Kevin Kutz, a director in Microsoft's Windows client group, has announced that over 20 million copies of Windows Vista were sold globally in the first month of sales since the consumer release (February 2007) compared to more than the 17 million copies of Windows XP that were sold in the first two months following its release in October 2001. "These sales figures reflect global sales from retail, PC manufacturers and the Express Upgrade program, and indicate that we are on track to more than double the initial pace of sales for Windows XP, and for Vista to become the fastest adopted version of Windows ever," Kutz said. These sales figures were compiled by Microsoft based on sales reports from its retail and PC manufacturers over the period, as well as from the Express Upgrade program.
Kutz declined to break down the numbers by region or per each of the six Vista editions but did note that sales were strong across the globe. Microsoft is expected to disclose more regional and version sales details when it releases its quarterly financial figures in late April. Kutz did acknowledge that, historically, there tended to be a rush of sales immediately after a product's launch, which varied according to the time of year. "It's worth noting that with XP, which we launched in late October in advance of the holiday season, those figures captured some of the holiday rush," he said. With regard to sales of Office 2007 over the same period, Kutz said Microsoft was not disclosing any sales figures, adding that "the folk at Office are pleased right now with the initial response."
News source: eWeek
Kutz declined to break down the numbers by region or per each of the six Vista editions but did note that sales were strong across the globe. Microsoft is expected to disclose more regional and version sales details when it releases its quarterly financial figures in late April. Kutz did acknowledge that, historically, there tended to be a rush of sales immediately after a product's launch, which varied according to the time of year. "It's worth noting that with XP, which we launched in late October in advance of the holiday season, those figures captured some of the holiday rush," he said. With regard to sales of Office 2007 over the same period, Kutz said Microsoft was not disclosing any sales figures, adding that "the folk at Office are pleased right now with the initial response."
News source: eWeek
I expect the sales to continue as people actually use Vista and enjoy the massive, massive amounts of new features and improvements. I certainly have. All my computers are now eXPired.
Tell us another one.
Furthermore, Vista is still in last place (unless you count Win98 ) with a 1.2% marketshare in February. Even if that number doubled, it would still be less than Linux.
Scroll down to the middle of this page and look at "OS Platform Statistics".
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
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As I remember this is more accurate stats: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.asp...m=Windows+Vista
1. How Vista implements security really should not be an end user's concern, it should be something an end user doesn't have to worry about nor deal with. It is still a problem in XP and in Vista. I've successfully install .NET based applications in Vista that I should not have been permitted to do either via ClickOnce or via some ASPX web code.
2. DRM implementation -- may not have stepped on you yet, but it will soon enough.
3. Microsoft Genuine Advantage -- this little gem is a windows service, it has the power to do a LOT more than just say "yup, valid Vista install" -- listen carefully to what Steve B. CEO of Microsoft says about Genuine Advantage and his concern of pirated Vista copies (and how they're affecting sales numbers).
What I find more disturbing about all the pro Vista responses is the lack of imagination. But there again, it's like voting in the US, most people just don't care -- "just give me whatever and it'll make my day". There are so many things Vista could have been but wasn't.
What should have been in Vista:
1. Accurate voice recognition that is seamless (put those extra core to use)
2. Device management similar to OSX where you can draw links between devices to establish direct connectivity
3. Self diagnostics when idle and error reporting on demand with filtering
4. Easy identification of process/thread to network activity over ports with ability to suspend
5. global registry cache so repeated calls go to memory first
...and a host of other items that would have made the OS experience that much better...
Competition is a good thing, Microsoft have been on a mission from day one to eliminate and control the market share. Without competition you do NOT get innovation, you do NOT get quality, you do NOT get agreesive discounts/pricing -- what we have with Microsoft is just enough to call it a version and make some more revenue.
The much touted compatibility is even more of a "maybe" -- the holy grail of retaining compatibility has been compromised. Oh did I forget to mention it's slow, a major resources hog, and has a ton more services active than WinXP.
Sales numbers don't mean much -- bottom line corporate tax filing and wait for records to be public. The ability for any corporation to hide it's "health" from the public isn't "new". Microsoft cut employee benefits a few years ago as a cost saving measure and contradiction from Microsoft execs on Vista sales is a classic sign of a problem.
I'm in the software industry and Vista is not being adopted, not by large corporations and not by small companies either. It's just not required and dot com days of free flowing cash to buy the latest and greatest on a massive scale are long gone. It is VERY difficult to present a business justification to upgrade.
But why do you Pro Vista folks want to eliminate "choice"? If there were a viable OS alternative to Microsoft, you can be sure the DX10 will be available for XP rather than leveraged to be ONLY available on Vista.
