Twenty years from now a new generation of computer users will look back on the operating systems of today with the same bemused smile we look back at the cars of the late 1950s and early 60s. They had huge fins, were the size of a small yacht and burned up just about as much gas. That's right, I'm comparing Apple OS X 10.5, or Leopard, and Microsoft's Windows Vista to those old behemoths -- big and flashy and totally unnecessary.
Instead our grandchildren will be using discreet, unobtrusive operating systems that will be invisible to the naked eye. They will, if you want to think about it like this, almost be a return to the concept of a command line, only in this case they will respond to either a typed command or a voice command or perhaps a gesture to open, join, find, save or close a file. Most likely they will be embedded in the system that you buy or in the network.
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Instead our grandchildren will be using discreet, unobtrusive operating systems that will be invisible to the naked eye. They will, if you want to think about it like this, almost be a return to the concept of a command line, only in this case they will respond to either a typed command or a voice command or perhaps a gesture to open, join, find, save or close a file. Most likely they will be embedded in the system that you buy or in the network.
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If, 20 years ago, you said "We'll be using computers which have 4 cores on one chip, over 3ghz, TBs worth of HDD space and Gbs of RAM", people would have laughed in your face
a couple of my favorites from those days are "Shelby Cobra" and "1968 Shelby GT500"
The best that can happen right now is that Microsoft recall Vista and refund all money spent on it and the extra drivers needed to be compatable with vista. That would be the best they could do and the next thing they could do is close up shop if Vista is the best these airheads can do.
In other words, the 32-bit version of Vista is the most stable OS I've used.... You sure there isn't something up with your hardware scheme?
In other words, the 32-bit version of Vista is the most stable OS I've used.... You sure there isn't something up with your hardware scheme?
That's exactly it too. After so many years you would think people would quit blaming the OS for every little thing that happens to their computer. Try blaming software, hardware, or user error for once. Heaven forbid. And how did this turn in to a bashing thread yet again.
I'm not sure how Vista's UI is bloated unless you are just commenting about the borders....? The Control Panel actually has descriptions next to everything to help the novice user, there is no ambiguity between copying a file into a folder or dragging a file ontop of another file or folder and mistakenly copied to the wrong place or opened the wrong thing, and you don't have to explain to newbies about what happens when you right click in the white space (the features are no longer hidden). IMO, this is the least "clunky" version of windows I've seen.
These statements honestly frustrate me. How can you make such a general assumption especially as it's well known across the internet that Vista still has some rough edges when it comes to resource management.
Have a nice day.
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I too have been running Vista Ultimate on two laptops. One a HP dv9730us/ AMD Turion 64 X2 /4 gigs of Ram/ all bells and whistles go...I have had no problem. My other laptop an Alienware M9750 / Intel 2 Cores/ dual sli enabled nvidia cards / 4 gigs of Ram/ all bells and whistles go...No Problems Whatsoever. I really believe the people complaining about Vista is trying to run it on inadequate hardware. As a matter of fact my systems have not crashed once. I can multi-task like crazy from Gaming, to downloading mp3, to watching movies, making DVD's, whatever, no problem. My only complain is that they should give us some nice Utlimate Extras.
worst comparison ever.
My concern is that people are bagging out a system, which while is quite bad, from what I can see is not quite finished. So many features were removed from Vista that it's difficult to see what it may have become had longhorn's feature set not been so decimated.
The reality is that Microsoft’s employee's seem to work hard at there jobs, despite what there software may suggest, but they answer to the one thing that rules everything... money. Vista was released not finished, not ready and without the many beneficial features we may have seen.
Microsoft says, we release an operating system, good or not it makes money. Well from what I have seen Vista has made money, I’ve seen techs and non tech running to get a copy for testing. Some to vomit on it, and some to love it.
I think Microsoft has come to a point where money is the ruling factor over all there business decisions. This makes sense other then that fact it’s coming in the way of their product development.
