EU to rule on Microsoft appeal Sept. 17
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 18 July 2007 - 10:18 · 29 comments & 6153 views
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#1 Posted by NimrodUK on 18 Jul 2007 - 10:25
- and Microsoft will end up losing, and we will all be stuck with higher prices and less features in Vista
yay for European Commision, fighting for the consumer at every cornor.... -
#1.1 Posted by Salgoth on 18 Jul 2007 - 10:57
- Quote - (NimrodUK said @ #1)and Microsoft will end up losing, and we will all be stuck with higher prices and less features in Vista
yay for European Commision, fighting for the consumer at every cornor....
Sorry to disagree. New "feature" choices should be left to the consumer - not pushed by the manufacturer. Every new "feature" added is just another attack vector for those seeking to compromise a system - worse yet when that "feature" is integrated at the OS level.
Let the consumer choose what they want - just imagine how much faster Windows would run minus a whole lot of value-added "feature" we've been given over the years! -
#1.2 Posted by mprobins on 18 Jul 2007 - 11:52
- Quote - (Salgoth said @ #1.1)Quote - (NimrodUK said @ #1)and Microsoft will end up losing, and we will all be stuck with higher prices and less features in Vista
yay for European Commision, fighting for the consumer at every cornor....
Sorry to disagree. New "feature" choices should be left to the consumer - not pushed by the manufacturer. Every new "feature" added is just another attack vector for those seeking to compromise a system - worse yet when that "feature" is integrated at the OS level.
Let the consumer choose what they want - just imagine how much faster Windows would run minus a whole lot of value-added "feature" we've been given over the years!
Yes, I too long for the days where actually getting a computer into a usable state required the purchase of dozens of applicaitons and hours of additional work after an install to get everything up and running. Somehow I suspect you forget what it was like back in the Win311 days... -
#1.4 Posted by RealFduch on 18 Jul 2007 - 13:22
- Quote - (Salgoth said @ #1.1)Sorry to disagree. New "feature" choices should be left to the consumer - not pushed by the manufacturer. Every new "feature" added is just another attack vector for those seeking to compromise a system - worse yet when that "feature" is integrated at the OS level.
Let the consumer choose what they want - just imagine how much faster Windows would run minus a whole lot of value-added "feature" we've been given over the years!
Please provide us photo of your copy of Windows XP N.
or GTFO -
#1.5 Posted by nekrosoft13 on 18 Jul 2007 - 15:27
- Quote - (Xirgo said @ #1.3)There's always a solution to that one, get a Mac
stick that crap where sun don't shine -
#1.6 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 18 Jul 2007 - 23:24
- Quote - (NimrodUK said @ #1)yay for European Commision, fighting for the consumer at every cornor....
And what happens if the EC does nothing? We end up with Microsoft having full control over the industry with no effective competition - that means they can charge whatever prices they want and put in whatever "features" they want, whether good for the consumer or not. Considering Windows is run on 95% of computers and used by virtually all businesses in the western world the implications are VERY serious. When you read about all the dodgy practices with OEMs and see all the smear campaigns against Linux it makes you realise how aggressive Microsoft has been to get to the position they're in now - they're not some innocent company being penalised for popular a great product. The EC has an obligation to protect the consumer - this is what is appears to be doing. Don't forget that they might find Microsoft innocent.
This isn't about cutting features - it's about letting other companies compete fairly. -
#1.7 Posted by +Octol on 19 Jul 2007 - 04:16
- Quote - (Salgoth said @ #1.1)Let the consumer choose what they want - just imagine how much faster Windows would run minus a whole lot of value-added "feature" we've been given over the years!
Yes, I really hate how all those programs that aren't running use up your resources and slow your system down. -
#1.8 Posted by +Octol on 19 Jul 2007 - 04:18
- Quote - (Salgoth said @ #1.1)Let the consumer choose what they want - just imagine how much faster Windows would run minus a whole lot of value-added "feature" we've been given over the years!
Yes, I really hate how all those programs use up your resources and slow your system down – even though most of them aren't loaded into memory until you actually use them.
