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PC sales are growing - but not because of Vista

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 28 June 2007 - 11:43 · 37 comments & 13786 views

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Worldwide PC shipments are expected to increase by 11 per cent this year spurred by uptake in emerging markets rather than the launch of Microsoft’s Vista operating system, according to research. PC sales are projected to total 257.1 million units in 2007, an 11.1 per cent growth on from 2006 shipments of 231.5million units, But the study by analyst Gartner says that first half sales show Microsoft’s Vista operating system has not proved a factor in driving new PC sales.

Manufacturers are focusing instead on emerging markets where 55 per cent of the growth is being propelled by new PC use, not replacement purchases. Gartner expects emerging markets to contribute some 128 million new PC sales during the next two years, consisting of 77 million desk-based systems and 51 million mobile PCs. This will equate to around a quarter of all PC units expected to be shipped globally in 2007 and 2008. The release of Microsoft Windows Vista operating system at the end of January has, so far, failed to stimulate the market in the way many hoped,’ said George Shiffler, research director for Gartner’s client platforms markets group.

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(11 replies) #1 Croquant on 28 Jun 2007 - 12:45
No surprise here. Vista is basically just XP with some new (mostly useless) stuff. It's just not "revolutionary" enough to trigger a upswing in PC sales.
#1.1 vetneufuse on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:11
Quote - (Croquant said @ #1)
No surprise here. Vista is basically just XP with some new (mostly useless) stuff. It's just not "revolutionary" enough to trigger a upswing in PC sales.


And all the new iterations of OSX and Linux havent been also? not much has changed drastically in the past few years OS wise... UI's and some new hardware support, tweaks in performance and such but besides that not much
#1.2 ahhell on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:11


Have you even used Vista?
#1.3 J_R_G on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:33
That's what they said about NT and 2K, 2K and XP, etc. It didn't hold water then and does not now.
#1.4 SniperX on 28 Jun 2007 - 14:10
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And all the new iterations of OSX and Linux havent been also? not much has changed drastically in the past few years OS wise... UI's and some new hardware support, tweaks in performance and such but besides that not much
What? When did you ever expect OSX to increase PC sales? Likewise, one of the benefits of Linux is that it can run on relatively low-spec systems. Ergo, it's not really like to be the catalyst of PC sales either, now is it?
#1.5 vetneufuse on 28 Jun 2007 - 15:35
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And all the new iterations of OSX and Linux havent been also? not much has changed drastically in the past few years OS wise... UI's and some new hardware support, tweaks in performance and such but besides that not much
What? When did you ever expect OSX to increase PC sales? Likewise, one of the benefits of Linux is that it can run on relatively low-spec systems. Ergo, it's not really like to be the catalyst of PC sales either, now is it?


I wasnt talking about sales, i was commenting on their comment that vista is just a bunch of tweaks and minor changes... which is about what every OS that comes out now is anymore
#1.6 C_Guy on 28 Jun 2007 - 18:10
"Vista is basically just XP with...."

It's sad and amazing how many people still just don't get it.
#1.7 +Chicane-UK on 28 Jun 2007 - 22:04
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It's sad and amazing how many people still just don't get it.


Well i've been using Vista since December and I still "just don't get it" - overhyped nonsense. Waiting for a break in my work load to trash it off my work PC and get back to XP.
#1.8 toadeater on 28 Jun 2007 - 23:09
Quote - (Croquant said @ #1)
No surprise here. Vista is basically just XP with some new (mostly useless) stuff. It's just not "revolutionary" enough to trigger a upswing in PC sales.


The ONLY reason I would install Vista is DX10 games. And I hope to avoid that scenario. because that's not much of an incentive compared to the hassle that Vista is so far.

"Vista-only" titles cracked to work with Windows XP
#1.9 whocares78 on 29 Jun 2007 - 05:13
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Have you even used Vista?


yeah have IT SUX BIG TIME.
#1.10 whocares78 on 29 Jun 2007 - 05:15
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Quote - (Croquant said @ #1)
No surprise here. Vista is basically just XP with some new (mostly useless) stuff. It's just not "revolutionary" enough to trigger a upswing in PC sales.


