Vista Sales Near 40 Million, Gates Says at WinHEC
Posted by Emil Protalinski on 15 May 2007 - 21:26 · 60 comments & 14443 views
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#1 Posted by daftperception on 15 May 2007 - 21:31
- I think vista is awesome!
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#1.1 Posted by +chconline on 15 May 2007 - 23:03
- Vista is a great OS
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#1.2 Posted by +rm20010 on 16 May 2007 - 00:42
- Quote - (MajinDark said @ #1.2)Why should he get flamed for that? A good number of people think Vista is a great OS. Personally, I think some more work needs to be done on it, but it's not like it's "Windows ME II" like some ignorant folks were saying.
It's been more anti-Vista than usual in light of this new flamefest of words and legal action between Microsoft and the Linux community.
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#2 Posted by aNILEator on 15 May 2007 - 21:40
- Just as a comparison I'd like to know the amount of pirated installs as well, might make a good comparison, along with opinions of both sides etc, I know that most of my friends, fellow students and co-workers think that it's far too expensive this side of the shore (UK) and not as supported yet I know at least 2 have had a pirated XP Pro running before buying a new OEM PC.
Just wondering how many legal and illegal users of Vista there are altogether really in a 1-on-1 comparison -
#2.1 Posted by LiGhTfast on 15 May 2007 - 22:00
- From what i've seen most pirates are sticking to XP, they wont even pirate vista since its such a pain in the ass
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#2.2 Posted by MajinDark on 15 May 2007 - 22:49
- Quote - (LiGhTfast said @ #2.1)From what i've seen most pirates are sticking to XP, they wont even pirate vista since its such a pain in the ass
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#2.3 Posted by +nicholas-c on 15 May 2007 - 23:06
- vista aint a pain in the ass to crack, microsoft think they are beating people with new activation methods but as MS research someone is finding ways to get past those barriers
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#2.4 Posted by phantasmorph on 15 May 2007 - 23:08
- Quote - (LiGhTfast said @ #2.1)From what i've seen most pirates are sticking to XP, they wont even pirate vista since its such a pain in the ass
It is? Actually its rather trivial to circumvent the Vista activation methods. Most pirates are sticking with XP because the common consensus is that Vista sucks and isn't even worth stealing.
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#3 Posted by MrWhistler on 15 May 2007 - 21:41
- wait a minute here, people BUy software, what@! now I am confused, lol......
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#3.1 Posted by +Ely on 15 May 2007 - 21:54
- yeap, get out of your pirate cave!
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#3.2 Posted by MajinDark on 15 May 2007 - 22:56
- Lol pirate cave.
Truth be told, I agree. Vista will become mainstream faster than XP. Part of that has to due that XP at the time was a very MINOR upgrade over Windows 2000 (NT 5.0 to NT 5.1). Vista is a monumental upgrade that IMO is not quite ready for mainstream just yet, but in about 5-6 months, I believe it'll be on nearly as many home computers as XP.
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#4 Posted by Cole on 15 May 2007 - 21:53
- To be honest, I am ready for Microsoft to die. For too long [the consumers] have suffered under sh*tty Microsoft software and hardware (from Windows to the 360 [major heating and quality problems]). I won't be buying any version of Windows over Windows XP. Linux please.
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#4.2 Posted by +rm20010 on 15 May 2007 - 22:44
- The day when all businesses magically flock from MS to *nix solutions overnight is the day someone starts offering T3 internet access in Antarctica.
MS will eventually lose their market position and something else will take over, say 15 years from now. Or more. Until then, they serve businesses just fine. -
#4.3 Posted by EduardValencia on 16 May 2007 - 12:41
- Who cares what you say,Vista is the fastest selling OS in the world,even if its not prebuilt in any manufactures pc (hands down),and specially i fell its a snappy,reliable,and more secure software.So vista all the way for me
As for the lifetime span of Microsoft,it will take much more than 15 years to dissapear,i think ull be dead when that happens
Stick with linux,let the happy people stick with windows.
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#5 Posted by Robgig1088 on 15 May 2007 - 21:55
- I think what he meant is that 40 million licenses have been distributed. Alot of universities and companies distribute it for free and I'm pretty sure those are included in those figures.
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#6 Posted by phantasmorph on 15 May 2007 - 22:18
- Impressive numbers...except when you realize the numbers include boxed copies sold, as well as bundled licenses and the free "Express Upgrade" offered to consumers who bought PCs with XP late last year.
