of the world?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws...ted&search=
Not gonna happen, I seriously doubt we'll see stuff like that in Vienna (the next Windows version). Perhaps they manage to copy a bit of it for Windows 8.0 -
#17.2 Posted by rIaHc3 on 27 Mar 2007 - 15:54
- Quote - (Xsabin said @ #17)Don't you wish vista caught up with the rest of the world?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws...ted&search=
I saw 1:30 of the video and it is crap. I rather have more features than stupid gimmick crap like that. That is just gonna be some cool trend for 4 months and thats it.
But hey believe what you want to believe
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#18 Posted by NateB1 on 27 Mar 2007 - 14:13
- Wow. There is a lot of FUD going on here.
Vista is a huge upgrade to XP. Especially if you work with programs that consume multi-gigs of RAM. I have been using it since November and have had very few problems with it. The only problems I have had with it were with Creative's drivers.
No, vista does not "suck". I just helped a family yesterday set up a new laptop from Dell that had Vista on it. After I reformatted the hard drive and reinstalled Vista, I walked them through the new features, like the instant search and the parental controls, and they seemed very pleased with it.
If a computer illiterate person does get a Vista computer with no one to walk them through the new features, of course they might come to the conclusion that "vista sucks!" However, if they are shown what Vista is capable of, I can practically guarantee they will like it better than XP.
Microsoft did not "screw up" with Vista. I'm sorry, but Vista has a much, much better memory management system (I know this from personal experience), starts/sleeps/shuts down faster, much improved audio stack, games run faster in Vista than XP (with nVidia's latest drivers), search is better, dialogs are more helpful, a lot of the annoyances of XP (like the infamous "wireless networks are available!" balloon) are gone, and overall the user experience is better. By that I mean that the dialogs display information in a way anyone can understand. Instead of generic buttons like "yes", "No", "OK", "Cancel", they actually display an action, like "Don't Save", "Delete", "Save", etc.
Vista really shines when multi-tasking. When I rendered video/CGI on XP, I could not do anything but let the thing render. With Vista, I can browse the web, play music, watch HD videos, and my computer is barely slowed down. This is with a single core Pentium Centrino.
All of you who are posting negative things about Vista need to run it for at least a month on a capable computer (1 gig ram minimum) and give it another chance. Yes, settings are in different places, and no, your full-screen DOS games won't work in Vista any more, but I can tell you from personal experience (along with others that I know who have installed Vista) that you will eventually find Vista to be better than XP. At first glance Vista may seem annoying and messed up (UAC prompts come to mind), but after using it for a while, the annoyances go away.
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#19 [Guest] Posted by Guest on 27 Mar 2007 - 16:18
- Its amazing to me how Microsoft can post sales figures for a product and all the bashers rush in with their "it's all lies!" or "I know a friend in Redmond who says its lies!" crap. The nay-sayers seem to have contacted every corporation and found out whether or not they've upgraded and why. They have all the answers and it's a good thing they are here to protect us from Microsoft's lies. If you hate Vista well, good for you. But don't act like you know better than the sales figures Microsoft is posting. Are you so naiive to think that they're just going to make up numbers to make themselves look good? Or do you think that since you hate Vista so much then no one could like it, therefore, Microsoft is lying, therefore, Vista sucks for this reason and that reason and the rant goes on and on until you realize that you actually don't have more credibility than factual sales numbers?
This article has nothing to do with the features of Vista or how much you like it, yet, the comments always get twisted in that direction. It's about sales figures. Vista has already beat XP's sales figures in the same time period after its release. Let's talk about that. Vista is Microsoft's "fastest adopted version of Windows, ever". That's a great accomplishment for Microsoft whether you like Vista or not. You can think its a lie if you want to but the numbers are what they are. Opinions do not change numbers.
Vista hasn't come close to causing the excitement there was for the launch of Windows 95. And there are some good reasons why it hasn't. Yet, in the face of all this negativity surrounding Vista, Microsoft reports very strong sales figures. Now imagine if the next Windows is as innovative as Windows 95 was in its time. They nay-sayers won't know what to say.
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#20 Posted by +Skwerl on 27 Mar 2007 - 17:59
- There's not a whole lot Microsoft can do to overinflate these numbers. Remember that there are stockholders and the SEC to answer to, so Microsoft can't just make up numbers without having something to prove them when quarterly report time comes around. You can bet your ass that MS is under the microscope, too (post Enron, etc.), and it's doubtful they'd try any funny business. I know that there seem to be a lot of conspiracy theorists (whom oddly gravitate toward Linux...) lurking about that would disagree, but really it's unlikely that there are as many conspiracies as they'd have you believe...
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#21 Posted by Patchou on 27 Mar 2007 - 20:00
- Sometimes I wonder if I'm coming from another planet when I say that I like Vista and happily use it every day for both work and leisure. It's funny to see the evolution though... almost everybody here defends XP as being a great OS and I remember when it was launched 5 years ago, so many people were attacking it as being a newly skinned, completely useless Windows 2000.
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#21.1 Posted by +Skwerl on 27 Mar 2007 - 20:12
- People are always frightened of anything new that falls outside their comfort zone, so the attack it or listen to what some person two cubicles down the hall talk about how their 16-year-old hates it and is a computer genius because he sells iPods at Circuit City.
Kutz declined to break down the numbers by region or per each of the six Vista editions but did note that sales were strong across the globe. Microsoft is expected to disclose more regional and version sales details when it releases its quarterly financial figures in late April. Kutz did acknowledge that, historically, there tended to be a rush of sales immediately after a product's launch, which varied according to the time of year. "It's worth noting that with XP, which we launched in late October in advance of the holiday season, those figures captured some of the holiday rush," he said. With regard to sales of Office 2007 over the same period, Kutz said Microsoft was not disclosing any sales figures, adding that "the folk at Office are pleased right now with the initial response."