Two weeks ago, Dianne Kelley started a class-action lawsuit against Microsoft alleging the software company is engaging in deceptive practices by branding new computers with a Windows Vista Capable logo even if they could only run Vista Home Basic. Although Microsoft strongly refutes Kelley’s claims, the threat of a lawsuit may have caused the software giant to change its description of the Windows Vista Capable program from:
“Through the Windows Vista Capable program, Windows XP-based PCs that are powerful enough to run Windows Vista are now available from leading PC manufacturers worldwide, including Acer Inc., Dell Inc., Fujitsu Limited, Gateway Inc., HP, Lenovo, NEC Corp., Sony Corp., Toshiba and more. The Windows Vista Capable logo is designed to assure customers that the PCs they buy today will be ready for an upgrade to Windows Vista and can run the core experiences of Windows Vista.”
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“A new PC running Windows XP that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences such as innovations in organizing and finding information, security, and reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. Some features available in the premium editions of Windows Vista — like the new Windows Aero user experience — may require advanced or additional hardware.”
News source: DailyTech
“Through the Windows Vista Capable program, Windows XP-based PCs that are powerful enough to run Windows Vista are now available from leading PC manufacturers worldwide, including Acer Inc., Dell Inc., Fujitsu Limited, Gateway Inc., HP, Lenovo, NEC Corp., Sony Corp., Toshiba and more. The Windows Vista Capable logo is designed to assure customers that the PCs they buy today will be ready for an upgrade to Windows Vista and can run the core experiences of Windows Vista.”
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“A new PC running Windows XP that carries the Windows Vista Capable PC logo can run Windows Vista. All editions of Windows Vista will deliver core experiences such as innovations in organizing and finding information, security, and reliability. All Windows Vista Capable PCs will run these core experiences at a minimum. Some features available in the premium editions of Windows Vista — like the new Windows Aero user experience — may require advanced or additional hardware.”
News source: DailyTech
I think if you're enough of a nub to think that your TNT Rage card with 128 megs of ram can support all the new effects, you should just stick with windows 95/98.
A nub is a little bump on something. I think the original poster needs to use a dictionary more carefully next time.
Using "Rad" now though, that's inexcusable.
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I say make the computer industry like the DMV....give users a test before they're allowed to use the damn computers, and you'll cut back on alot of morons on the net. My .02 euro
I say make the computer industry like the DMV....give users a test before they're allowed to use the damn computers, and you'll cut back on alot of morons on the net. My .02 euro
Ha...that's exactly what I've been telling people. There are just too many computer illiterate people out there. They certainly do need to make it so you have to have a license to use a computer. It would definitely cut down on a lot of the identity thefts and virus infections that are taking place today.
I say make the computer industry like the DMV....give users a test before they're allowed to use the damn computers, and you'll cut back on alot of morons on the net. My .02 euro
Ha...that's exactly what I've been telling people. There are just too many computer illiterate people out there. They certainly do need to make it so you have to have a license to use a computer. It would definitely cut down on a lot of the identity thefts and virus infections that are taking place today.
*Ahem* Genuine Advantage
"can run the core experiences of Windows Vista."
I guess some people have trouble understanding what "core" means
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Its more than just 'clueless users' - when I think core; what does that actually cover? is it the bare basics "can get load up, but don't expect much"? when you see Vista capable, you assume that you can run Vista, and all the associated technologies included with Windows Vista, at a reasonable level of speed and stability.
What defines the "core" of the operating system? if I was upgrading from Windows XP to Windows Vista, I would assume the "core" would also encompass the new features like Aero, or otherwise, it would make the whole damn upgrade a complete waste of time!
Both OEM's AND Microsoft have to blame for this; OEM's passing off **** and claiming it can run 'Windows Vista", and Microsoft setting the bar far too low for machines that are capable of running Windows Vista - If it requires 1gig of memory, then damn well demand that the machine must have 1 gig of memory! I mean jesus christ, its 2007, if a machine is being sold with less than a gig of memory, given how cheap memory is, btw, then it should be a criminal offence!
It has always said "Systems which meet only minimum requirements for the “Windows Vista Capable” designation will not provide the full benefits of “Premium Ready,” including the Aero interface. Some Dell systems may not meet the requirements for “Premium Ready,” no matter the configuration"
Presented like that it's clearly false advertising. The product sold does not do what is indicated.