I use Mac OSX, *nix, XP, and Vista -- so far the best OS, I've code for and used is OSX. Hacking my way thru XP and Vista security model is a nightmare compared to the relatively simplicity of OSX. OSX was secure from day 1, security has always been a compatibility compromise and an after thought at Microsoft.
Facts:
1. Hardware upgrade is a recommendation for Vista (sure you can run it on your old stuff, but not as intended)
2. Apple's Leopard due out this month that might just run on ANY PC platform and also be able to run Vista/XP with 100% compatibility within Leopard.
3. Lack of DX10 capable video cards (three nVidia cards all based on the 8800)
Best advice is to WAIT AND SEE where the cards fall.
“Since the launch of Windows Vista, Dell consumer customers have overwhelmingly chosen premium versions of the operating system that enable them to have a richer experience with music, video, photography and other computing applications they choose,”
So most likely home premium.
-d
Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
-d
-d
Here you go.
You really should not post false information. You're full of crap and nobody with half a brain listens to you anyways because of posts like this.
The real answer is that Microsoft makes money either way. It doesn't cost them a heck of a lot to mass produce a DVD and a case (and even less when it's just OEM), so when the normal price for a license ranges from $100-$400, they're making a lot of money. That's why they so easily give out XP keys when you call or give academic/charity/etc discounts on the software.
-Spenser
Can you list the deals (or are you refering to the OEM version)? Amazon has a small discount off of the retail price, but its nothing to go gang-busters over.
-d
retail versions.
They are offering either roxio easy cd creator or norton internet security half price, also to mention they have cut prices also on vista.
-d
Here you go.
Dude... a slash-dot article that references a new but unannounced upgrade discount that has been out for only a few weeks? I don't think the 20 Mil. installed base happend that fast. Further, its only for a 10% discount on additional upgrade licenses to folks who have already purchased vista. Its an expansion of the family discount offer that is part of ultimate.
To quote the orignal news article (and this is putting it mildly):
The discounts are modest when put into context.
-d
I worked there in the mid 90's and still have numerous friends in Redmond. Do you? Didn't think so, so how do you know if I'm full crap? Please keep these half-assed assumptions to yourself and shut up. MS is nothing more than a company that creates technology tools and services, nothing more nothing less. They screw up like every other company. It is my right as a consumer to voice my opinion as well as point out facts that I come across. They are screwing up with Vista. This is the opinion that I've made based on the facts that I've presented with. MS is basing the success of Vista on adoption and saturation rates and these are truly dismal.
Yes, that's exactly how it is, even if some clueless Vista fanboys refuse to see the truth (I guess they have been butt-humped by Gates or Ballmer and really liked it
Vista has a very poor adoption rate, not only because it hardly offers anything new, but also because of many design flaws in Vista, poor hardware and software compatibility and high hardware requirements. If you still have older hard- and software, then you're often out of luck as Vista compatibility will often only be provided for the newest version of hard- and software, e.g.: nVidia won't support the older nForce2+3 chipsets under Vista, and you need to upgrade to the newest version of most programs since onyl those are Vista compatible. Thus, upgrading hard- and software as required is quite costy, and what you get in return for these massive expenses with Vista is laughable - so businesses rather pass on it.
If MS wouldn't have the Oems who are putting Vista on every new PC regardless if costumers want it or not, Vista sales would be disastrous... and even there, some Oems are rather sticking with XP, while Dell already looks at Linux as an alternative, so obviously it doesn't do too well with the Oems either.
Describing Vista as the ME of the NT line would be very fitting indeed
Vista has a very poor adoption rate
So these figures, despite being more than twice that of XP, demonstrate that Vista has a "very poor" adoption rate? Strange. I really wish people would criticise Vista for its actual faults, rather than making up bull**** in an attempt to justify their claims. OEMs choose Vista because that's what customers want (the latest stuff), not because they have some pact with Microsoft - some OEMs still ship XP, mainly because Vista is very new, but to regard that as a disaster for Vista is pathetic and without merit.
Fitting? No. Without merit? Yes. Last time I checked ME didn't introduce a new driver system, user interface, security regime, gaming platform (DX10) or much of anything - it was a small update designed with some improvements to media playback. So you can continue to pull insults out of your ass but as long as you do I will be here to tear them down and expose you as a bigoted fool.
What is the percentage of home/school/corp computer saturation across the globe from when XP was released? Do you might think the number of computers have at least tripled, quadrupled, or maybe even a little more more?
This is the same spin that Sony is doing with the PS3. It's the same damage control that the marketing goons have done since the beginning of time.