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#6.1 Posted by trip21 on 15 May 2007 - 22:38
- There are also a great deal more computers sold today than 5 years ago so of coarse they are going to moving more OEM copies. It would be more of a positive on how great Vista was if Dell hadn't reinstated XP options when customizing machines.
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#6.2 Posted by phantasmorph on 15 May 2007 - 22:59
- Quote - (trip21 said @ #6.1)There are also a great deal more computers sold today than 5 years ago so of coarse they are going to moving more OEM copies. It would be more of a positive on how great Vista was if Dell hadn't reinstated XP options when customizing machines.
Very true, and at customer request, no less. When is the last time you heard of Dell customers getting so fired up over the fact they couldn't get a 5+ year old OS installed instead of the new one MS put out. Was Windows ME even met with such hostility? And since Vista will be replaced in two years, much like ME was...whats the rush to get this turd right now?
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#7 Posted by C++ on 15 May 2007 - 22:28
- That should shut up all the "Vista is a flop" preachers.
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#7.1 Posted by Justin- on 15 May 2007 - 22:46
- Nah, Linux and Mac zealots are still around. While they're around, there will never be a let up on this "Vista is a flop" stuff going around.
I think Microsoft will never do a public beta with another OS though, because it's got such bad press with users getting Vista Beta's and RC's confused with RTM. The RC's always crashed on me, the RTM runs flawlessly. -
#7.2 Posted by +rm20010 on 16 May 2007 - 00:53
- Quote - (Justin- said @ #7.1)Nah, Linux and Mac zealots are still around. While they're around, there will never be a let up on this "Vista is a flop" stuff going around.
I think Microsoft will never do a public beta with another OS though, because it's got such bad press with users getting Vista Beta's and RC's confused with RTM. The RC's always crashed on me, the RTM runs flawlessly.
MS needs to set new standards on specifically who can apply for their future OS testing programs. Vista's beta testing, while seen as unprecedented in how open MS made it for people to offer feedback, bugs, and suggestions, was overly littered with random people jumping in through invites they cried for in forums, plus signing in with Live IDs that have false birthdates set on their profiles. I am not implying that teenagers be barred from testing (despite that I am technically no longer under that age group), as there are certain teens that are honest and resourceful, as you can see from some Neowinians that post in the forums. However, there's a sheer number of them that drop all responsibilities in their position as beta testers by acting all egoistic and cool, they use the beta OS for one day and immediately uninstall it, and they go back onto forums and trash talk about MS.
They should scrap the point-and-click questionnaires and instead make people write a 500 word essay on why they should be accepted. Because honestly, this is supposed to be deciding on who to elect into a beta program, not collect more statistics for their own benefit. -
#7.3 Posted by Scirwode on 16 May 2007 - 05:07
- Quote - (rm20010 said @ #7.2)MS needs to set new standards on specifically who can apply for their future OS testing programs. Vista's beta testing, while seen as unprecedented in how open MS made it for people to offer feedback, bugs, and suggestions, was overly littered with random people jumping in through invites they cried for in forums, plus signing in with Live IDs that have false birthdates set on their profiles. I am not implying that teenagers be barred from testing (despite that I am technically no longer under that age group), as there are certain teens that are honest and resourceful, as you can see from some Neowinians that post in the forums. However, there's a sheer number of them that drop all responsibilities in their position as beta testers by acting all egoistic and cool, they use the beta OS for one day and immediately uninstall it, and they go back onto forums and trash talk about MS.
They should scrap the point-and-click questionnaires and instead make people write a 500 word essay on why they should be accepted. Because honestly, this is supposed to be deciding on who to elect into a beta program, not collect more statistics for their own benefit.
Wow, write an essay! I haven't written an essay for more than 7 years I believe . That said, I do agree with the fact that most of the beta testers in Windows Vista only installed it to show off that they had something new, instead of improving it. All those bugs that they complained could have been sorted out if they had just reported it but instead they wanted to show how cool they were by talking trash about Vista.
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#7.5 Posted by parithon on 16 May 2007 - 06:14
- Quote - (rm20010 said @ #7.2)MS needs to set new standards on specifically who can apply for their future OS testing programs.
I disagree... MS doesn't just do an open beta forum, they have much smaller groups of beta teams which performs complete actual tests on the OS. The open beta forum is used for multiple reasons. For example, it helps Microsoft gain an idea of how well the OS is going to fair with the average user. It also started alot of talk about the OS, good and bad, but the name is out there.
