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Firefox gains at Microsoft's expense

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 16 July 2007 - 19:57 · 47 comments & 13850 views

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Mozilla's web browser Firefox is becoming increasingly popular, gaining on average an extra 3.1 percent of the market in 32 European countries in the past four months, according to French web monitoring company XiTi Monitor. Since its launch, Firefox has been steadily gaining market share from the dominant browser, Microsoft's Internet Explorer (IE). In the first week of July 2006, Firefox had 21.1 percent of the market. In the first week of July 2007, Firefox held 27.8 percent of the European market, according to XiTi Monitor's report.

"It's a nice way to get started on a Monday morning," said Tristan Nitot, president of Mozilla Europe. "I hope we continue to gain market share, as our goal is to promote choice. Monopoly leads to lack of innovation."

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(2 replies) #1 solardog on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:09
I like Firefox, but I still like Opera more. That being said, I'm using IE7 right now.
#1.1 billyea on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:11
All around guy, nice.
#1.2 Septimus on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:49
For Vista though, IE7 is slightly more secure, especially w/ IE7 Pro. Will go back to FF once Protected Mode is supported.

They said for v3, but I doubt it.
(6 replies) #2 +nezermundy on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:10
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


So true, if it had not been for Firefox, IE7 would not of happened so quickly or been available for Windows XP.
#2.1 ThaCrip on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:44
i agree there

but i dont think ill switch from Firefox to IE anytime soon.
#2.2 RealFduch on 17 Jul 2007 - 01:59
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


You're right. But because FF is standards non-compliant, the more this plague spreads the more it slows down data-driven innovations in web. When FF was 2% I could happily make my standards-based XML web sites and not mind FF's proprietary plague. Now I cannot. Bye-bye innovation.
#2.3 DJ_Myth on 17 Jul 2007 - 02:21
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Quote - (nezermundy said @ #2)
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


You're right. But because FF is standards non-compliant, the more this plague spreads the more it slows down data-driven innovations in web. When FF was 2% I could happily make my standards-based XML web sites and not mind FF's proprietary plague. Now I cannot. Bye-bye innovation.
#2.4 XP1 on 17 Jul 2007 - 04:31
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Quote - (nezermundy said @ #2)
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


You're right. But because FF is standards non-compliant, the more this plague spreads the more it slows down data-driven innovations in web. When FF was 2% I could happily make my standards-based XML web sites and not mind FF's proprietary plague. Now I cannot. Bye-bye innovation.
I feel your pain.
#2.5 Fourjays on 17 Jul 2007 - 10:03
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Quote - (nezermundy said @ #2)
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


You're right. But because FF is standards non-compliant, the more this plague spreads the more it slows down data-driven innovations in web. When FF was 2% I could happily make my standards-based XML web sites and not mind FF's proprietary plague. Now I cannot. Bye-bye innovation.


Huh? FF isn't perfect, but it's a lot more standards compliant than IE6, which is what the majority would have been using when FF was at 2%.
#2.6 yakumo on 17 Jul 2007 - 11:08
Quote - (RealFduch said @ #2.2)
Quote - (nezermundy said @ #2)
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Monopoly leads to lack of innovation.


You're right. But because FF is standards non-compliant, the more this plague spreads the more it slows down data-driven innovations in web. When FF was 2% I could happily make my standards-based XML web sites and not mind FF's proprietary plague. Now I cannot. Bye-bye innovation.



http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-summary

looks to me like it's the most standards compliant (win) browser out there, opera a close second.

safari has major problems before people start throwing that in, and firefox 3 alphas pass the acid2 test for those that care about that.
(5 replies) #3 magik on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:47
Kudos! I just wish they could plug those darn memory leaks.
#3.1 +Berserk87 on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:53
thats a feature
#3.2 vetmarkjensen on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:54
True. I like the marketshare increase, but the folks at Mozilla need to keep up the work. This is what competition is about.
#3.3 +acxz on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:55
Yeah, it's a feature, but with a little tweaking you can switch it off and sort out the memory problems.

Hopefully FF 3.0 will reduce the memory it needs though.
#3.4 Croquant on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:01
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Kudos! I just wish they could plug those darn memory leaks.