OEMs have no choice. Please remember that sir. As a member of the MS community that uses MS tools on a daily basis in my work, I have every right to be the squeaky-wheel, drum-banger, and perpetual whiner. After all I am one of the people that made Bill Gates a Billionaire.
I'm not insulting anyone. I love my industry and want it to survive. I've been around since the PDP11-70 working on FORTAN-77. I have the right to scream and yell at MS because they keep screwing up.
It appears that you have not held al tech job. Post back when you have a real job.
LMAO.
Indeed that is quite possibly the case, but you don't rush out to buy a new fridge everytime a new model is release - why should computing be any different? It's not possible to draw a line from the increase in computers to project what sales for Vista should be - they do not correlate. A person running Word, browsing the web and checking email does not require Vista, does not require a dual-core processor, doesn't need a DirectX9 graphics card, doesn't need surround sound, doesn't need a wireless mouse, doesn't need a flat-screen monitor, etc - that doesn't mean those technologies are a failure or less effective than their predecessors.
Dell ship XP with SLI systems. They're not forced to use Vista and compromise functionality. However, Dell wants to ship Vista because it looks better and there's a bit of buzz about it - soon people will not want to be using the "out-of-date" XP. It's not a big conspiracy but Microsoft is obviously keen for businesses and customers to move onto Vista and so will provide incentives - OEMs will be eager to accept as they benefit and the customer does to (minus short-term compatability issues).
Last I heard was the PS3 had sold more than any other new console and had outsold the X360 for the same period. So it's not a failure, though the figures are much less than people were expecting. The reality is a confusing picture, something picked up by people with predetermined opinions to suit their arguement. This is the same with you and Vista - you pick out a subset of points and statistics to make a point but ignore the larger picture.
So, both Microsoft and Sony have made some big mistakes. But both also have very successful products... products that could have been more successful, though are still doing very well nonetheless.
Should it be different? No, but people think it is.
They get spammed with ads telling their computer has suddenly become too slow to do all the work they were doing perfectly fine before, telling that previous versions of the software they're using are not longer adequate (and new versions, part because of crappy programming, part because of unneeded features hogging resources) sometimes require a hardware upgrade.
And then you have all that people that think they need a new box when their PC starts crawling because of all the spyware and viruses.
Really? Why?
Really? Why?
Anything is right for them to bloat the sales figures as much as possible
my pc : pentium dual core 2.6 ghz, 1 GB ram, 256 mb 7300 nvidia graphics card, 40 GB + 160 GB hdd!
my pc : pentium dual core 2.6 ghz, 1 GB ram, 256 mb 7300 nvidia graphics card, 40 GB + 160 GB hdd!
And did you experience crashes with XP?....if you're truthful, the answer should be no. It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are. Companies like MS have no reason to be truly innovative if zombies like you are willing to purchase any rubbish they choose to churn out
That is completely uncalled for. Please stop posting unless you are going to behave in a mature manner.
Yes, XP is already rock-solid. Didn't crash once on me since I started using it 2001, which is a huge improvement over the crash-prone Win98 I was using before.
Now with XP64 (which is based on Server 2003), I have the advantages of 64bit software as well (like e.g. being able to use the full 4GB+ of memory).
Sad, but just all too true
It was the same with IE6, MS left it unchanged for years because they didn't bother as there was no competition. Only with Firefox becoming popular, they saw themselves forced to make IE7 and copied features like tabs and Rss, as they can't come up with anything good themselves.
Vista is a mash-up of flawed design, half-assed and badly implemented features and poor software and hardware compatibilities, but there are still enough zombies buying any crap, so MS has no reason to make anything decent
I can relate to this, I run an IT servicing and programming business; and a few of my customers have brought new computers recently, they came preloaded with Vista, even when they specifically stated they wanted Windows XP preloaded, they came with Vista instead.
Ofcourse they got the company to send someone out to install Windows XP on for them.
Right now, people just don't want vista, but OEM's like DELL, HP and such are trying to sell as many copies of the OS as they can, not because they want to, but in order to still receive wholesale discounts for Windows, they 'have' to.
This probably accounts for a large portion of these sales.
Seriously... What else are they gonna say?
hmm...i am one of those...bought Home premium...true to say, its the best OS i ever used...! it works cool without any crashes (atleast for me) in my PC...
And did you experience crashes with XP?....if you're truthful, the answer should be no. It's really mind-boggling how acutely mentally-challenged people like you are. Companies like MS have no reason to be truly innovative if zombies like you are willing to purchase any rubbish they choose to churn out
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/endsarcasm
I find it pretty sad however that threads like this inevitably lead to some personal insults and things escalate and deteriorate very quickly. Please. Stop. If you got nothing else to say other than someone before you is a moron or mentally challenged, then don't. Just don't say anything. Morons have the right to their opinion too, even though it's different than your own!