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#8 Posted by dduardo on 15 May 2007 - 22:32
- Well considering there have been approximately 60 million PCs sold in 2007 so far, 40 million in Windows Vista licenses isn't that surprising of a number. What is surprising is that 1/3 of PCs buyers are not opting for Vista. But who's to blame them.
http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=P8376
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#8.1 Posted by phantasmorph on 15 May 2007 - 23:05
- *and* they are including the 4 months of Free Vista Upgrades given away with PC sales prior to the Vista launch into their official sales figures...which includes all those PCs sold over the holiday season.
If anything, there should be a hoop MORE copies of Vista being "sold"...
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#9 Posted by Twisted Vista on 15 May 2007 - 22:48
- I'm very happy with Vista. Runs great on my PC, and blows XP away.
And XP = awesome.
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#10 Posted by tareqsiraj on 15 May 2007 - 23:23
- And... out of the 40 million ... how many were "actually" purchased from the stores instead of coming as a bundle with a new pc?
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#10.1 Posted by stifler6478 on 15 May 2007 - 23:31
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#10.2 Posted by C++ on 15 May 2007 - 23:42
- Yes, what the hell difference does it make how many were bought over the counter? Vistas sold is Vistas sold. Microsoft gets paid for those licenses no matter what, whether its by end users or by OEMs.
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#10.3 Posted by phantasmorph on 15 May 2007 - 23:45
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#10.4 Posted by stifler6478 on 16 May 2007 - 00:05
- Quote - (phantasmorph said @ #10.3)All those PCs sold last winter for the holidays, with the free Vista upgrade coupon, all the copies that came bundled with sales of new PCs, they are adding all those numbers in to boost stats. Not to mention that during the timeframe that Microsoft are stating, the number of Vista copies sold is only about HALF of the number of PC sales for that time.
All things considered, Vista is having a much worse launch than XP did.
No, you're slanting the data. I'm sure there were XP promotions when it came out too that they counted in those sales and such like that. They are comparing launches that had nearly the same conditions and Vista's lauch has come out better than the rest. You're trying to make something of nothing.
The easiest way to put it is like this:
Copies that were sold in pre-launch promotions: happened in Vista, not sure but probably happened with XP
Copies bundles with PCs, happened with both Vista and XP
Copies sent to MS and other misc employees and such: happened with Vista and XP
etc, etc.
The comparison for sales for the launches are identical and vista come out on top no matter which way you try and slant gates' data.
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#10.5 Posted by tareqsiraj on 16 May 2007 - 00:11
- Quote - (stifler6478 said @ #10.4)Quote - (phantasmorph said @ #10.3)All those PCs sold last winter for the holidays, with the free Vista upgrade coupon, all the copies that came bundled with sales of new PCs, they are adding all those numbers in to boost stats. Not to mention that during the timeframe that Microsoft are stating, the number of Vista copies sold is only about HALF of the number of PC sales for that time.
All things considered, Vista is having a much worse launch than XP did.
No, you're slanting the data. I'm sure there were XP promotions when it came out too that they counted in those sales and such like that. They are comparing launches that had nearly the same conditions and Vista's lauch has come out better than the rest. You're trying to make something of nothing.
The easiest way to put it is like this:
Copies that were sold in pre-launch promotions: happened in Vista, not sure but probably happened with XP
Copies bundles with PCs, happened with both Vista and XP
Copies sent to MS and other misc employees and such: happened with Vista and XP
etc, etc.
The comparison for sales for the launches are identical and vista come out on top no matter which way you try and slant gates' data.
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I'm pretty sure your also counting the number of ppl who wiped off vista from their brand new desktop/laptop and installed their old copy of WinXP ... right? ofcourse you are ... in case youre missing my point... did all these 40 million buyers actually "wanted" to buy Vista or "had" to buy vista
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#10.6 Posted by stifler6478 on 16 May 2007 - 00:32
- Quote - (tareqsiraj said @ #10.5)Chill dude... you should apply for Vista Marketing Dept. ... youre right ... everybody who thinks about the actual numbers is probably an idiot ... and youre sitting on top of every1.
PS: I'm pretty sure your also counting the number of ppl who wiped off vista from their brand new desktop/laptop and installed their old copy of WinXP ... right? ofcourse you are ... in case youre missing my point... did all these 40 million buyers actually "wanted" to buy Vista or "had" to buy vista (yes I know later on some ppl got refunds ... and you'll probably call them "idiots" because of that).
If you honestly think that most people who ended up with Vista have deleted it, you're bogus, but in such a case, C++'s comment comes into play in that Microsoft still got the money for it so it makes no difference anyhow.