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#2 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 18 Jul 2007 - 11:19
- **** you, Microsoft!
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#3 Posted by SimplyPotatoes on 18 Jul 2007 - 12:35
- This is awfully close to the next US terrorist attack.
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#3.1 Posted by
neufuse on 18 Jul 2007 - 15:14
- Quote - (SimplyPotatoes said @ #3)This is awfully close to the next US terrorist attack.
huh? and you'd know this how? -
#3.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 18 Jul 2007 - 17:56
- Quote - (neufuse said @ #3.1)Quote - (SimplyPotatoes said @ #3)This is awfully close to the next US terrorist attack.
huh? and you'd know this how?
Because the Dept. of Homeland Security Gut-O-Meter is up to Gutlevel "I'm Almost Positive"
Don't you watch Colbert?
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#4 Posted by HDW-mobile on 18 Jul 2007 - 12:41
- that will be my birthday (09-17)... the day of....lol....
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#5 Posted by MvT Cracker on 18 Jul 2007 - 12:49
- well next they will go after apple for bundling its own media player and nero for all of its garbage addons
They are just as bad as the RIAA
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#6 Posted by MvT Cracker on 18 Jul 2007 - 12:58
- The U.S. couldn't even get rid of Saddam Hussein. And we all know that the EU is just a passing fad. They'll be killing each other again in less than a year. I'm sick to death of all these fascist lawsuits.
Bill Gates
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#6.1 Posted by ichi on 18 Jul 2007 - 13:06
- Quote -I'm sick to death of all these fascist lawsuits
lol cry me a river. -
#6.2 Posted by jwjw1 on 18 Jul 2007 - 13:34
- hmmm the last i knew...Saddam was captured in a spider hole and later swinging from the end of a rope.
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#6.3 Posted by MvT Cracker on 18 Jul 2007 - 20:15
- Quote - (jwjw1 said @ #6.2)hmmm the last i knew...Saddam was captured in a spider hole and later swinging from the end of a rope.
it was an old quote but one of my favs
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#7 Posted by buletov on 18 Jul 2007 - 13:25
- The point is that EU is trying to protect interests of it's own countries. Dependence on one dominant US company is definitely not in the interest of the union. For years they are asking Microsoft to provide equal chance to everyone and to make their systems inter-operable, to merely provide a specification. Microsoft has always been very keen in hiding some important facts that are needed for their competitors to be able to provide inter-operable solutions, also as it started to bundle more and more applications into the core operating system, lately even without giving a user a chance during the installation of the OS whether he actually wants all that. Not to mention how their OS ignores boot loaders from the other vendors and simply overwrites it with it's own.
But some of you MacDonald's earthing thuds obviously don't understand some things, any know only about Microsoft. The fact that almost everything they do is based on a stolen idea from someone else doesn't matter to you. -
#7.1 Posted by MrCobra on 18 Jul 2007 - 15:49
- Quote - (buletov said @ #7)For years they are asking Microsoft to provide equal chance to everyone and to make their systems inter-operable, to merely provide a specification.
Microsoft shouldn't HAVE to supply anything. The EU wants the source to Windows and all external protocols opened up to those (competition) that wants it. I'd like to see how you'd feel if you spent millions or billions developing something only to be told that you have to open it up to your competition. Remember the days when companies would actually compete to get business? Now all they can do is whine and cry that they can't make apps worth a damn and claim it's because of a monopolistic company.Quote -lately even without giving a user a chance during the installation of the OS whether he actually wants all that.
I do agree. There should be options to pick what is or isn't installed. IMO, the kernel, graphics, sound, input/output and networking should be all that it's installed as a default. -
#7.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 18 Jul 2007 - 17:57
- Quote - (MrCobra said @ #7.1)I do agree. There should be options to pick what is or isn't installed. IMO, the kernel, graphics, sound, input/output and networking should be all that it's installed as a default.