The ONLY reason I would install Vista is DX10 games. And I hope to avoid that scenario. because that's not much of an incentive compared to the hassle that Vista is so far.

"Vista-only" titles cracked to work with Windows XP


LMAO why woudl you want that, one of the guys at work bought a brand new ass kicking box and the frame rates in xp were about 120 vista about 60. VISTA is CRAP.
#1.11 Colin-uk on 29 Jun 2007 - 08:53
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And all the new iterations of OSX and Linux havent been also? not much has changed drastically in the past few years OS wise... UI's and some new hardware support, tweaks in performance and such but besides that not much


the only difference being, microsoft want you to pay for theirs lol.
(6 replies) #2 Lt-DavidW on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:12
This is completely missing the point. 99% of sales are from people who need to purchase a computer, very few people 'need' to purchase a standalone operating system. The only reason so many people are using XP is because it came preinstalled. This is how it's always been.
#2.1 J_R_G on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:27
Computer manufacturers could install linux for free and let the community provide tech. support, you know, the great linux dream, except...nobody wants it even if it saves them money. Nobody is downloading and installing linux either, according to web counters. Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market, and it came years after linux, which has been stuck with less than 2% for as long as anyone can remember.
#2.2 PureLegend on 28 Jun 2007 - 14:32
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Computer manufacturers could install linux for free and let the community provide tech. support, you know, the great linux dream, except...nobody wants it even if it saves them money. Nobody is downloading and installing linux either, according to web counters. Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market, and it came years after linux, which has been stuck with less than 2% for as long as anyone can remember.

So why do you think people don't use Linux?
#2.3 ichi on 28 Jun 2007 - 14:53
Quote - (J_R_G said @ #2.1)
Nobody is downloading and installing linux either, according to web counters. Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market


Yeah, because downloading and installing firefox is about the same as downloading and installing a new OS

And your "nobody" is 3.3%, about the same as the OSX install base, according web counters.
#2.4 Magallanes on 28 Jun 2007 - 16:43
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Quote - (J_R_G said @ #2.1)
Nobody is downloading and installing linux either, according to web counters. Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market



And your "nobody" is 3.3%, about the same as the OSX install base, according web counters.


But for linux, those 3.3% are mainly for people that downloaded for free and in OSX those percentage are (mainly) for people that own (buyed) a Mac. Quality vs Quantity.


#2.5 ichi on 28 Jun 2007 - 16:58
Quote - (Magallanes said @ #2.4)
Quote - (ichi said @ #2.3)
Quote - (J_R_G said @ #2.1)
Nobody is downloading and installing linux either, according to web counters. Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market



And your "nobody" is 3.3%, about the same as the OSX install base, according web counters.


But for linux, those 3.3% are mainly for people that downloaded for free and in OSX those percentage are (mainly) for people that own (buyed) a Mac. Quality vs Quantity.


Preinstalled and ready to use vs dare to do it yourself.
Two sides of the coin.
#2.6 Eis on 02 Jul 2007 - 06:38
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Saying this is because it's not preinstalled and consumers are ignorant does not fly, consumers download and use firefox enough to make it 15% of the browser market, and it came years after linux, which has been stuck with less than 2% for as long as anyone can remember.



Comparing an operating system to a web browser in terms of user base is absolutely ridiculous. Have you ever even installed another operating system before, or did you just look up some random facts to look smarter than you really are. If you would happen to get the chance, dual boot to another operating system (without reading how, as it's apparently just as easy as installing firefo, and then use it for about a month. Maybe then you'll see the difference between an operating system and a web browser.
#3 mrmckeb on 28 Jun 2007 - 13:26
Our notebook/desktop sales grew when Vista was launched... it's not the only cause of growth but it definately is one.
(2 replies) #4 eilegz on 28 Jun 2007 - 14:54
well its mostly because get a cheap pc now its cheaper, and most of those wont run vista at all (with the required premium experience). Here in panama and most 3rd world countries people buy those computer of 200 dollars and most cases wont come with an OS.
#4.1 MioTheGreat on 28 Jun 2007 - 15:44
Cheap PCs will run Vista. Even Dell's cheapest has an nVidia 6000 series and 512mb of RAM in it (Yeah, the RAM is a little low, but it'll still run Aero)