It's not a memory leak, it's just caching your web pages in memory so they can be reloaded faster.
#3.5 Septimus on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:51
FF3 doesn't fix it so far in the current builds.

Opera manages it without using a shed load of memory.
#4 +Berserk87 on 16 Jul 2007 - 20:56
its cool how popular this open source software is becoming.
firefox almost has a 30% market share, and now linux distros like ubunto are becoming increasingly popular.
#5 +Orange on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:13
Still using Firefox and been using it for years now Will never go back to IE.
(1 reply) #6 Samboini on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:20
I never know who to believe when reading things like this as it seems every browser sees 'increased market share' depending who the source is!
#6.1 XP1 on 17 Jul 2007 - 04:34
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I never know who to believe when reading things like this as it seems every browser sees 'increased market share' depending who the source is!
Seems like more people are starting to experiment with multiple alternative browsers.
(1 reply) #7 MioTheGreat on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:42
Now.

Just get it to look good on Vista, and implemented a protected mode....
#7.1 Septimus on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:54
Wow, someone who agrees... I never knew.
(2 replies) #8 eilegz on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:43
using firefox the extensions its a good plus, i could make a browser have features that others browsers got like fission, showcase, speed dial, safari inline search among others things
#8.1 XP1 on 17 Jul 2007 - 04:37
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using firefox the extensions its a good plus, i could make a browser have features that others browsers got like fission, showcase, speed dial, safari inline search among others things
Having more than several extensions may slow down Firefox and ruin the browsing experience.
#8.2 eilegz on 17 Jul 2007 - 05:15
yeah thats a cons of this but i got used to it, i mean i used to use netscape 4.7 and old mozilla suite which its very slow in loading but it was stable.

now ie7 for xp it feel sluggish (but in vista it run very fast)
#9 shift4 on 16 Jul 2007 - 21:47
Actually, if anyone was around and remembers... I think IE6 was said to be the last release. lol
(5 replies) #10 EduardValencia on 16 Jul 2007 - 23:02
Well that's good news for Mozilla fanboys

But those news doesen't trurn me to firefox ,my main browser still is IE7,don't need more
#10.1 tx83 on 16 Jul 2007 - 23:23
This is your choice,... and browser competition brings more choice.

So this is the best thing that can happen. People really have the choice. People are really free.
#10.2 RealFduch on 17 Jul 2007 - 01:55
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This is your choice,... and browser competition brings more choice.

Too bad that FF is killing the new generation XML standards-based web. Just like IE did with HTML in the old days.
#10.3 freaknmd on 17 Jul 2007 - 02:40
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Too bad that FF is killing the new generation XML standards-based web. Just like IE did with HTML in the old days.


Care to elaborate?
#10.4 XerXis on 17 Jul 2007 - 07:36
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Quote - (tx83 said @ #10.1)
This is your choice,... and browser competition brings more choice.

Too bad that FF is killing the new generation XML standards-based web. Just like IE did with HTML in the old days.


as far as I know both FF and IE are pretty good at xml/xsl, don't know what you are talking about
#10.5 Synthetic on 17 Jul 2007 - 17:58
Don't bother with RealFduch, that's the second time he said that here and he refuses to back it up. Probably just an Opera fanboy...
#11 +xan K on 17 Jul 2007 - 01:09
FF is the best! once I tried it I've never gone back. I like flexibility and FF gives you just that with their extensions.
#12 cork1958 on 17 Jul 2007 - 03:02
Ugh! It's a browser. Competition is good. Not my favorite browser though. In fact, it's my least favorite.

But, to each his own and whatever floats your boat!!
(1 reply) #13 david13lt on 17 Jul 2007 - 03:45
After working as web developer for almost two month. I hate IE 6 (completely) and IE 7 (By 95 per cents). From this list: Safari/Opera/FireFox/IE, we could remove only IE.