Presented like that it's clearly false advertising. The product sold does not do what is indicated.
There was two of them:
Vista Capable which meant the minimum experience
Vista Premium which meant you'd get the full Vista experience
My system:
AMD Athlon XP 2000+ at 1.66GHZ
512mb's of ram
30gig HDD
128mb GeForce card was original video card in it. Now it's an 256mb GeForce 6200
Mine would be considered Vista Capable, but it actually runs Ultimate perfectly fine and all I had to do was buy a new video card for $79.99.
This lawsuit is not needed and will do no good. Someone who didn't know what they were doing and didn't even bother asking for help, bought a computer and threw a hissy fit because they didn't know it wouldn't give them the full Vista experience. They should have looked into themselves more before buying it.
It's someone who is wanting money. Plain and simple. People were saying this was going to happen when Vista came out and here we go. Microsoft has new money coming in and people are trying to get it from them.
If it aint idiot-proof, it shouldn't have been produced in the first place. That goes for operating systems, nomenclature, whatever.
Let's have ONE version, with ALL the features, reasonably priced. None of this "home", "business", "Ultimate" garbage. One version, with perhaps a server variant. Let everyone enjoy the benefits of the Longhorn-that-never-was. Put the minimum system specs on the box, maybe with a "recommended" specs notation, and that's it. Done.
Christ, everywhere you look regarding MS these days, all you see is bloat, confusion, and mismanagement. Five friggin years, folks. Billions of dollars and five friggin years.
5+ years of developement and all they have to show for it is Vista.
If your PC looks old, it probably is. Old PC's don't run Vista. They might do, but not fully. If you think your PC can run Vista, call Microsoft just in case. If you decide to file a lawsuit against us, make sure your PC is post-2001 before even bothering.
The only way to stop the confusion is to make the Premium ready sticker gold, flashy, and 10 times bigger and the vista capable one white and black and boring and smaller. This way, those not sure what to buy will think... hmm that sticker is better I'll go for that one.
None of this may be a real problem for a desktop computer, where you can easily upgrade whatever you need to upgrade, but the only thing you can upgrade in most laptops is RAM. Other than that, you're stuck with whatever you have. So, I'm all for the class action suit, and I wish it would include some computer makers and computer resellers too. As far as I'm concerned, the whole industry is guilty of deceptive practices.
Oh sure, let's have another class action lawsuit so the lawyers can extort millions of dollars and the consumers can get a $5 coupon. Really worthwhile.
Well then its the sales assistants faults for telling you that, not Microsoft. People in the stores will tell you anything to get you to buy a product. There is a well known electrical chain the UK who just say anything, and i recon the 'average joe' who walks in off the street knows more about the product than the people who work in the stores do.
Well then its the sales assistants faults for telling you that, not Microsoft. People in the stores will tell you anything to get you to buy a product. There is a well known electrical chain the UK who just say anything, and i recon the 'average joe' who walks in off the street knows more about the product than the people who work in the stores do.
Only that they've seen some flashy ad (for Ultimate BTW with all the bells and whistles running at once on some high-spec rig), read some op-ed item in their daily rag of choice and then see some ad from <insert cheapo high street PC reseller here> flogging some stuff for about £400. The natural assumption is to believe the hype (especially when there's the usual "blind the buyer with technobabble" "conversation": "What does dual-core mean?" "It means you can surf the web and copy your files onto DVD at the same time!" [this is actual, not made up, folks])
So: you have a potential customer with inaccurate information because of Microsoft's ad not telling them otherwise in any way, shape or form who then believes that a "get it while it's hot!" ad will let them recreate the ad. There should have been a "you might need to upgrade your existing machine to run this nicely, contact your local shop" rider. That would have sorted the whole thing in one go; if your machine runs slow but you didn't check if it would (as suggested), that's your fault.
They should have known by telling the public that par example if you want a racecar you'll need a racecar driver...
In other words you want the best, you'll need the best hardware for that version...
Microsoft should (and forgot) to state by each version, same pc each time different hardware, what you 'll need to run that PC, which logic is not flawd.
It is just when you buy an icecream, you want 1 ball of icecream or 5....
Of course you'll pay the most for the most lot of icecream.
If you don't know much about that subject, inform yourselves or ask a friend.
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