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#10.7 Posted by phantasmorph on 16 May 2007 - 01:02
- Quote - (stifler6478 said @ #10.6)Quote - (tareqsiraj said @ #10.5)I'm pretty sure your also counting the number of ppl who wiped off vista from their brand new desktop/laptop and installed their old copy of WinXP ... right? ofcourse you are ... in case youre missing my point... did all these 40 million buyers actually "wanted" to buy Vista or "had" to buy vista
If you honestly think that most people who ended up with Vista have deleted it, you're bogus, but in such a case, C++'s comment comes into play in that Microsoft still got the money for it so it makes no difference anyhow.
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#10.11 Posted by +warwagon on 16 May 2007 - 04:40
- Quote - (C++ said @ #10.2)Yes, what the hell difference does it make how many were bought over the counter? Vistas sold is Vistas sold. Microsoft gets paid for those licenses no matter what, whether its by end users or by OEMs.
it would be more impressive if 40 million actually went out and bought it for themselves rather than getting it on a new machine, that says more.
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#11 Posted by Sinz on 16 May 2007 - 00:01
- Wonder how many copies went to Gates and Co.
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#11.1 Posted by stifler6478 on 16 May 2007 - 00:06
- The same amount of previous OS's would've have gone to them making this a null point.
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#13 Posted by gentoogod123 on 16 May 2007 - 00:54
- "It's been more anti-Vista than usual in light of this new flamefest of words and legal action between Microsoft and the Linux community. "
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#13.1 Posted by phantasmorph on 16 May 2007 - 01:04
- 'gentoo god', eh?
Doubt that.
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#14 Posted by bibutteryboy on 16 May 2007 - 01:16
- I'm thinking Micrososft could have low balled those numbers and they still would have had the fastest selling OS to date
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#15 Posted by david13lt on 16 May 2007 - 03:02
- "Microsoft, which controlled an estimated two-thirds of the global server software maker in 2006"
Is this numbers for real? I couldn't imagine. I had Windows server once and after several days someone hacked and formated it...
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#16 Posted by obsolete_power on 16 May 2007 - 04:25
- Vista is a great OS, the third party developers are the ones that are ****ty!
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#16.1 Posted by Patchou on 16 May 2007 - 05:42
- there's actually a lot of truth in that... many people don't seem to realise that many of their problems are caused by buggy software that were not properly designed in 2000/XP and perform improperly in Vista. Half of the programs I currently use are in this category, at least, and I'm not even talking about drivers.
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#16.2 Posted by parithon on 16 May 2007 - 06:21
- Quote - (Patchou said @ #16.1)there's actually a lot of truth in that... many people don't seem to realise that many of their problems are caused by buggy software that were not properly designed in 2000/XP and perform improperly in Vista. Half of the programs I currently use are in this category, at least, and I'm not even talking about drivers.
And thats the underlining nobody seems to get. Windows as an OS is very, very stable. It isn't until you install additional third-party (and sometimes even Microsoft software) that the OS becomes unstable; This is especially true for drivers... however Vista should help with that too.
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#17 Posted by CoolBits on 16 May 2007 - 05:40
- I think MS counts on how many Vista "genuine" computers update over their servers... and this would include bios hacked "genuine" vista too
//sarcasm
Yeah there are probably over 300 copies now sold in china
//sarcasm
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#18 Posted by Mich4elm4n on 16 May 2007 - 07:17
- it is said there will be no windowsxp manufacturer after 2007, is that true?
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#19 Posted by Magallanes on 16 May 2007 - 14:08
Windows _____?
Fast
Less Resource
More compatible
Cheap
Ugly.
Security depend in users.
Windows _____?
Slow
Resource hog
Least compatible.
Expensive
Nice eyecandies.
Security depend in users but windows ask for every "dangerous" task.
______?
Can be fast or average.
Can be from less resource to average.
Not compatible nativelly.
Free.
Ugly can be "patched" for a less ugly (but slow) interface.
Security depend in a correct configuration.
______?
Average.
resource hog.
Not compatible.
Expensive.
Pretty.
Security depend much in the factory default also in a correct configuration.
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#20 Posted by twinn233 on 16 May 2007 - 14:21
- i'm actually surprised by these numbers. Here in Florida I don't know anyone that uses Vista (legally or illegally).
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#21 Posted by +aniv on 16 May 2007 - 14:29
- Vista sold forcibly (bundled with OEM PC's) maybe.. I dont know how many of those actually bought the OS by itself lol. I respect Dell for continuing to offer both Win XP and Vista
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#22 Posted by ntoledo on 16 May 2007 - 16:47
- Ubuntu rocks! And with this 6 months release cycle it will be kicking Vista's butt by the time they release sp1