There is the argument that business have not run to this operating system... this is not suprise as many univerisities and technical colledges were until 1 or 2 years ago were still runnings windows 2000 and have only now begun to catch up to XP which i think would be the same in many businesses.
Businesses need hard factual evidence that an operating system will work. This takes years of use.
One other thing? the idea of Microsoft closing up shop might make Linux lovers and Microsoft's Haters scream for joy? but issues like no more bug patching in a non open source operating system, no more technical support and no more extreme documentation for support (MSDN) would mean extreme damage for businesses, software companies and people at home. This to me, is a very silly idea that so many seem to have. Because very few people would flock to Linux, hell i wouldn't flock to Linux. Mac would take over the marketshare... and say hello to the "you don't need to understand why it works, it just does" kind of tech world.
My second part is on the operating system that Daniel imagines... the first thing that comes to my mind is that the idea that has been proposed is a Linux users dream. No more prettiness, no more hassle, so much more system power to be used on... I don’t know what, but something.
I personally agree that the operating system must fundamentally change, because it's becoming bloated and slow. Does this mean we need a return to the command line? Or a version of it?
I find that many non tech people are not only scared of the command line, but can barely find the start menu or know what a "taskbar" is. I dazzled and wow'd three supposedly technically minded people by creating a batch file which renamed all there files from .vob to .mpg.
In an age where the people want this simpler, and not have to think so much, I think we have many many more years of bloat and pointless features to come. How many times have you said to someone "I’ll lend you a book so you can see how to do it" and they fain interest, say ok and that book never leaves your shelf.
Mine still hasnt arrived. I just went through the payment proces for the 3rd time 3 days ago. yes the THIRD bloody time after they've stuffed up, cancelled orders without notification or cause ect. *sigh*
Mine still hasnt arrived. I just went through the payment proces for the 3rd time 3 days ago. yes the THIRD bloody time after they've stuffed up, cancelled orders without notification or cause ect. *sigh*
What ****ed me off more then anything? is that fact it doesn't even come in a Vista box or anything.. had HP all over it *shudder*.
Plus was in a paper slip not a case... thats what you want dvd's coming in isn't it.
Plus i feel your pain i spoke to several illiterate people to find out what was going on.. went from it was coming, to not coming, to on it's way, to cancelled, to me not being elligable for it... wow they really have there sh*t together.
I realise outsourcing saves money? but it frustrates the hell out of it's customers...
My concern is that people are bagging out a system, which while is quite bad, from what I can see is not quite finished. So many features were removed from Vista that it's difficult to see what it may have become had longhorn's feature set not been so decimated.
The reality is that Microsoft’s employee's seem to work hard at there jobs, despite what there software may suggest, but they answer to the one thing that rules everything... money. Vista was released not finished, not ready and without the many beneficial features we may have seen.
Microsoft says, we release an operating system, good or not it makes money. Well from what I have seen Vista has made money, I’ve seen techs and non tech running to get a copy for testing. Some to vomit on it, and some to love it.
I think Microsoft has come to a point where money is the ruling factor over all there business decisions. This makes sense other then that fact it’s coming in the way of their product development.
There is the argument that business have not run to this operating system... this is not suprise as many univerisities and technical colledges were until 1 or 2 years ago were still runnings windows 2000 and have only now begun to catch up to XP which i think would be the same in many businesses.
Businesses need hard factual evidence that an operating system will work. This takes years of use.
One other thing? the idea of Microsoft closing up shop might make Linux lovers and Microsoft's Haters scream for joy? but issues like no more bug patching in a non open source operating system, no more technical support and no more extreme documentation for support (MSDN) would mean extreme damage for businesses, software companies and people at home. This to me, is a very silly idea that so many seem to have. Because very few people would flock to Linux, hell i wouldn't flock to Linux. Mac would take over the marketshare... and say hello to the "you don't need to understand why it works, it just does" kind of tech world.
My second part is on the operating system that Daniel imagines... the first thing that comes to my mind is that the idea that has been proposed is a Linux users dream. No more prettiness, no more hassle, so much more system power to be used on... I don’t know what, but something.
