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Yes they are and they are in their right to do so if people line up to buy their products so have their way with them. If you dont like it you can go elsewere for a cellphone. People knew ahead of time that the user was unable to change the battery easily, and that it would ultimatly require a service.

With that said anyone thinking that the next gen iPhone will have a user replaceable battery is quite simply, stupid, because if it was going to happen it would have happened back when the iPods had that lawsuit about the battery lifespan and then apple consequentially changed the 'fine print' to mention that batteries have a limited ammount of charging cycles. Also 90 bucks (after taxes) is a lot for a replacement battery hell you can get a laptop batter for about that price in some cases and the laptop batteries have more cells and power a much more hungy device (point being you dont get as much for your money if you need to replace the iPhone battery with this service).

Finally the price may seem like a lot but anyone buying the phone + a plan should have little difficulty affording the battery replacement service.

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+ $36 iTunes activation
+ at least $60 monthly plan

I wish I had that much dough to spare

P. T. Barnum said something about folks....buying into iPhone.

I'm sure all the fanboys think its worth it just because it has some new "revolutionary" interface. Haha and they tried to talk smack to PC users that vista is nothing new and just eye candy.

Yet look at the POS they just bought. All eye candy and nothing more.

To be honest, the same could be said of Leopard.

What are you talking about? You do realise this is a phone and not an Apple Mac. I doubt all buyers have Apples as well and plus there are many things an iPhone does properly that other phones use as a gimmick. It's comments like this that draw me away from Neowin.

Nevermind the many standard fearures NOT on the phone.....

Its a POS not worth the money it was marked up to. WOW i can use 2 fingers to zoom images!!! brag about it when that is a feature thats worth having. Dualtouch is pointless at the time.

Again just because you don't like the phone it's wrong to say 'POS' because you sound like a 13 year old who whines as you can't get one yourself. Whatever you may say, it's new and it's more usable than any other phone out there, and features that it lacks may be made through software updates. If you think its too expensive, wait until it drops in price. Like any new toy/gadget/mobile, it comes down in price over time. If I could afford it I'd buy one, not just for the looks but the messaging features, iPod integration and Safari.

Exactly.

thats good because your comments are just stupid i keep aksing all you apple fan boys one simple question yet i have not had an answer

Name ONE feature of the iPhone that is not available in an other phone????

I do realise it's a phone hence i would expect your average phone features, at least tri band, and being able to change my battery and ringtones.

[quote=imachip said,#5.5][quote=AltecXP said,#5.4]
Again just because you don't like the phone it's wrong to say 'POS' because you sound like a 13 year old who whines as you can't get one yourself. Whatever you may say, it's new and it's more usable than any other phone out there, and features that it lacks may be made through software updates. If you think its too expensive, wait until it drops in price. Like any new toy/gadget/mobile, it comes down in price over time. If I could afford it I'd buy one, not just for the looks but the messaging features, iPod integration and Safari.[/quote]

I am not 13 actually over double that, i actually have an idea of technology and understand it, yet i agree the iphone is a POS, i can afford one quite easily, i could probably even afford about 30 of them but there is no way in hell i would be stupid enough to buy one.

hello i have to send it back to apple to get the battery replaced, and i LOOSE all my data durign the process, that is beyond ridiculous, and apple should have learnt their lesson with the iPod battery fiasco.

Please tell me you don't use / like Vista.. because I think the irony in that statement would be too much to bear.

I'd imagine that most users will actually make use the sync features as it is a smartphone and the software is included. If it's just the battery thats dead, just plug it into the socket and sync it, can't be too hard?

haven't worked with older corporate executives much have you?..... syncing for older execs seems to be the big huh?! to them...... its "too much work".... yes we comp people know its not but to them doing anything more then just using it is "too much work"......

So I guess their support staff lack the knowlege to plug it into power and sync it via iTunes for them... Or haven't shown them how to setup the feature and explain the benifits clearly.

Apple has a solution! For a low,low,low price of 199.95, we can "sync" the data off your iPhone. for you!

LMAO totally agree, i have seen entire mailbox's deleted by execs

uh huh... sounds like someone who doesn't know how businesses and execs work... trust me... tech people have no time for this and the execs could care less about how to sync... they just wont do it and if you teach them it wont stick...get in the real world for a while and you will see how it works...you could spend thousands of dollars and hours training, but most of the time it does no good

agreeed, these are the people that get laptops and permanatly leave them on their desks.

Amen, in an office of 300 people, 75% have laptops and only 2% actually make use of the laptops portability.

The excuse from execs as to why they don't use it?!?....wait for it...."it's too heavy to carry."

