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5 reasons not to trust Microsoft near Firefox

Steven Parker   on 20 April 2007 - 14:21 · 25 comments & 9099 views

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Microsoft has never made much secret of the fact that keeping rival browsers down is a key part of its business plan.

Way back in 1996, Steve Ballmer (then still only the deputy CEO) cheerfully proclaimed: "Every minute of every day, we'll ask every Microsoft employee to ask themselves, 'Have I done anything to increase our share of the Internet browser market?' That's the business we're in; driving up our share is incredibly, incredibly important to us."

When it suits, of course, Microsoft likes to look like it's playing nice. Hence the jaunty tone of a recent post on the official Windows Vista blog, announcing that users of Firefox -- the biggest threat to Microsoft's browser share since, well, a decade ago -- are now going to be fully allowed into the Windows Media world.

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(2 replies) #1 Express on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:24
Excellent front page article.


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#1.1 Neobond on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:31
Thanks for your comment!


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#1.2 Express on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:45
#2 HawkMan on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:30
The irony of the Open source supporters complaingin about MS spreading FUD... they do such a good job at it themselves.
(2 replies) #3 megamanXplosion on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:40
1. Big deal.
2. Big deal.
3. It's called WINDOWS media player for a reason.
4. People should already be on SP2 with WMP11.
5. Big deal.

This news article is, by no means, worthy of being on main news pages of Neowin. It's FUD and nothing more.
#3.1 brianshapiro on 20 Apr 2007 - 15:13
Here's my response.


1. Plug-ins, like Flash, Acrobat, Quicktime, are not downloadable as XPI extensions, because Firefox considers them 'plugins' not extensions. This WMP add-on is a PLUG IN
2. This is irrelevant, Microsoft will fix things up in a day, its not a reason to say they're not interested. This was just included in the list to embarrass Microsoft.
3+4. Windows versions prior to Vista should be able to play Windows media in Firefox. Apparently, with WMP11 some legacy capability was removed so they have to ship a plug-in to allow it. If browsers on other OSs were able to play Windows media before, they should be able to now.
5. A lot less people care that much about windows media content on Firefox than using iTunes on Windows.


But the clue that the article would be FUD was in the opening statement "Microsoft has never made much secret of the fact that keeping rival browsers down is a key part of its business plan." Translation: "Microsoft is in the browser market, so part of its business is increasing its share in the market" This doesn't necessarily mean they have to 'keep rival browsers down', just do better than them, even if the management sometimes confuses the two, though it looks like they're caring less about that.
#3.2 severach on 20 Apr 2007 - 22:40
It is FUD. The problem is that Microsoft's policy is that if the front wheel misses they swerve to hit it with the back wheel and they don't care who else is in the way.

It's time to play Grand Theft Browser VII without Microsoft in the driver seat. Such violence might make Balmer throw a chair.
(1 reply) #4 +DrunkenMaster on 20 Apr 2007 - 14:41
Dibs to the person that did the image. If only Ballmer had hair on his head it would be on fire.
#4.1 gohankid77 on 20 Apr 2007 - 15:17
What would make the image even funnier is if it used the Firefox logo from Freespire, especially since its sibling Linux distribution, Linspire, originally started as a form of competition for MS when it first came out as "Lindows". Its goal was to run not only Linux apps but Windows apps too, so users could feel more "at home" with the Windows apps they were used to.
#5 +Ironman273 on 20 Apr 2007 - 15:11
Ahh. I found a picture of the author. That explains a lot.



BTW, this shouldn't be front page material.
#6 BigBoy on 20 Apr 2007 - 16:50
Wow... I usually do not post comments like this but I got to say - this is one dumb article!