I personally agree that the operating system must fundamentally change, because it's becoming bloated and slow. Does this mean we need a return to the command line? Or a version of it?
I find that many non tech people are not only scared of the command line, but can barely find the start menu or know what a "taskbar" is. I dazzled and wow'd three supposedly technically minded people by creating a batch file which renamed all there files from .vob to .mpg.
In an age where the people want this simpler, and not have to think so much, I think we have many many more years of bloat and pointless features to come. How many times have you said to someone "I’ll lend you a book so you can see how to do it" and they fain interest, say ok and that book never leaves your shelf.
I'm going to comment in two parts. First, you're a moron. This isn't even a discussion about Vista, this is a discussion about the future of computing. Take your trolling to the Fisher-Price club if you want to post like this and act like a child. Vista has been completely fine with my machine and it isn't the latest and greatest. You can't expect a POS computer to run it - welcome to the 21st century. It isn't "bloat", it's technological advances. The lightbulb was not invented overnight and yes, you are going to continue to see fancy skins, bells and whistles and the like because that is what the world wants. If you look at technology, this is how it's been going for DECADES, not just with computers, with everything. People want the most for their money and don't want to have to go out and buy 40 different things from 40 different places just to get what they want. Imagine if I bought a car and all it came with was the frame and the seats and I had to go and buy the engine, fuel pump, tires, lights, etc. ALL from different places and all for piles of money just before I could start my car? Same goes for operatings systems. I don't want to have to go and buy 40 different pieces of software from 40 manufacturers just so I can have a worthwhile setup. So next time you sit here and bitch and moan about **** you don't understand, do some research and educate yourself.
The second part, Vista was finished and Vista was released with the features they stated. They informed the public "hey, we are taking this feature out" long before Vista was released and yet, people still paid for it knowing features were removed. It's not like MS released it promising features that were not in it. Furthermore, there is a reason why universities and schools don't upgrade right away, SEVERAL reasons. One, they have a budget and it costs money to buy licenses - if their current operating system does not need the upgrade, they would they do it just "because there's a new version"? Second, the hassle of upgrading all the machines and making sure all of the software works on it. It's all about budget. So no, it has nothing to do with "there is no reason to upgrade", it's "there is no reason to upgrade based on our budget". Educational facilities don't jump to upgrade everything the moment they get a chance.
All in all, Vista, just like every other piece of software out there today, has it's issues. MS clearly explained what you were getting when you put your money on the table and at $100 for a brand new operating system (I remember Windows 98 costing almost $200) which isn't bad, told you everything you were getting and not getting and you agreed to it when you bought it so you have no reason to bitch. MS of course is in it for money just like every other company out there today. If you knew anything about how to run a business you would know this. If you were running MS, they would be well known as "the company with a smile............that went bankrupt because they didn't know how to make money". Brand loyalty has been established for Microsoft since Windows 95 and they have been riding those waves since - so why would they need to worry about what you have to say? MS is not going anywhere anytime soon.
In future, tablet PCs will replace laptops, desktop computers will shrink in size and increase in speed expotentially. A completely wireless set up will exist and expect a lot of CPUs be embedded in to products even as small as a coffee maker. Changes will happen. The operating system may evolve to simple commands, but the interface is still going to get more and more fancy as the years go by. That will never change.
Do your research next time you post.
If you don't like what someone posts about then don't finish reading it. It's that simple but apparently you can't grasp that idea.
EDIT: You were reported for personal attacks on members. Have a good day.
er no, Bill gates predicts that rubbish every year and yet tablet PC's still sell sod all. The only way tablet PC's will take off is if they become as a usuable as a piece of paper and at the moment they aren't. A laptop will always still be many times more powerful than a tablet PC.
My concern is that people are bagging out a system, which while is quite bad, from what I can see is not quite finished. So many features were removed from Vista that it's difficult to see what it may have become had longhorn's feature set not been so decimated.