What business will allow the installation of iTunes to sync a phone? Most corporate computers are reduced access and disallow installation of unapproved software.

and what revision is the iPod on now? and you still can't do anything about its battery....

exactly. apple has to make their money for somewhere even if its from poor fools with a lot of money

hahah what is it with mac loosers comparing the iPhone to a top of the range car, hello ferrari is couple of hundred thousand dollars, if you have one you ARE rich, iPhone is less than 1000, anyone can buy one if they really want, and you do not have to be a millionaire to be able to afford the insurance etc.

what you are saying is this phones really really pretty so i don't care how much all the extra crap costs,

oh yeah P.S. i think everyone that buys a ferrari knows it's gonna cost them shitloads to keep it adn repair it so your comparison is just stupid i.e. one thing that costs $200000 or more and one that costs $600 or so.

and lets see how long those batteries really last.
spoken like a true apple fanboy, 'its about looking cool, not being cheap' lol

and maybe to you its easy to sync files but im sure not everyone is computer literate. plus you shouldn't have to backup your files, hell you shouldn't have to send it in for a battery replacement!

lol. Wow, getting defensive.

Look, I just changed my N95's battery right here. Took 10 seconds. I didn't sync, or lose data. Oh, and I did it myself, without being without a phone for at least a week.

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what if you don't have a PC/MAc, what if you don't sync, i never sync my phone yet it has the capability, why becasuei idon't need to. i synced it when i first got it to get my phone numbers but since then i have never synced it, and i woudl loose all my data if it were an iphone and it needed a new batery. Jus because you would be fine and not be affected it does not mean every other person in the world will be the same. and syncing does go both ways.

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First off, not a fanboy, I like Apple, but they are far from perfect. I'm looking at this from someone with a brain. Lets start from the top. The battery will likely last a few years, my iPod's battery is still fine after 2 years. Not to mention most people replace their cell every few years, so having to dish out 80 for a battery isn't that pricey in reality. Also being without a cell for a week? Perhaps you need to learn how to read, because Apple will give you a loaner iPhone for 30 bucks.

Next as for backing up your data? What exactly are you backing up, all your information for your iPhone numbers aside all originated from the computer, if anything your backing it up onto your iPhone. Music, Contacts, Email, Bookmarks. These are all things that don't need backing up, they are something thats coming from your computer, try and grasp that concept.

Next as for what if they don't have a computer? Why the hell would they buy an iPhone if they didn't have a computer, besides you literally need a computer to get it activated, so I don't think not having a computer is going to be an issue in this era.

As for the phone not being bulky, the iPhone is a little more advanced than your average cellphone yet its still thinner than nearly everything else. The N95 is thicker than the iPhone, so theres your answer. As for where do I base my opinion on batteries? have your looked at cellphones, theres your answer, or talk to someone who knows what they are talking about and they will explain it.

The one I will agree with is Apple could have done it right in the beginning and made it removable with still reducing size if they planned it in the beginning, but not only would that make the phone bigger than it currently is, even if its not a lot, and it will require Apple to break their "laws" of design, which I doubt they will do.

Bottom line is some people like to pay more for things that look good, look at most Apples product line, similar hardware to PC makers yet it costs more? Why? Design, and Engineering, Macs are hell of a lot more compact and better built than most manufacturers so they cost more, why did you expect different with the iPhone?

Look at the Blackberry 8800, Curve or pearl to see how to design a product to have a removable, user replacable battery without sacrificing looks or style.

For most people, having to go 5-7 days without a phone is just a deal breaker and absolutly not possible.

You could buy a PS3 at that price Apple is selling that thing, and the PS3 has more software available to it (that's saying a lot).

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Yea. That Razr is one bulky piece of crap!

Every other phone on the market has a removable battery and most of them are really really small. do you have any basis for what you say. sounds pretty ludicrous to me, oh yeah and p.s it's only redisigning it becasue they designed it bad in the first place.

and if anyone is going to edit my post for me, can you at least leave a reason for doign so adn not remove the whole point of what i was writing

which part of the brain are you cliaiming you have, i am guessing the left, isn't that the "artistic side" well i am guessing being an apple lover.

OK on the battery thing, if these things never needed replacing you would not have so many after market batteries you can buy, how is apples battery goign to be so much better than the rest. LMAO it's all ok you can pay even more and apple wil lend you a phone, how many peoples hands have been all over that thing??

You really have no idea, you can activate it via at&T so you do not NEED a computer, many people with ipods i am sure do not havea computer, in fact i know a few. to say noone that buys one wil not have a computer is just ridiculous, as for the backups it's the numbers i am worried about loosing so i don't get what you are goign on about. all the other crap is easy to get back. it's the numbers that arent

I don't get how it is so much more advanced, what the hell do you and all these others mean by that, you can't just say its so far advanced and not have anythign to back up your claims.