Edit: Ok. Maybe Media Center won't run, but that requires a tuner to be useful anyway, and you're already looking above "cheap" PC when you even mention that.
#4.2 GreyWolfSC on 28 Jun 2007 - 17:05
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Cheap PCs will run Vista. Even Dell's cheapest has an nVidia 6000 series and 512mb of RAM in it (Yeah, the RAM is a little low, but it'll still run Aero)

Edit: Ok. Maybe Media Center won't run, but that requires a tuner to be useful anyway, and you're already looking above "cheap" PC when you even mention that.


The whole Media Center PC idea is hosed right now anyway. Vista dropped it from being an OEM only feature to consumer to make it more accessible, but most cable companies use digital now. Unfortunately, the only way to get Media Center to record the 'good' channels is with CableCards. Even more unfortunately, CableCards are flaky, and at least MY cable company doesn't want to put them in a computer that isn't on their list of approved manufacturers.
#5 lbmouse on 28 Jun 2007 - 15:41
For the consumer market, there is a real problem when the OS cost more than the PC. For businesses there is very few if any significant reasons to upgrade at this time. In both cases (IMHO), MS missed the boat with Vista and this is why it has very little impact on PC sales.
(2 replies) #6 Relativity_17 on 28 Jun 2007 - 15:54
Vista has a chance of being more expensive than the PC when people are deluded into thinking that they NEED Ultimate edition.
#6.1 MrCobra on 28 Jun 2007 - 17:28
So true. "Ohhhh it's the Ultimate edition. I need it." Total BS.
#6.2 ziadoz on 29 Jun 2007 - 06:49
One thing about the versions I was disappointed with is that Shadow Volume Copy isn't in Windows Vista Home Premium. Surely this is a major oversight, since its the version most users will be getting by default. With Time Machine coming on Leopard as standard, it makes sense to have Shadow Volume Copy on consumer versions of Vista to me.
(1 reply) #7 OPaul on 28 Jun 2007 - 16:30
Where are these new emerging markets?
#7.1 xtravgnt on 28 Jun 2007 - 19:06
Latin America, Middle east (UAE and such), Africa, both booming areas where it's almost like the USA back in the early 90s. The USA market is pretty stagnant and I don't see it getting much better, tons of $400 dollar pcs that do everything they need to do, no point in upgrades, new systems etc which kills growth.
#8 black_death on 28 Jun 2007 - 17:54
PC sales are growing in developing countries? jeez I thought Mac sales would be growing in developing countries since theyre so much cheaper.
(1 reply) #9 otester on 29 Jun 2007 - 00:48
Only ones to defend Vista are the ones who were stupid enough to buy it.
#9.1 whocares78 on 29 Jun 2007 - 05:18
good one,
(4 replies) #10 Matt Zander on 29 Jun 2007 - 03:44
Vista is a turkey. I wish MS would let consumers like me choose what they wanted to load when purchasing an OEM system. I sure as hell wouldn't hit the Vista button.
#10.1 MrCobra on 29 Jun 2007 - 05:06
+1
#10.2 whocares78 on 29 Jun 2007 - 05:20
YOU CAN CHOOSE.

For all yo that do not know all versions of vista come with a roll back license, so you can roll back to XP for free. Which i suggest everyone buying a new PC does, all you need is any XP disk.

But definately agree vista is crap
#10.3 Colin-uk on 29 Jun 2007 - 09:07
Quote - (whocares78 said @ #10.2)
YOU CAN CHOOSE.

For all yo that do not know all versions of vista come with a roll back license, so you can roll back to XP for free. Which i suggest everyone buying a new PC does, all you need is any XP disk.

But definately agree vista is crap


So you need to buy an XP disk to do a free rollback from vista? LOL.
#10.4 whocares78 on 02 Jul 2007 - 08:50
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So you need to buy an XP disk to do a free rollback from vista? LOL.


ANY disk, means ANY disk, you can just borrow one. and if you don't know anyone at all with one, then damn your unlucky

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