The reality is that Microsoft’s employee's seem to work hard at there jobs, despite what there software may suggest, but they answer to the one thing that rules everything... money. Vista was released not finished, not ready and without the many beneficial features we may have seen.
Microsoft says, we release an operating system, good or not it makes money. Well from what I have seen Vista has made money, I’ve seen techs and non tech running to get a copy for testing. Some to vomit on it, and some to love it.
I think Microsoft has come to a point where money is the ruling factor over all there business decisions. This makes sense other then that fact it’s coming in the way of their product development.
There is the argument that business have not run to this operating system... this is not suprise as many univerisities and technical colledges were until 1 or 2 years ago were still runnings windows 2000 and have only now begun to catch up to XP which i think would be the same in many businesses.
Businesses need hard factual evidence that an operating system will work. This takes years of use.
One other thing? the idea of Microsoft closing up shop might make Linux lovers and Microsoft's Haters scream for joy? but issues like no more bug patching in a non open source operating system, no more technical support and no more extreme documentation for support (MSDN) would mean extreme damage for businesses, software companies and people at home. This to me, is a very silly idea that so many seem to have. Because very few people would flock to Linux, hell i wouldn't flock to Linux. Mac would take over the marketshare... and say hello to the "you don't need to understand why it works, it just does" kind of tech world.
My second part is on the operating system that Daniel imagines... the first thing that comes to my mind is that the idea that has been proposed is a Linux users dream. No more prettiness, no more hassle, so much more system power to be used on... I don’t know what, but something.
I personally agree that the operating system must fundamentally change, because it's becoming bloated and slow. Does this mean we need a return to the command line? Or a version of it?
I find that many non tech people are not only scared of the command line, but can barely find the start menu or know what a "taskbar" is. I dazzled and wow'd three supposedly technically minded people by creating a batch file which renamed all there files from .vob to .mpg.
In an age where the people want this simpler, and not have to think so much, I think we have many many more years of bloat and pointless features to come. How many times have you said to someone "I’ll lend you a book so you can see how to do it" and they fain interest, say ok and that book never leaves your shelf.
My concern is that people are bagging out a system, which while is quite bad, from what I can see is not quite finished. So many features were removed from Vista that it's difficult to see what it may have become had longhorn's feature set not been so decimated.
The reality is that Microsoft’s employee's seem to work hard at there jobs, despite what there software may suggest, but they answer to the one thing that rules everything... money. Vista was released not finished, not ready and without the many beneficial features we may have seen.
Microsoft says, we release an operating system, good or not it makes money. Well from what I have seen Vista has made money, I’ve seen techs and non tech running to get a copy for testing. Some to vomit on it, and some to love it.
I think Microsoft has come to a point where money is the ruling factor over all there business decisions. This makes sense other then that fact it’s coming in the way of their product development.
There is the argument that business have not run to this operating system... this is not suprise as many univerisities and technical colledges were until 1 or 2 years ago were still runnings windows 2000 and have only now begun to catch up to XP which i think would be the same in many businesses.
Businesses need hard factual evidence that an operating system will work. This takes years of use.
One other thing? the idea of Microsoft closing up shop might make Linux lovers and Microsoft's Haters scream for joy? but issues like no more bug patching in a non open source operating system, no more technical support and no more extreme documentation for support (MSDN) would mean extreme damage for businesses, software companies and people at home. This to me, is a very silly idea that so many seem to have. Because very few people would flock to Linux, hell i wouldn't flock to Linux. Mac would take over the marketshare... and say hello to the "you don't need to understand why it works, it just does" kind of tech world.
My second part is on the operating system that Daniel imagines... the first thing that comes to my mind is that the idea that has been proposed is a Linux users dream. No more prettiness, no more hassle, so much more system power to be used on... I don’t know what, but something.
I personally agree that the operating system must fundamentally change, because it's becoming bloated and slow. Does this mean we need a return to the command line? Or a version of it?
I find that many non tech people are not only scared of the command line, but can barely find the start menu or know what a "taskbar" is. I dazzled and wow'd three supposedly technically minded people by creating a batch file which renamed all there files from .vob to .mpg.