The size well my phone is like a centimetre thick , looking at it now and i can remove the battery quite easily, how will making a battery remoavable make it so much bigger and uglier, i really just don't get where you are coming from, and saying, talk to someone that knows, i will because you my friend obviously don't.

bottom line is mac lovers are nmot the smartest users in the world, hence they have to make it so much easier to use.

right on the money

the PS3 is way way over priced.. That's why its mot selling all that good.. An plus i know alot of people who took there PS3 back because they said it sucked assed and no good games to play on the damm thing....

But if u have said... Take the IPhone back and get urself a Nintendo or a xbox360. then i would have to agree...

Well, there you go! Sony should sell the PS3 to Apple. Apple will change the case, slap a logo on it and then sell it for twice as much and people will kill to get one!

LMAO +1 it's funny cause it's true

i agree, no matter what you all say, it's an iPhone and it will alwasy be, not much we can do about it, besides not waste our money on them

hell yeah and it might even be driveable although i am sure you have to buy the apple road map cause any normal one won't work. and it won't have a steering wheel, or even brakes, but it will be iPod and iPhone compatible so i guess that will make it hell sweet also i think you may be a little reasonable on the price, hey a porshe is only that much, i am guessing 1 mill. you know because it is sooo pretty and all adn easy to use

LMAO

Rumor has it that when the Icar runs out of gas, you have to pay for a transport to Cupertino for them to refuel it for you.

Will it have a sealed battery too?

Sealed engine. So if anything breaks down, you have to pay for a new iCar.

slightly incorrect you only have to send it back and get the engine replaced, but they do it in a week and of course all your money gets taken out the ash tray

LMAO, you can't seriously believe that tripe. it's an MP3 player, if it still plays MP3's it isn';t that far out of date, oh yeah i forgot, they made one slightly small change to the new model so the old one is useless.

Yeah, but when the battery will die, will I want to pay another 80 bucks for an iPod that doesn't even have a color display? I'd prefer paying the whole price and buy a brand new product.

Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more. It's not expensive for nothing, just to play MP3s. Or maybe you think it is.

Think before laughing at others.

It's not the companies decision to decide when the product will be "outdated" or not. Its the customer's decision. Apple taking that right off the customers is uncalled for.

I still use my Nokia 6100 and I purchased it 4 years ago, outdated? I think not.

If you're concerned about features you still shouldn't be getting an iPod considering most of the other players do more now. And you can't tell me they're all ugly.

thinking thinking thinking, ok now can i laugh

ROFLMAO

all you apple buts say apple hjas more more more, but everyone else sees it as having less less less, my question to you is, what the hell is this more you are talkign about?? please please don't tell me it look s pretty and is easy to use, i am so sick of hearing that crap from apple users

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whocares68 : STFU. First I don't even understand what you're talking about because you can't write english. **** it isn't even my first language and I know how to write it better than you......

If you're talking about the iPod or the iPhone (otherwise you're totally off-topic...), yes they are all easy to use, they look pretty and all.
Yes, other MP3 players are also pretty and easy to use. I just prefer Apple's style, what do you want.

Oh and did I really say Apple has more to offer? Generally, I'd agree that Apple has it, while many others don't. They are better than the average, but they don't have everything.

On the english ummm whocares maybe neowin needs to add a spell check I will try and say this in clear English for you so you can have no excuse for not answering my questions clearly.

In regards to what I am talking about, you said and i quote

"Yeah, it still plays MP3, but an iPod is supposed to be much more"

I would like to know what this "more" you mention is all about, why is it ok for Apple™ to charge so much more money for the same thing or sometimes even less functionality than other manufacturers. I do not consider "it looks pretty and it's easy to use" as viable arguments to say it is worth more money

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But at least you wouldn't be without the phone for a week, and you have a spare.

Nope. The U.S. has a 90 day limited warranty imposed unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer and only if it's a product defect. Here you'd still have to pay for the battery whether the phone was under warranty or not.

The U.S. consumer laws only benefit the corporations.

They already got $600 from these suckers. You really think they'd care?

Firstly, define what's "a good compact camera".
AFAIK, all cameras now has replacable battery and they are quite cheap. By "quite cheap" I refer they are under USD$50.

Secondly, whats "professional inserting"? Guess I'm professional because I always switching batteries for my Fuji F810 compact camera?

please enlighten me.

$14 for my Canon Compact.

LOL!!

LMAO, it's funny cause it's true