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Galileo system 'in a deep crisis'

ltworf   on 08 May 2007 - 14:44 · 21 comments & 5988 views

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Europe's proposed satellite-navigation system, Galileo, will need more public funds if it is to be built. Hope is receding that a private consortium asked to run the system can end its infighting and meet a 10 May deadline to move the project forward. This is likely to mean European taxpayers stepping in to cover costs. German Transport Minister Wolfgang Tiefensee, speaking on behalf of the EU, said: "Galileo is going through a deep and grave crisis." He added: "We're in a dead end street. The cardinal problem is that the companies still have not been able to agree on the way forward. We need to find an alternative solution."

The consortium comprises leading aerospace and telecom concerns: EADS, Thales, Inmarsat, Alcatel-Lucent, Finmeccanica, AENA, Hispasat, and TeleOp. The European Commission (EC) set the May deadline for them to come forward with a single company structure to run Galileo, a chief executive and common negotiating position. But with little sign of the target being met to the Commission's satisfaction, the EC is now expected to present new proposals to overhaul the project on 16 May. "Our view is that the current scenario to put Galileo into place cannot work," said Michele Cercone, spokesman for the EC's directorate general for transport.

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#1 Neobond on 08 May 2007 - 15:04
Is this when Brussels implement a "GPS Tax"?
(1 reply) #2 leesmithg on 08 May 2007 - 15:30
Does not suprise me atall.

Reminds me of the NHS, the E.U., don't matter how much money you throw at it, the problems get worse.
#2.1 EJocys on 09 May 2007 - 12:09
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Reminds me of the NHS, the E.U., don't matter how much money you throw at it, the problems get worse.

It's not only governments fault in NHS. There are people (voters) who sit inside NHS and steal all money government throws at them. NHS top level clerks are wasting nation’s resources in grotesque levels. You can throw another 50 billions and everything will be flushed very fast by increasing top clerk salaries and overpriced contracts while stuff who is doing real job will suffer. NHS now is just sieve with big holes. If government wants to fix NHS then it must throw not money but inspections on NHS to find all holes where money went. I've seen such atrocities done inside similar institution. It's same with Olympic Games. I am sure that huge amounts of hard earned money will be stolen and wasted on overpriced contracts. When I saw first article with title "Cost of Olympic games will raise", first mind which hit me was – there is still some important people who are trying to get on stealing wagon. It's like "No Child Left Behind" program, but for crooks.

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(4 replies) #3 Marshalus on 08 May 2007 - 15:47
Next time the EU mentions wanting to run the Internet, I'll have to remember this.
#3.1 leesmithg on 08 May 2007 - 15:53
haha
#3.2 beardedwonder on 08 May 2007 - 17:38
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Next time the EU mentions wanting to run the Internet, I'll have to remember this.

And the US do such a great job?! It was actually the U.N., i know it's confusing that they use letters instead of names, would help if you paid attention though
#3.3 Marshalus on 08 May 2007 - 19:18
How does the US do a bad job?

I know the UN would have been put in charge but if I remember correctly it was the nations in Europe that were pushing for it UN control.

It was sort of a joke
#3.4 beardedwonder on 08 May 2007 - 20:04
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How does the US do a bad job?

I know the UN would have been put in charge but if I remember correctly it was the nations in Europe that were pushing for it UN control.

It was sort of a joke

No .xxx domain because of Christian political bias. No agreed standards for non-ASCII domains increasing the likelihood that the internet will be broken up. Also, essentially having one country govern the internet is fairly ridiculous, the hypocrisy is laughable given that the US is apparently the land of the free.
#4 madnuke on 08 May 2007 - 16:25
Why don't they just take a bit out of the CAP?
#5 norky on 08 May 2007 - 16:49
*EDIT*
#6 Magallanes on 08 May 2007 - 17:01
How much money currently they are spend?.

And what's the cause in the raise of the cost?.
#7 Netrack on 08 May 2007 - 17:09
This is why you need to appoint one company/government to do this which is partly why the current GPS works so well....if you have 10 cooks trying to make soup you end up with pee water
#8 Sawyer12 on 08 May 2007 - 17:26
Why doesnt that supprise me
(2 replies) #9 zivan56 on 08 May 2007 - 18:19
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Hope is receding that a private consortium asked to run the system can end its infighting and meet a 10 May deadline to move the project forward.


That's what you get when you hire private companies to work on a public project.
#9.1 z0phi3l on 08 May 2007 - 18:28
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Hope is receding that a private consortium asked to run the system can end its infighting and meet a 10 May deadline to move the project forward.


That's what you get when you hire private companies to work on a public project.



How will they "Socialize" it later if it isn't being run by a "private" organization?
#9.2 +mad_onion on 08 May 2007 - 18:34
Europe isnt like communist you know it's just a little bit less full on capitalism than the US is. almost all services are provided by the private sector in fact you cant get into the EU if a country runs lots of state run monopolies.
(2 replies) #10 Aleck79 on 08 May 2007 - 19:04
i don't understand... why do something new when GPS works fine.
#10.1 roadwarrior on 08 May 2007 - 19:15
Perhaps because accuracy beyond a certain degree requires either differentials or other workarounds (unless you are part of the US military, which has access to special encrypted parts of the signal - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gps#Navigation_signals and read down through the Accuracy section).
#10.2 Julius Caro on 08 May 2007 - 19:27
GPS is a US military system, and I think it was never intended to be used for civilian purposes. Or maybe it was... , who knows.
Anyway, the US can pull the plug whenever they feel like to. Galileo is supposed to be civilian 100%, and more accurate since it uses a lot of satellites or whatever
#11 Julius Caro on 08 May 2007 - 19:25
I thought they had already launched some galileo satellites? Or when they hyped it up, it was just being announced?

#12 kitchenutensils on 08 May 2007 - 20:21
another waste of eu money, thank god britain isnt a proper member lol

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