In an age where the people want this simpler, and not have to think so much, I think we have many many more years of bloat and pointless features to come. How many times have you said to someone "I’ll lend you a book so you can see how to do it" and they fain interest, say ok and that book never leaves your shelf.
I'm going to comment in two parts. First, you're a moron. This isn't even a discussion about Vista, this is a discussion about the future of computing. Take your trolling to the Fisher-Price club if you want to post like this and act like a child. Vista has been completely fine with my machine and it isn't the latest and greatest. You can't expect a POS computer to run it - welcome to the 21st century. It isn't "bloat", it's technological advances. The lightbulb was not invented overnight and yes, you are going to continue to see fancy skins, bells and whistles and the like because that is what the world wants. If you look at technology, this is how it's been going for DECADES, not just with computers, with everything. People want the most for their money and don't want to have to go out and buy 40 different things from 40 different places just to get what they want. Imagine if I bought a car and all it came with was the frame and the seats and I had to go and buy the engine, fuel pump, tires, lights, etc. ALL from different places and all for piles of money just before I could start my car? Same goes for operatings systems. I don't want to have to go and buy 40 different pieces of software from 40 manufacturers just so I can have a worthwhile setup. So next time you sit here and bitch and moan about **** you don't understand, do some research and educate yourself.
The second part, Vista was finished and Vista was released with the features they stated. They informed the public "hey, we are taking this feature out" long before Vista was released and yet, people still paid for it knowing features were removed. It's not like MS released it promising features that were not in it. Furthermore, there is a reason why universities and schools don't upgrade right away, SEVERAL reasons. One, they have a budget and it costs money to buy licenses - if their current operating system does not need the upgrade, they would they do it just "because there's a new version"? Second, the hassle of upgrading all the machines and making sure all of the software works on it. It's all about budget. So no, it has nothing to do with "there is no reason to upgrade", it's "there is no reason to upgrade based on our budget". Educational facilities don't jump to upgrade everything the moment they get a chance.
All in all, Vista, just like every other piece of software out there today, has it's issues. MS clearly explained what you were getting when you put your money on the table and at $100 for a brand new operating system (I remember Windows 98 costing almost $200) which isn't bad, told you everything you were getting and not getting and you agreed to it when you bought it so you have no reason to bitch. MS of course is in it for money just like every other company out there today. If you knew anything about how to run a business you would know this. If you were running MS, they would be well known as "the company with a smile............that went bankrupt because they didn't know how to make money". Brand loyalty has been established for Microsoft since Windows 95 and they have been riding those waves since - so why would they need to worry about what you have to say? MS is not going anywhere anytime soon.
In future, tablet PCs will replace laptops, desktop computers will shrink in size and increase in speed expotentially. A completely wireless set up will exist and expect a lot of CPUs be embedded in to products even as small as a coffee maker. Changes will happen. The operating system may evolve to simple commands, but the interface is still going to get more and more fancy as the years go by. That will never change.
Do your research next time you post.
The comments on vista were directed at the person who commented before me with regards to Microsoft Owes people money for the Vista operating system not being so good. And i figured i hear so much whining and crying about Vista that i'd comment on that too. If you don't like it, too bad.
As far as Vista's not being finished, i do not deny they made public the removal of the features, i was pointing out that what Vista was meant to be was never 100% realised. IE: Not finished.
Your comments about microsoft? sounds in line with my opinion on it, so i'm lost why you felt the need to flame me.. i guess you feel better. So good on you.
Here my prediction, in 20 years no one will write these stories as we will all be serving our new ant overlords.
What this guy basically says is: The only reason we have this much eye-candy in both Mac OS X Leopard and Windows Vista is because Apple and Microsoft both want to make the biggest carnaval attraction out there, to attract as many people as possible. Why should that by any different 20, 30, 40 or even 50 years from now? Will all competition between different companies cease to exist just like that? I doubt it.
If these changes will come, it will be because of different reasons.
