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As the world turns to upgrade to the latest and greatest from Microsoft, many let what’s already been available slip their minds. Mac OS X Tiger has been available for quite a while, having many of the same features as Vista currently boasts. But everyone has already talked their way into this and it’s clearly been established. So why not compare what Vista has to offer and what OS X Leopard, the latest release of OS X due out later this year, has to offer?
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As the world turns to upgrade to the latest and greatest from Microsoft, many let what’s already been available slip their minds. Mac OS X Tiger has been available for quite a while, having many of the same features as Vista currently boasts. But everyone has already talked their way into this and it’s clearly been established. So why not compare what Vista has to offer and what OS X Leopard, the latest release of OS X due out later this year, has to offer?
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Apple Fanboy: Vista was in development just as long if not longer, not a fair comparison!
how in the world does this rise to the level of even the unprofessional journalism of Neowin's front page?
I'm not even going to read this article. I'm sick of supporting the "flame bait for ad dollars" market.
It's retarded.
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Why the hell is he comparing Flip3D to Spaces?!
It's retarded.
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Why the hell is he comparing Flip3D to Spaces?!
he should should be comparing it with linux virtual desktop + 3d cube and wall plug in of beryl, where apple copied it!
he should should be comparing it with linux virtual desktop + 3d cube and wall plug in of beryl, where apple copied it!
I'm pretty sure Spaces was announced before the wall beryl plugin was developed. As for using the term "linux virtual desktop", I find that widly inaccurate since the virtual desktop capability of various "linux" DEs is in no way related to Linux, but rather the capabilities of the X11 protocol. Furthermore, the first virtual desktops weren't developed on Linux, but rather Amiga and shortly after, in WMs for X11.
EDIT: The earliest reference to the wall plugin (previously the plane plugin) is sept 2006. Spaces was announced at the WWDC in August '06.
Last edited by MrA on 08 May 2007 - 19:15
Why the hell is he comparing Flip3D to Spaces?!
Typical apples and oranges comparison.
I do have to admit, however, that for Expose vs. Flip3D, Expose is more practical for everyday use, even if it gets on the nerve of some users when it's accidentally activated using a screen corner hotspot.
Where do you think they got the 3D cube idea from? Mac OS X' Fast-User-Switching maybe?
A better comparison would be Exposé vs. Flip 3D.
A better comparison would be Exposé vs. Flip 3D.
I don't like Flip 3D. It looks pretty, but it's not really productive. Exposé is better because you can see all of your windows at the same time, and see a real-time view of those windows.
Mac OS X Leopard vs. Windows Vista
You can not compare a product which hasn't been released. Remember Windows codename Longhorn? Think about how different it is from the final product: Vista. I'm not stating Mac OS X Leopard is going to have features dropped, I'm saying you can never be too sure with Beta releases - especially operating systems. Not to mention Apple hasn't disclosed all of Leopard's features to the public yet.
I have an idea for a guide: Reviewing software systems 100 Level.
Last edited by raskren on 08 May 2007 - 16:21
You're right. Mac users are so low level. They can't understand the technology behind. All they can do is to compare application features come with the OS.
So because Vista didn't win, a Mac user must have written the article. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
So because Vista didn't win, a Mac user must have written the article. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
Umm, no? Clearly I didn't give that as my reason. Had i given a reason, it would have been that it appears as if the author took a handful of "features", tossed in one Vista "win" and a couple ties to make it look less biased. Did you even read his so called review? Now, had it been a real review, he would have come to the conclusion that you can't pick a winner. Where was Games for Windows? Where was a comparison of file management? Hardware compatibility? Security? Customization? Software compatibility?
Please don't jump to conclusions about my reasoning. Maybe this guy isn't a mac fan, but either way it was a poorly developed review. For 50$.
So because Vista didn't win, a Mac user must have written the article. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?
Umm, no? Clearly I didn't give that as my reason. Had i given a reason, it would have been that it appears as if the author took a handful of "features", tossed in one Vista "win" and a couple ties to make it look less biased. Did you even read his so called review? Now, had it been a real review, he would have come to the conclusion that you can't pick a winner. Where was Games for Windows? Where was a comparison of file management? Hardware compatibility? Security? Customization? Software compatibility?
Please don't jump to conclusions about my reasoning. Maybe this guy isn't a mac fan, but either way it was a poorly developed review. For 50$.
Actually you did give a reason
Looks pretty clear-cut to me.
It just doesn't make sense to compare something that isn't finished "Leopard" and compare it to something that's finished "Vista". Even though some people question the "finished" aspect of Vista.
Looks pretty clear-cut to me.
What part of me stating I have a suspicion that Mac fans keep writing these articles implies that I think because Vista didn't win, a Mac user must have written it?
If it had been my reason, I would have said "Because Vista didn't win, a Mac user must have written the article." Which sounds retarded and juvenile. Which is also why it's not what I said, as that is not what I believe. My actual reason, which I stated above, was because it was clearly biased, shallow, and uninformative. If it had been Vista winning, I would have thought a Windows fan wrote it. Maybe you're missing the point because you don't find this review as poorly done as I did.
