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Google As Terror Tool?

RangerLG   on 04 June 2007 - 22:31 · 19 comments & 8734 views

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One of the plotters behind the alleged scheme to explode gas pipelines at John F. Kennedy airport directed his co-conspirators to use Google Earth to obtain detailed aerial photos of the targeted facility. In a federal criminal complaint, an excerpt from which you'll find below, one of the accused, Abdul Kadir, reportedly told cohorts to use the popular satellite software after he determined that surveillance video shot by the men was "not sufficiently detailed for operational purposes." Kadir, a Guyanese citizen and former member of that country's parliament, made the Google suggestion during a February meeting with an alleged co-conspirator and a government informant (Kadir and three other men have been charged with planning the terror attack).

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(3 replies) #1 D-M on 04 Jun 2007 - 22:57
Who's to say Microsoft didn't hire these guys to say these things? Why didn't they use maps.live 3D to plot there scheme? Maybe it's a Microsoft plot to knock out the new 360 mapping software google has to offer. And no, I'm not a fan of either, I just use either as a tool, like everything else.
#1.1 cardg on 04 Jun 2007 - 23:34
Another from the Paranoid States of America
#1.2 Optix Illusion on 05 Jun 2007 - 13:20
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Another from the Paranoid States of America


Living in the U.S you have to be paranoid. The U.S government & lawyers is our terror.
#1.3 jameswjrose on 05 Jun 2007 - 14:39
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Another from the Paranoid States of America


Living in the U.S you have to be paranoid. The U.S government & lawyers is our terror.


Sadly, I feel the same way.


In other thoughts....
a) They didnt use MS Live's images (which show more current images for my area of Manhattan) because no one knows about it. (basically)

b) All tools can be used for good and bad. Google, a hammer, guns, whatever. I have a bad taste in my mouth when people start blaming the tool, not the user.
#2 SimpleRules on 04 Jun 2007 - 23:15
And if Google Earth wasn't around? Oh yeah, they'd rent a helicopter or use one of the many, tourist copters that fly around New York.

How do I know this? Well thats exactly what previous terrorists have done.

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Shocking terrorists use maps to plan attacks ... I'd have figured maps were only useful for friendly peaceful family journeys.
(2 replies) #3 Eis on 04 Jun 2007 - 23:18
Sucks that good things have to be put to such use.

Unfortunately it's unavoidable. If you open it to the public it's going to happen. The only way to stop it is to find out why people do it in the first place and try to put a stop to whatever's causing the mental issues.
#3.1 blackwind on 05 Jun 2007 - 00:56
Religion, you mean?
#3.2 z0phi3l on 05 Jun 2007 - 10:42
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Religion, you mean?



Religion, mental issues, same difference
#4 +troist on 04 Jun 2007 - 23:25
thats always the problem with freely and easily available information. idiots can then get it and do stupid things with it.
#5 Xero on 04 Jun 2007 - 23:59
It sucks that bad things can be done with this, but what are we going to do, stunt our technologic development? Please we have to find a way to deal with these things not halt technology.
#6 black_death on 05 Jun 2007 - 00:38
yes google earth can be used for terrorist attacks, and phones can be used for planning terrosist attacks, crosses and pictures of george bush can be used as terrorist weapons, lets destroy everything that can be used by terrorists!
#7 Nose Nuggets on 05 Jun 2007 - 01:40
they are publicly available images. and you can get ones that are twice the rez for a couple hundred bucks. just because google is THE MAN! and brings this kind of awesome content to the masses does NOT mean you have to get on there case when a couple of crazy fools use it for negative purposes. does this in ANY way retract from the millions of positive uses from millions of users?

i think not.
(1 reply) #8 +Octol on 05 Jun 2007 - 02:52
Yes, these particular terrorists were real dangerous individuals. They had no money, no guns, no explosives, no military training, no history of terrorist activity, and no clue whatsoever as to how they might carry out this attack. Yet to hear the government tell it, these individuals were in the same league with Osama bin Laden – and just as much of a threat. But of course they weren't. Especially when you consider that the 'mastermind' of this operation was an intellectually challenged 63-year-old on the edge of homelessness.

Even the planned attack itself was a totally unworkable bag of baloney. A pipeline expert interviewed by the New York Times stated unequivocally that even if these guys actually managed to carry out the attack, the built-in safety features of this particular pipeline would have limited any explosions to whichever segment of the pipeline was detonated; no chain reactions, no massive loss of life, nothing of that sort.

Frankly I'm surprised these guys had enough intelligence and skills among them to find the pipeline on Google Earth, never mind blow it up.

And, by the way, the primary witness against these guys was a drug dealer up on felony drug charges. I'm sure he got himself a really good deal giving the authorities the scoop on these 'terrorists'.

Way to go, anti-terrorist guys! Once again you got yourselves some real winners!
#8.1 black_death on 05 Jun 2007 - 04:16
you bring up a good point, anyone who would use google earth to plan a terrorist attack probably doesnt have the weapons or training necessary to pull off terrorist attacks including the guys you mentioned.
(1 reply) #9 LTD on 05 Jun 2007 - 04:50
Google is not the problem. American economic imperialism is the problem.
#9.1 vetneufuse on 05 Jun 2007 - 17:56
Yes and the EU isnt currently doing the same thing
(1 reply) #10 Ikshaar on 05 Jun 2007 - 13:00
Since when Neowin tries to compete with low-class tabloid

If PC was running Windows, Windows is a terror tool, if they have a Ford car, Ford is a terror tool, if they ate cereal, Kellogs is a terror tool...

Yes people use computers. Assuming all terrorists live in caves with their goats is stupid.
#10.1 Lucas on 05 Jun 2007 - 18:08
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Since when Neowin tries to compete with low-class tabloid

If PC was running Windows, Windows is a terror tool, if they have a Ford car, Ford is a terror tool, if they ate cereal, Kellogs is a terror tool...

Yes people use computers. Assuming all terrorists live in caves with their goats is stupid


Agreed.
#11 Tech001101 on 05 Jun 2007 - 18:34

The funny thing is most of the "real" dangerous terrorists are highly educated with doctorates or university degrees etc..and they brainwash the uneducated/poor recruits to do the violent acts for them.

The key is to find out why they hate the West so much....I know from what I've read about Al Queda is that they were not happy with U.S. involvement in their affairs in the region...then again the middle east governments are afraid of them or in some cases support them also...so they don't have any real control over them... So instead of having discussions with their own governments they go after the Western Countries with this retribution for meddling in their "world" whether for economic reasons or human rights purposes.

Anyone ever watched the BBC documentary? I think it's called "Power of Nightmares" and "Stealing a Nation"

they are all over google video and youtube.... It may help you understand what this extremist/fundamentalist mentality and government control is all about.

But diplomacy and discussion is the way to resolve things not WAR or Terrorist Acts.

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