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The only good thing is short after these movements or trends, a counter movement appears, and I'm expecting it soon. I'm guessing both Apple and Microsoft are preparing the next computer experience, with very unique hardware and software. Soon after the open source community would duplicate and innovate over it.
The way Linux works is perfect: you have distributions packaging the kernel with programs, making evrything work together, and other companies making updates so that everything stays stable and secure.
1) It is very responsive and less system intensive for similar applications. Hardly every crashes and usually resolves the issue fast.
2) Linux almost never needs to be restarted even after heavy system updates
3) Never needs defragging (although i have read that it does it just takes much longer for significant fragmentation to occur)
4) Not as many viruses, but this problem seems to be directly proportional to popularity and linux is third in the 3 big OSes.
Linux users who are the same people that usually drive its development are geeks and not people they want to be different and show off their genius level IQs. This is a detriment cuz they will never admit failures and are ultimately not allowing their OS to get market share. Linux could win if it allowed for service packs instead of whole distro releases, improved file hierarchy (ive read the reasoning behind it but Microsoft is able to do all that with a very simple hierarchy), and finally a better window manager as gnome is to simple and kde is to complex and finiky and lets face it Vistas explorer is the best out there.
A couple of reasons for big OS's:
1. Millions of "consumers" have become accustom to and enjoy all the eye candy/ useability features that current OS's provide.
2. OS applets add value. Why buy an app when the one included in the OS meets many users needs. Especially items like a calculator, paint program and laugh if you will, a simple email app like Outlook Express, that's FAR cheaper than Outlook '07.
3. When done right, they (big OS's) are really nice products. Examples:
a. Windows NT 4.0 was, in it's day, a workhorse business OS.. yes?
b. Windows XP (containing NT techology).
c. I'm hoping some MAC/Linux types will include thier candidates for stable, versitle and reliable OS's.
Best!
PaulNC
A couple of reasons for big OS's:
1. Millions of "consumers" have become accustom to and enjoy all the eye candy/ useability features that current OS's provide.
2. OS applets add value. Why buy an app when the one included in the OS meets many users needs. Especially items like a calculator, paint program and laugh if you will, a simple email app like Outlook Express, that's FAR cheaper than Outlook '07.
3. When done right, they (big OS's) are really nice products. Examples:
a. Windows NT 4.0 was, in it's day, a workhorse business OS.. yes?
b. Windows XP (containing NT techology).
c. I'm hoping some MAC/Linux types will include thier candidates for stable, versitle and reliable OS's.
Best!
PaulNC
Exactly Paul!! It would be a Linux users wet dream to have such an invisible OS as described, but the entire history of computing runs against such a prediction, even now look at MS and MacOSX they steam towards more and more eye candy, while Linux pilfers away on the margins of the OS market. The reality is it would be naive to think that general consumers, and the millions who dont care about tech specs want an invisible OS, they want their eye candy, hell I even enjoy the eye candy.
What are you going to use your quad core processors, 4 gig of ram and increasingly advanced video cards for if not for a little eye candy? I love how people scream bloatware, but oh no, I cant believe Microsoft is using more resources than XP or Windows 95, how dare they attempt to utlise a relative proportion of current computing system specs!
As for computing changing, the big whigs have already pointed to in which direction thats going, they will be tackling the way we interact with computers. This is likely to be a big change in itself but not one which destroys the fundamentals of an eye candy OS future.
LMAO That was sweet
Considering how good OSX and Vista have been on warmth factor and interface optimizations, I will never go back.
XGL and Beryl can't shield erratic behavior of the OS itself, lack of comprehensive and interactive offline documentation and geeks with severe ***l attitude trolling forums insulting starters on their lack of knowledge.
Linux is still gonna be a joke for 5 years, at least. Keep on proclaiming nth year as Open-Source Desktop year, guys. You'll need the publicity.
As for new interfaces? Let's see how much benefit iPhones and Surfaces bring first. I for one, am much more than contented with my Wacom Intuos coupled with basically every human-input based app, along with the still awesome GUI of Vista/Tiger.
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