Here is something informative and well written: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
It isn't a comparison exactly, but I'm using it as an example as something to model after, it is well written, sourced, and as far as I can tell, unbiased.
I would be interested in seeing you write up and submit a "technology behind" review and comparison, since you seem to be in the loop and knowledgeable in these matters.
I would be interested in seeing you write up and submit a "technology behind" review and comparison, since you seem to be in the loop and knowledgeable in these matters.
Agreed. I don't know many end users who really want to know how it works. People just want to know that it works and does what they want it to.
I would be interested in seeing you write up and submit a "technology behind" review and comparison, since you seem to be in the loop and knowledgeable in these matters.
Nah, people wouldn't care about DRM or task scheduling, but they do care about stability, security, which I don't see anything on that in here. And chances are that if they are reading this review, they might be a bit above the average end user. hopefully. Although with the people praising this review, im not so sure anymore.
He also talks about shadow copy and system restore stuff, which to me seems to be a more advanced, technological feature.
Personally I'm so sick of the Win/Apple comparison I could puke blood. Each OS has it's values. Period.
PERSONALLY (highlighted so as to note Im just talking about my view) I think Windows has won the so called race because of quantity of systems and associated software. Think about all the applications written for business by people like myself for the last 20 years. Apps that only run on Windows and to rewrite for Mac would take billions of dollars to rewrite for Mac or *nix.
I think Macs are great, as well as Linux. So please dont get me wrong. I am only talking about my thoughts on turnover. Anywho... I guess Im just vaguely ranting... sorry.
Peace,
James Rose
New York City
For windows there are Visual Studio, a little bloated but run fine, with many sdk, docs and such.
Because if OSX want to be popular then must start luring programmers to do programs to this platform.
For windows there are Visual Studio, a little bloated but run fine, with many sdk, docs and such.
Because if OSX want to be popular then must start luring programmers to do programs to this platform.
Have you never heard of Xcode? Xcode is the official set of development tools for OS X, and guess what? Apple gives them away for free with every copy of OS X, and you can freely download any and all updates to them directly from Apple as well. It is well documented as well, and Apple also offers tons of example code to get you started. Even if you don't currently use OS X, you can sign up for a free developer's account at http://connect.apple.com (the Apple developers site) and read all kinds of documents about developing for OS X, and download all of the developer tools there (although they aren't of much use without OS X as they don't run on any other OS).
Lots of additional information is also available at http://developer.apple.com
Last edited by roadwarrior on 08 May 2007 - 19:31
This was just an arbitrary comparison between peripheral features and not anything substantial. I could write an article skewed in completely the other direction by comparing equally arbitrary features of both OSs.
Wait, Vista is still 'beta' since MS has already announced a service pack for Vista.
Seems strange the service pack is going to be released around the time Vista was slated for release......
They must have Stole Apple's time machine
That said I'm using Vista right now and some things I like and some things I don't. PC parts are just to cheap to ignore and Windows is tolerable.
That said I'm using Vista right now and some things I like and some things I don't. PC parts are just to cheap to ignore and Windows is tolerable.
And Apple never steals anything from anyone. Ever.
its not like apple never stole anything...
hardgiant is a troll. Just hit him with a stick.
Ah yes. More of the 'Vista loses so the author must be a Mac user' arguement.
It doesn't matter who posts it, the arguement is still rediculous. You disagree with the review? Great! That doesn't mean the reviewers take is wrong.
The review is flawed. He doesn't even have his facts correct and comparisons are all messed up. Windows Calendar since XP ? WTF!
There is no mention of tags...which is a sole feature of Windows Photo Gallery that beats iPhoto hands down.
There is no mention of explorer views anywhere...wait cause Finder in Leopard is still fcuked up (at least now..if it is one of the secret features...then it's good cause Finder should've been dead 5 years ago)
It's review written by Mac fanboy for most part. He has only one thing right, shadow copy (not system restore) is very limited in vista.
If you can't stand OS X being criticized, then you are just a...fanboy.
The review is flawed. He doesn't even have his facts correct and comparisons are all messed up. Windows Calendar since XP ? WTF!
There is no mention of tags...which is a sole feature of Windows Photo Gallery that beats iPhoto hands down.
There is no mention of explorer views anywhere...wait cause Finder in Leopard is still fcuked up (at least now..if it is one of the secret features...then it's good cause Finder should've been dead 5 years ago)
It's review written by Mac fanboy for most part. He has only one thing right, shadow copy (not system restore) is very limited in vista.
If you can't stand OS X being criticized, then you are just a...fanboy.
don't worry dhan, Chad likes to jump to conclusions. Our comments are clearly over his head.
What we want is a REAL OS comparison, you know, one that compares the important things
On the grand scheme of things, are photos, 3d views, messengers really as important as file management, or security, or stability?
The review is flawed. He doesn't even have his facts correct and comparisons are all messed up. Windows Calendar since XP ? WTF!
There is no mention of tags...which is a sole feature of Windows Photo Gallery that beats iPhoto hands down.
