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Vista is a great OS

Have it, it rocks.

It's been more anti-Vista than usual in light of this new flamefest of words and legal action between Microsoft and the Linux community.

From what i've seen most pirates are sticking to XP, they wont even pirate vista since its such a pain in the ass

*cough*PARADOX*cough*

vista aint a pain in the ass to crack, microsoft think they are beating people with new activation methods but as MS research someone is finding ways to get past those barriers

It is? Actually its rather trivial to circumvent the Vista activation methods. Most pirates are sticking with XP because the common consensus is that Vista sucks and isn't even worth stealing.

yeap, get out of your pirate cave!

back in the topic; that's good news, I think Vista will become mainstream faster than XP.

Lol pirate cave.

Truth be told, I agree. Vista will become mainstream faster than XP. Part of that has to due that XP at the time was a very MINOR upgrade over Windows 2000 (NT 5.0 to NT 5.1). Vista is a monumental upgrade that IMO is not quite ready for mainstream just yet, but in about 5-6 months, I believe it'll be on nearly as many home computers as XP.

Well, isn't that special?

The day when all businesses magically flock from MS to *nix solutions overnight is the day someone starts offering T3 internet access in Antarctica.

MS will eventually lose their market position and something else will take over, say 15 years from now. Or more. Until then, they serve businesses just fine.

Who cares what you say,Vista is the fastest selling OS in the world,even if its not prebuilt in any manufactures pc (hands down),and specially i fell its a snappy,reliable,and more secure software.So vista all the way for me

As for the lifetime span of Microsoft,it will take much more than 15 years to dissapear,i think ull be dead when that happens

Stick with linux,let the happy people stick with windows.

There are also a great deal more computers sold today than 5 years ago so of coarse they are going to moving more OEM copies. It would be more of a positive on how great Vista was if Dell hadn't reinstated XP options when customizing machines.

Very true, and at customer request, no less. When is the last time you heard of Dell customers getting so fired up over the fact they couldn't get a 5+ year old OS installed instead of the new one MS put out. Was Windows ME even met with such hostility? And since Vista will be replaced in two years, much like ME was...whats the rush to get this turd right now?

Yep

Nah, Linux and Mac zealots are still around. While they're around, there will never be a let up on this "Vista is a flop" stuff going around.

I think Microsoft will never do a public beta with another OS though, because it's got such bad press with users getting Vista Beta's and RC's confused with RTM. The RC's always crashed on me, the RTM runs flawlessly.

MS needs to set new standards on specifically who can apply for their future OS testing programs. Vista's beta testing, while seen as unprecedented in how open MS made it for people to offer feedback, bugs, and suggestions, was overly littered with random people jumping in through invites they cried for in forums, plus signing in with Live IDs that have false birthdates set on their profiles. I am not implying that teenagers be barred from testing (despite that I am technically no longer under that age group), as there are certain teens that are honest and resourceful, as you can see from some Neowinians that post in the forums. However, there's a sheer number of them that drop all responsibilities in their position as beta testers by acting all egoistic and cool, they use the beta OS for one day and immediately uninstall it, and they go back onto forums and trash talk about MS.

They should scrap the point-and-click questionnaires and instead make people write a 500 word essay on why they should be accepted. Because honestly, this is supposed to be deciding on who to elect into a beta program, not collect more statistics for their own benefit.

Wow, write an essay! I haven't written an essay for more than 7 years I believe . That said, I do agree with the fact that most of the beta testers in Windows Vista only installed it to show off that they had something new, instead of improving it. All those bugs that they complained could have been sorted out if they had just reported it but instead they wanted to show how cool they were by talking trash about Vista.

Scirwode

40000000 lemmings cannot be wrong

I disagree... MS doesn't just do an open beta forum, they have much smaller groups of beta teams which performs complete actual tests on the OS. The open beta forum is used for multiple reasons. For example, it helps Microsoft gain an idea of how well the OS is going to fair with the average user. It also started alot of talk about the OS, good and bad, but the name is out there.

*and* they are including the 4 months of Free Vista Upgrades given away with PC sales prior to the Vista launch into their official sales figures...which includes all those PCs sold over the holiday season.

If anything, there should be a hoop MORE copies of Vista being "sold"...

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Yes, what the hell difference does it make how many were bought over the counter? Vistas sold is Vistas sold. Microsoft gets paid for those licenses no matter what, whether its by end users or by OEMs.

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No, you're slanting the data. I'm sure there were XP promotions when it came out too that they counted in those sales and such like that. They are comparing launches that had nearly the same conditions and Vista's lauch has come out better than the rest. You're trying to make something of nothing.

The easiest way to put it is like this:

Copies that were sold in pre-launch promotions: happened in Vista, not sure but probably happened with XP
Copies bundles with PCs, happened with both Vista and XP
Copies sent to MS and other misc employees and such: happened with Vista and XP
etc, etc.

The comparison for sales for the launches are identical and vista come out on top no matter which way you try and slant gates' data.

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I'm pretty sure your also counting the number of ppl who wiped off vista from their brand new desktop/laptop and installed their old copy of WinXP ... right? ofcourse you are ... in case youre missing my point... did all these 40 million buyers actually "wanted" to buy Vista or "had" to buy vista

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If you honestly think that most people who ended up with Vista have deleted it, you're bogus, but in such a case, C++'s comment comes into play in that Microsoft still got the money for it so it makes no difference anyhow.

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it would be more impressive if 40 million actually went out and bought it for themselves rather than getting it on a new machine, that says more.

Let's keep the petty arguing out please.

The same amount of previous OS's would've have gone to them making this a null point.

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'gentoo god', eh?

Doubt that.

That says more about you than Microsoft to be honest. Its quite possible to secure a Windows server if you know what your doing. But its easier to not be bothered and pretend its Microsoft's fault.

there's actually a lot of truth in that... many people don't seem to realise that many of their problems are caused by buggy software that were not properly designed in 2000/XP and perform improperly in Vista. Half of the programs I currently use are in this category, at least, and I'm not even talking about drivers.

And thats the underlining nobody seems to get. Windows as an OS is very, very stable. It isn't until you install additional third-party (and sometimes even Microsoft software) that the OS becomes unstable; This is especially true for drivers... however Vista should help with that too.