/endsarcasm
I find it pretty sad however that threads like this inevitably lead to some personal insults and things escalate and deteriorate very quickly. Please. Stop. If you got nothing else to say other than someone before you is a moron or mentally challenged, then don't. Just don't say anything. Morons have the right to their opinion too, even though it's different than your own!
Your sarcasm and associated comments are misplaced. It is easily demonstrable that persons who purchase Vista, to replace XP, are acting irrationally. Before you launch into more meaningless platitudes, stop and REALLY THINK. If people are so willing to accept ANYTHING labelled "NEW", what incentive will MS have to truly exert themselves?
As for the strong sales...I say those figures are grosly inflated to show an advantage. I don't see how they can count the free versions they have given away as a sale.
My work purchased new desktops with Vista preloaded and there were nothing but problems. They ran nice and fast but bluescreen'd more often than not. If a machine is sold as Vista ready and capable then it should be just that. The PCs that were purchased were returned.
I have no idea what all of you are bitching and hating about. Just because Bill can wipe his ass with 100 dollar bills and you can't and has a great new OS out on the market, does not give you any reason to hate on Microsoft/Vista.
I have 0 hardware issues and Vista loads my programs faster than XP ever did. If you want to kid yourself saying that this is a bad OS, its because your cheap ass does not have enough to buy it or your another one of these "Linux/OSX ownz yuuu!" people to whom I say **** off and enjoy your choice of OS while I enjoy mine.
I have nothing against Vista or Microsofts OS - just the fact they didnt get the information needed to hardware manufacturers early enough so that they could make my PC work with Vista ... I have no idea if this is MS fault or the other companys after all a lot of hem did get there hardware sorted - but not all of them!
Exactly because Windows works for myself and other users when they are saying it sucks/has issues/does not work.
Vista sucks = Opinion
Vista works = Fact
Lets see if next time we post we know the difference between "opinion" and "fact".
Exactly, lets see if next time you follow your own advice instead of calling "cheap ass" and "MS-haters" to those that express an opinion different from yours.
Saying that X copies has been sold without giving any details and then comparing it with 5 years old numbers tells nothing about Vista being successful or not.
Every major OEM is preinstalling Vista on every PC. Of course it's going to sell, as long as people keep buying computers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws...ted&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws...ted&search=
Not gonna happen, I seriously doubt we'll see stuff like that in Vienna (the next Windows version). Perhaps they manage to copy a bit of it for Windows 8.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lawkc3jH3ws...ted&search=
I saw 1:30 of the video and it is crap. I rather have more features than stupid gimmick crap like that. That is just gonna be some cool trend for 4 months and thats it.
But hey believe what you want to believe
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Vista is a huge upgrade to XP. Especially if you work with programs that consume multi-gigs of RAM. I have been using it since November and have had very few problems with it. The only problems I have had with it were with Creative's drivers.
No, vista does not "suck". I just helped a family yesterday set up a new laptop from Dell that had Vista on it. After I reformatted the hard drive and reinstalled Vista, I walked them through the new features, like the instant search and the parental controls, and they seemed very pleased with it.
If a computer illiterate person does get a Vista computer with no one to walk them through the new features, of course they might come to the conclusion that "vista sucks!" However, if they are shown what Vista is capable of, I can practically guarantee they will like it better than XP.
Microsoft did not "screw up" with Vista. I'm sorry, but Vista has a much, much better memory management system (I know this from personal experience), starts/sleeps/shuts down faster, much improved audio stack, games run faster in Vista than XP (with nVidia's latest drivers), search is better, dialogs are more helpful, a lot of the annoyances of XP (like the infamous "wireless networks are available!" balloon) are gone, and overall the user experience is better. By that I mean that the dialogs display information in a way anyone can understand. Instead of generic buttons like "yes", "No", "OK", "Cancel", they actually display an action, like "Don't Save", "Delete", "Save", etc.
Vista really shines when multi-tasking. When I rendered video/CGI on XP, I could not do anything but let the thing render. With Vista, I can browse the web, play music, watch HD videos, and my computer is barely slowed down. This is with a single core Pentium Centrino.
All of you who are posting negative things about Vista need to run it for at least a month on a capable computer (1 gig ram minimum) and give it another chance. Yes, settings are in different places, and no, your full-screen DOS games won't work in Vista any more, but I can tell you from personal experience (along with others that I know who have installed Vista) that you will eventually find Vista to be better than XP. At first glance Vista may seem annoying and messed up (UAC prompts come to mind), but after using it for a while, the annoyances go away.
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