There is no mention of explorer views anywhere...wait cause Finder in Leopard is still fcuked up (at least now..if it is one of the secret features...then it's good cause Finder should've been dead 5 years ago)
It's review written by Mac fanboy for most part. He has only one thing right, shadow copy (not system restore) is very limited in vista.
If you can't stand OS X being criticized, then you are just a...fanboy.
what's funny about you WPG comment is that the screenshot the author has of WPG actually has the view sorted by tags, and they are all highlighted in the tree on the left!
It's not Microsoft's fault that you're running old hardware, but if it were Apple they'd just ditch support for it all together and ask you nicely to just buy a new computer.
He only mentioned system restore, and said that volume shadow copy is what made system restore possible. He also completely left out Windows Backup. Which allows scheduled backups of selected files to other drives AND complete disk images.
Volume shadow copy and system restore are two completely seperate technologies. System restore makes a snapshot of system files and settings everytime an application is updated, daily, or by user choice, and stores them in a hidden folder on your HD and, as he said, can only us up to 15% of your hard drive.
Shadow volume copy is a seperate technology that tracks EVERY change to ALL files and keeps a running log using ALL the free space on your hard drive. This allows you to at any moment revert a file to a previous version.
Say you just created a 10 page document, and 2 minutes later you accidentally overwrote it with an empty file. Using Time Machine you're stuck - it's unlikely a backup was created in the last 2 minutes. With Volume Shadow Copy, you just right-click the file, and restore the previous version.
Volume Shadow Copy + System Restore + Windows Backup > Time Machine
It's just not fair to compare Vista to Leopard when nobody knows (except Apple) what all is in Leopard yet. Leopard isn't finished so how can anyone compare the two?
Saying that doesn't make anyone a fanboy of any kind
until you can go into an Apple Store, buy a copy of OS X and install it on your Athlon based system, you can't make a fair comparison.
i know you can do that, but i'm talking about legally acquiring and installing on non-Apple hardware.
there are lots of things Apple could do that i think would be really smart (like making a Windows version of Aperture) but they never will because... well, they're Apple.
elitism is implied.
that's strange
Also, http://messenger.live.com says, "The world's largest IM network has just gotten bigger—and better. With Windows Live Messenger you can now connect with your Yahoo! IM contacts." That means Live Network is the largest but not AIM, isn't it?
Last edited by kiran_aryan on 08 May 2007 - 18:10
sincerely,
windows fan boy.
Their final cat would be Copycat!
I get all the benefits of both for FREE and I can use my "old" hardware
UMMMMMM
You can buy Intel based Macs that run OS X just as well as the Apple hardware.
The only people who make Intel based Macs is, get this, Apple.
The only people who make Intel based Macs is, get this, Apple.
You can still upgrade the parts in it, as long as it's a G5
The only people who make Intel based Macs is, get this, Apple.
You can still upgrade the parts in it, as long as it's a G5
Neither of your posts makes any sense at all.
1. Time Machine vs System Restore ... The analysis excludes a review of Previous Versions, which is why the article gets away with saying "System Restore lacks the feature to see an actual picture of how your desktop was", an issue thats moot if you're talking about file restoration; System Restore is mainly about recovering from failures. It also notes Vista can use "15% of the hard drive at max", but Vista doesn't even use permanent hard drive space, because Shadow Copy is not backup system. However Windows does include less heavy duty backup abilities (Windows Backup). The point with Windows is if you want an advanced backup program you should buy something else; but on either system from a consumer standpoint theres an issue of simply restoring old copies of files, which I think Vista is more efficient at. (though Vista could use better interfaces possibly)
2. i don't know enough about iPhoto, Mail, and iChat, to compare them, but its unfair to compare these things as a basis for buying the OS even if because they're just bundled utility programs, and as much as they are, Microsoft has alternatives such as Outlook and Picture Manager in Office. In any case, an OS shouldn't be judged by bundled utilities. Why aren't they comparing IE7 with Safari? Or looking at other Vista utilities like Movie Maker? Oh thats right--because on a Mac you have to buy iLife for iMovie. Or Quicktime/iTunes with Media Player? Or why aren't they discussing Meeting Space or DVD Maker? Thats right, because they're only discussing utility programs updated or added in Leopard, and not comparing the whole OSs feature by feature, because the article seemed to have been written by someone interested in the Leopard release and not a fair OS to OS comparison.
3. Dashboard vs Sidebar ... the analysis doesn't include a discussion of which format makes more sense, a sidebar at the edge of the screen, especially on widescreen monitors, or an entire other screen that pops up, which is what dashboard is. Sidebar needs to be improved to have autohide capabilities, etc. but the whole concept behind the sidebar I think is more intelligent than dashboard.
Last edited by brianshapiro on 08 May 2007 - 19:50
1. Previous Versions - you actually can get a window that displays the folder exactly as it was at <insert data & time here> but getting that window isn't as "pretty" as it is in Leopard. Right-click on a folder -> Previous Versions -> select a date -> click Open and the window comes up. fully functional right down to thumbnails and preview pane content.
additionally, you can specify how much disk space you can use for System Restore and the article completely misses that you can specify a