That would leave a relatively useless computer for most people. "Default" is what everyone clicks. -
#7.3 Posted by jwjw1 on 18 Jul 2007 - 19:35
- The point is that EU is trying to protect interests of it's own countries. Dependence on one dominant US company is definitely not in the interest of the union. For years they are asking Microsoft to provide equal chance to everyone
i didn't know there was a OS being developed in the UK...is there a link?.....google came up blank. -
#7.4 Posted by MvT Cracker on 18 Jul 2007 - 19:37
- Quote - (buletov said @ #7)The point is that EU is trying to protect interests of it's own countries. Dependence on one dominant US company is definitely not in the interest of the union. For years they are asking Microsoft to provide equal chance to everyone and to make their systems inter-operable, to merely provide a specification. Microsoft has always been very keen in hiding some important facts that are needed for their competitors to be able to provide inter-operable solutions, also as it started to bundle more and more applications into the core operating system, lately even without giving a user a chance during the installation of the OS whether he actually wants all that. Not to mention how their OS ignores boot loaders from the other vendors and simply overwrites it with it's own.
But some of you MacDonald's earthing thuds obviously don't understand some things, any know only about Microsoft. The fact that almost everything they do is based on a stolen idea from someone else doesn't matter to you.
wma files work in other media players and wma is a great standard wmp can be uninstalled and you can install anything you like I don't see the problem
why the **** would I want a linux system to mess with windows files that are needed to boot linux could prevent windows from booting and thats anti competetive and why can't they make their own independent boot system
And microsoft is not about greed they spent billions to make vista and only charge a few hundred dollars
Microsoft Provides Jobs somethings thats needed unlike open source
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#7.5 Posted by ichi on 18 Jul 2007 - 20:47
- Quote - (MvT Cracker said @ #7.4)why the **** would I want a linux system to mess with windows files that are needed to boot linux could prevent windows from booting and thats anti competetive and why can't they make their own independent boot system
wtf are you talking about: it's windows' boot loader which overwrites other boot loaders, and just ignores other installed operating systems.Quote - (MvT Cracker said @ #7.4)And microsoft is not about greed they spent billions to make vista and only charge a few hundred dollars
Now that's funny... do you really mean to say they should charge like, say a billion per license?
Quote - (MvT Cracker said @ #7.4)Microsoft Provides Jobs somethings thats needed unlike open source
Tell that to those working at RedHat, HP, Cisco, Sun, Novell, IBM...
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#7.6 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 18 Jul 2007 - 23:28
- Quote - (ichi said @ #7.5)wtf are you talking about: it's windows' boot loader which overwrites other boot loaders, and just ignores other installed operating systems.
Indeed, and the Vista bootloader doesn't even work properly with XP installs - with XP and Vista on different partitions it ends up only booting if you have the Vista disc in, which is pretty useless. How the hell did Vista get past quality control? -
#7.7 Posted by FrozenSpoon on 19 Jul 2007 - 01:45
- Quote - (theyarecomingforyou said @ #7.6)Indeed, and the Vista bootloader doesn't even work properly with XP installs - with XP and Vista on different partitions it ends up only booting if you have the Vista disc in, which is pretty useless. How the hell did Vista get past quality control?Wow, I so don't have that problem.
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#7.8 Posted by +vlsi0n on 19 Jul 2007 - 04:35
- Quote - (theyarecomingforyou said @ #7.6)Quote - (ichi said @ #7.5)wtf are you talking about: it's windows' boot loader which overwrites other boot loaders, and just ignores other installed operating systems.
Indeed, and the Vista bootloader doesn't even work properly with XP installs - with XP and Vista on different partitions it ends up only booting if you have the Vista disc in, which is pretty useless. How the hell did Vista get past quality control?
Ummm or not. I can tell you that is not true because I currently run Xp and Vista just fine. Although I'm getting rid of the XP, keeping Vista, and adding Ubuntu.
By bundling Windows Media Player, its audio and video playing software, into Windows, Microsoft competed unfairly against rivals such as RealNetworks and Apple, the Commission ruled. And by failing to share technical information about how to interoperate with Windows PCs, Microsoft managed to steal a march in the market for low-end server operating systems. Microsoft appealed both threads of that ruling, and in April last year the court held a three-day hearing at which the Commission and Microsoft, together with their respective software industry allies, tried to convince the judges of their arguments.