How that made it to front page I do not understand. I thought opinions do not classify as news? At least I have been told so for a few submissions...
#7 +Brandon Live on 20 Apr 2007 - 17:26
Times change. Half the people working at Microsoft use Firefox these days (not me personally, but a lot do).
(1 reply) #8 GEIST on 20 Apr 2007 - 17:37
What's so special about that WMP addon/plugin for FF? I've always been able to watch WM content online in FF. o_o
#8.1 BriFi on 20 Apr 2007 - 20:55
Not in Vista.
#9 Croquant on 20 Apr 2007 - 19:54
You don't even need Windows Media Player to watch microsoft's propiotary formats in Firefox. That's what the K-Lite Codec Packs are for.
#10 Davo on 20 Apr 2007 - 20:41
Those K-Lite codec packs and any codec packs in general are recommended against. It's the same thing as taking a bunch of foods that taste good separate but could make you vomit if you eat them all at once.
(4 replies) #11 severach on 20 Apr 2007 - 22:44
K-lite is recommended against because it's warez, not because it doesn't work. You can hand $40 to as many companies as you can find and you won't be able to play all the videos. Install K-lite and it's hard to find a video that won't play in WMP or MPC.
#11.1 HawkMan on 20 Apr 2007 - 23:56
Actually it's bioth Warez and it's a general bad idea to install.

sure you will be able to install most media formats with k-lite, but at the cost of stability,resource and speed.

Install FFDshow and you have one filter that does everything K-lite does, isn't illegal and won't eat resource or slow your computer or create dll problems down the line. and with FFD-show it's not just hard to find a movie that won't play, it's next to impossible.
#11.2 +Kirkburn on 21 Apr 2007 - 04:49
Quote - (HawkMan said @ #11.1)
Actually it's bioth Warez and it's a general bad idea to install.

sure you will be able to install most media formats with k-lite, but at the cost of stability,resource and speed.

Install FFDshow and you have one filter that does everything K-lite does, isn't illegal and won't eat resource or slow your computer or create dll problems down the line. and with FFD-show it's not just hard to find a movie that won't play, it's next to impossible.

Do you actually have any proof of this, or is this something you heard from a friend of a friend of a friend?

It works.
#11.3 The_Decryptor on 21 Apr 2007 - 12:44
Number one complaint i have heard about K-Lite, is that it includes older versions of codecs and can break things.

Oh yeah, and it's warez.
#11.4 +zachdms on 22 Apr 2007 - 09:17
Quote - (Kirkburn said @ #11.2)
Do you actually have any proof of this, or is this something you heard from a friend of a friend of a friend?

It works.
I'll take that challenge. Run Voxware under a debugger. Why the heck are they including that? There's your proof. There's more too, but that's just the best most egregious example. It's warez, it's poorly designed, and it includes really bad-for-your-computer stuff like Voxware.

(Again, I love the people at Voxware - that's just a bad codec that does bad things to memory, though.)

(speaking for myself only as always)
#12 mrmckeb on 21 Apr 2007 - 00:51
FFS Neowin. Get some real news.
#13 Hak Foo on 21 Apr 2007 - 01:34
I think the market is much different.

Netscape as a product could be bankrupted. Firefox as a geek amusement cannot be broken.

Microsoft probably also has discovered that having a 80 percent share in browsers has led to certain problems. The "biggest target" one specifically.

I could see the market settling as something like
30% IE6 (Win2000 and below users, pre-SP2 users, pirate copies, etc, will not be going for IE7)
30% IE7
20% Firefox
10% Safari (especially given the lack of IE for Mac support)
10% Opera (Wii, mobile phones, etc.)

and that's better for everyone-- the value of exploits will go down as the user base becomes more diffuse.
#14 SecretMidnight on 21 Apr 2007 - 08:49
Didn't the IE team send the Firefox team a cake to celebrate the launch of Firefox 2.0? To my knowledge Microsoft are very supportive of Firefox.

Considering the quote is 11 years old, this article isn't really that great.

Yeah, sure, Microsoft are evil. Grow up.
#15 The_Decryptor on 21 Apr 2007 - 12:46
The list is stupid, it's bashing Microsoft for things other companies do that nobody cares about.

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