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I know I'm going to be called an Apple fanboy and have 3 comments replying to this one pointing out my stupidity, but I'll say this: This is a problem with AT&T's activation process AFAIK, there isn't really anything Apple can do about it.

People who dislike Apple, rejoice, Neowin is far from becoming Neomac.

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Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that others share your opinion. Grow up!

And while that may be true, said person has the right to post their opinion, no matter it being for or against the subject. Said person didn't attack anyone here directly. You did. I think someone else needs to grow up.

Amen, ir0nw0lf - grow up indeed, Hurmoth!

It's OK to dislike stuff, people. Just because others are critical of certain products shouldn't have to make you nervous about your purchase. If you bought a certain product, then hopefully it's because you've done your research, and not just bought into the hype like most tend to do.

Most people that lash out on forums about product criticism unfortunately are folks that just buy into the hype. Then they become complete spazz's when anyone even mentions said product in a negative light.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it's entirely different to flame, troll, whatever you want to call it by simply saying "People actually lined up for this POS?". There's no reasoning provided, just another useless post from the Apple hating dickwads at Neowin.

Chill out, it's his opinion Hurmoth. You are the one who needs to grow up

Not that much different from blindly praising and defending a product because of brand loyalty.

Couldn't agree more! You can express your own opinion without posting useless garbage like calling the iPhone a POS.

How many did you buy? Do you need to defend them so you don't feel ripped off? Please share your experience and praise of the product with us.

I bought one. And I don't feel that I was ripped off, again this is opinion, just like yours, which is basically useless since I'm guessing you don't own one and can't really speak from experience.

Not when you've spent $600 or whatever.

1. Why would you need a spare battery for a phone?
2. Wifi is good enough for me
3. Do the ipods have expansion slots? I don't need to be carrying around 10 different cards.
4. 5-hour talk time is more than the avg 4hr talk time on most phones.
5. Show me a phone that has 5 Megapixels? My old phone had 1.3MP. If I want to take real photos I'll use my 8.1MP Sony Cybershot.

And out of all those features u mention the only thing I'm missing is IM, but my old phone didnt even have WLM anyways so I have to use the web browser anyways. I don't need games for my phone... I have a PSP, and I can live without MP3 ringtones. Smartphones are useless to me, I don't use my phone for business. Yea I'll enjoy my nice paperweight more than you

As I mentioned before, I had no trouble activating my 2 iphones. My only con that I have with the phone is I'm forced to use iTunes, which is one of the worst software I've ever used. I'll just wait for those other 3rd party programs to support an iphone.

It's actually 8 hours of talk time, and if you need more than that get to a land line. It has better battery life than most phones. 3G networks in the US aren't that common yet. 8 gigs is more than you get with most phones, and if you need more than that, then get a HD-based MP3 player. And finally, do you really need a high-quality camera in a phone? If you want good pictures, use a camera, not a cell phone.

ok heres a phone with a 5mp camera in it
http://europe.nokia.com/A4323297

Camera Specifications

Sensor: CMOS, 5 megapixel (2592 x 1944)
Carl Zeiss Optics: Tessar lens
Focal length 5.6 mm
Focus range 10 cm ~ infinity
Macro focus distance 10-50 cm
Shutter speed: Mechanical shutter: 1/1000~1/3 s

the iphone is quite frankly rubbish. Not only is it so expensive but us people in the uk will again be ripped off with prices. Also not forgetting the fact you cant remove the battery. Then i have to use itunes to use the phone wtf.

i like to carry spare batterys around with me as if your on the move and one dies you replace it and simply leave the other charging etc.

I second this. Something this primitive could only be considered "fresh" in the American market. If Apple wants to compete in Europe and more importantly, Asia, they are going to have to make some significant modifications to the unit.

Here are my problems with it:
1. ATT slow speed network and service contract
2. Cost, this thing is expensive for being so average
3. Lacks any true expansion slots
4. No battery plan for replacement (it can be serviced but you will be without a phone, WTF?)
5. Limited bluetooth
6. The display is nice but the phone is ugly
7. a crippled version of OSX that is about as related to OSX as Windows is Windows Mobile, ok maybe Windows embedded.
8. Storage (8 gigs for movies?)
9. lack of responsiveness in UI and lag when typing and making interactions with interface

What is nice about it:
1. a pretty nice display
2. the virtual keyboard is interesting
3. the ipod part of it is sweet
4. video play is a least viewable
5. it is made by Apple

I haven't heard anyone complain about an unresponsive interface; on the contrary, all the reports I've heard are that the thing is really responsive. Most people think the phone looks nice. And didn't you expect OS X to be crippled? Like Windows Mobile is?

The rest of your points are pretty valid, though.

I think the phone looks a little more average than most people I guess. It ships with more of a full OS than Windows Mobile so it would have been nice to see Apple take advantage of some features of the OS. I am not really even talking third party applications, just standard OSX packages. Finally, the interface does suffer some slow downs (brief pauses), though most of the time it is really fluid.

It is a nice phone, though not jaw dropping like some people in the media (and even some of my friends) claim. I sure Apple with time will update the phone to fix many of the problems, and we can only hope that ATT gets with the program.

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n95-1716.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_k850-2003.php

1. you will need to change the battery after some time.
2. for you maybe but for mobility 3g 3.6mbps is needed
3. you know microSD cards are up to 8gb now and will be increased to 32gb very soon? to expand the memory its easier just to buy a card than buying a new phone.
4. both phones up have 6 - 8 hours of talktime and have 3g, n95 adding 3g edge have wifi
5. click up

Me thinks you need to back that statement up. I don't see the iphone doing anything more than Windows Mobile.

I do see IT businesses not running out and adopting this, unlike Windows Mobile.

they have 3g models with good battery life. look at the nokia eseries, high resolution screens and GREAT battery life.
jobs i just throwing at excuse.

I know other phones have 3G and decent battery... but this is why I think apple put in EDGE,its lower power consumption and outdated technology is most likely cheaper and easier on the battery life.

Give it 3G and all the other standard features found on all mid range or above modern phones, and it would be fine, just apples lack of very simple things is strange.