That's all I want to say. And the competition like always, makes more options. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad, in this case it's more good than bad thing.
#13.1 LaXu on 17 Jul 2007 - 21:25
I completely agree. I'm honestly thinking of totally stopping any support for IE6. In fact I will do that when I upgrade to Vista (and IE7). On any website I make after that IE6 users will just get a "sod off and get a better browser" message. I'm totally tired of writing fixes and hacks for that POS.

IE7 desperately needs improvements too. I would kill for decent Javascript error messages. "Syntax error" on non-existing line 1 character 36 is pretty annoying to track.
#14 soldier1st on 17 Jul 2007 - 03:51
firefox and opera are both awesome but ie stinks,safari is getting there but it needs the ability to change the ugly skin to something with more color like what firefox can do.true the firefox memory usage is huge but if you got tons of memory lowering it helps,that memory=caching thing doesent make sense,maybe in v3 it will,opera is very good with resources,ie is terrible if i could remove ie i would but i cant without crippling windows.
#15 Trong on 17 Jul 2007 - 06:23
Hmm. I'm using IE7, my favorite browser, but Firefox is nice too. Maybe I'll switch back to Firefox when version 3 comes out.
#16 +Matrix XII on 17 Jul 2007 - 08:06
Not a big fan of the interface of IE7, just lovin FF though (and Opera is good too)
(1 reply) #17 justlooking on 17 Jul 2007 - 08:15
It doesn't matter much at all. There was a time when Netscape had a 95% share, big deal. I like FF, but wow, I have to hit refresh alot because the pages don't always fill.
#17.1 Croquant on 17 Jul 2007 - 10:03
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It doesn't matter much at all. There was a time when Netscape had a 95% share, big deal. I like FF, but wow, I have to hit refresh alot because the pages don't always fill.

That's probably more a problem with your ISP or with the websites ypu're trying to load. I've never had a real problem with FF.
(1 reply) #18 ahhell on 17 Jul 2007 - 10:30
Who cares!!!

Do we seriously need to keep reposting the same story over and over and over.
We get it Firefox good, IE bad.

Give it a rest.
#18.1 SHADOW-XIII on 17 Jul 2007 - 13:53
lol, you are funny, before Firefox era, if there would be message "there is a hole/exploit in IE" ... plenty of people would start topic or post message about "IE sucks, use Firefox, it's very secure and other blah blah blah"
now the same happens to Firefox, but it seems that Firefox users are as blind as IE users were in the past ...

IE: more evil
Firefox: less evil
Opera: no evil ... choose yourself
(2 replies) #19 Kuja on 17 Jul 2007 - 10:55
I love all 3 browsers, but firefox has the insane edge with extensions and the simplicity of using them + downloading them. That and the extreme amount of them. Opera has the awesome Speed Dial page, Firefox has Adblock Plus and a few killer others, and IE.... well, loading speed and memory usage and I kinda like its proffesionality and look. Opera uses the least amount of ram on my comp, second with IE, and then ffox eating insane amounts of ram. I end up using firefox 90%, only because of pretty much adblock plus and it supporting some sites that opera doesn't.
#19.1 LaXu on 17 Jul 2007 - 21:32
IE memory usage probably doesn't show the common components loaded on Windows startup though so in reality it could be higher. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I wish Opera had adopted add-ons similar to Firefox instead of going with the awkward widgets. The ad blocker in Opera could also use some work. It's a good idea (allowing you to click what you want to block instead of right clicking on every ad and editing the rule) but the problem is that it doesn't seem to work with things like iframes, flash ads etc. Hopefully the upcoming 9.5 version will bring improvements in this area, considering it's supposed to be a UI/feature improvement type thing instead of just bug- and compatibility fixes.
#19.2 XerXis on 17 Jul 2007 - 22:39
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IE memory usage probably doesn't show the common components loaded on Windows startup though so in reality it could be higher. Correct me if I'm wrong.


yes you are wrong, as of ie7 the windows shell (explorer) and internet explorer are two completely different things. All the controls IE uses must be loaded into it's process space and therefore show up when you look at the memory usage
#20 MORGiON on 17 Jul 2007 - 11:57
Prehaps the increase is because of all the naughty VLK users can't install IE7.

Last edited by MORGiON on 17 Jul 2007 - 12:28

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