Pirate Downloads at All Time High and Set to Rise
Posted by Lt-DavidW on 30 July 2007 - 21:35 · 41 comments & 15986 views
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#1 Posted by n3urotic on 30 Jul 2007 - 21:47
- Good.
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#1.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:03
- +1
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#2 Posted by webeagle12 on 30 Jul 2007 - 21:48
- RIAA and MPAA must be in shocked
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#3 Posted by *John* on 30 Jul 2007 - 21:56
- Well it's their own stupid fault.
Torrents have 100% fast and easy availability, yet you can't always get the stuff you want legally, particularly as far as movies/tv episodes are concerned.
It's ridiculous. For example, it's impossible to buy TV episodes or whole series to download in the UK. Therefore, it's torrents, video sharing sites like YouTube or nothing.
They are failing the consumer. -
#3.1 Posted by joeydoo on 30 Jul 2007 - 22:01
- I wonder since the BBC brought up Heroes that means that the British TV owning public have essentially paid for it directly. Normally advertisers need to be taken into account as a "losing party", but the BBC don't have advertisers.
Therefore it's ok to download....
Just thought I would throw that out there.
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#3.2 Posted by +Lt-DavidW on 30 Jul 2007 - 22:28
- Quote - (joeydoo said @ #3.1)I wonder since the BBC brought up Heroes that means that the British TV owning public have essentially paid for it directly. Normally advertisers need to be taken into account as a "losing party", but the BBC don't have advertisers.
Therefore it's ok to download....
Just thought I would throw that out there.
The BBC still need our ratings to justify the cost of quality dramas. -
#3.3 Posted by joeydoo on 31 Jul 2007 - 00:33
- Quote - (Lt-DavidW said @ #3.2)Quote - (joeydoo said @ #3.1)I wonder since the BBC brought up Heroes that means that the British TV owning public have essentially paid for it directly. Normally advertisers need to be taken into account as a "losing party", but the BBC don't have advertisers.
Therefore it's ok to download....
Just thought I would throw that out there.
The BBC still need our ratings to justify the cost of quality dramas.
Do you have a rating box? Because I don't. People who do have viewing tracking boxes should think about... but it makes no difference to the rest of us.
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#4 Posted by betasp on 30 Jul 2007 - 22:00
- 1. Promote the crack down on illegal music downloads
2. More people learn that you can download music illegally
3. ???
4. Profit
PS. The more that do it decreases the likely hood of one person getting caught. -
#4.1 Posted by +Shadrack on 31 Jul 2007 - 00:43
- In the short run... but corporate outcry may start getting more government attention especially if they can show that it is getting worse. Once the government is involved the "war on piracy" could become as big as long and as pointless as the "war on drugs."
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#4.2 Posted by RAID 0 on 31 Jul 2007 - 17:52
- Quote - (Shadrack said @ #4.1)In the short run... but corporate outcry may start getting more government attention especially if they can show that it is getting worse. Once the government is involved the "war on piracy" could become as big as long and as pointless as the "war on drugs."
Agreed
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#6 Posted by jwjw1 on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:05
- its no wonder when the RIAA morons stoop so low as to claim copyrights violations at YOUTUBE because some 3yr old is dancing to some unrecognizible song playing in the background...later to be 'Purple *** Prince'
Go Pirates---Beat RIAA
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#7 Posted by *John* on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:23
- I feel this is appropriate given the content: http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
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#8 Posted by +QuantumTrickery on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:24
- Oh, soon we'll have people saying they pirate because music and movies are sooo expensive. Or they are fighting "the man" Or any of a dozen other BS excuses.
Face it. You are cheap, and you can get away with it. -
#8.1 Posted by *John* on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:33
- Quote - (QuantumTrickery said @ #Oh, soon we'll have people saying they pirate because music and movies are sooo expensive. Or they are fighting "the man" Or any of a dozen other BS excuses.
Face it. You are cheap, and you can get away with it.
Yep, it's that simple, CASE CLOSED.
Um, no. There are lots of reasons, availability being an important one, as well as price. Right now content providers are failing at making their media available legally.
In the UK there is currently no legal way to buy movies or TV Shows online and download them to your PC. Is it reasonable to say that EVERY ONE OF THOSE is cheap? Or are they simply getting something that they can't any other way. After all, the consumer will never go without when there is a reasonable alternative, and that's a fact.
The copyright holders are failing the consumer, and then going after them for piracy when they themselves refuse to provide a legal alternative. It's idiocy. -
#8.3 Posted by jwjw1 on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:36
- don't be calling the kettle black....teapot!
**you can spot the ones that still have mom and dad buying their music and toys** -
#8.5 Posted by betasp on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:47
- Darn straight. It is called Capitalism. The market bears what the people will pay. People are often more willing to violate copywrite laws than to pay more than perceived value. If the industry cannot find a way to meet the markets price demands, and iTunes and AllOfMP3 are both examples of people willing to pay something for the product, then that industry will go bust.
How 'bout make the art for expression and count your blessing anyone is willing to pay a dime for it. -
#8.6 Posted by +Shadrack on 31 Jul 2007 - 00:46
- Quote - (jwjw1 said @ #8.3)don't be calling the kettle black....teapot!
**you can spot the ones that still have mom and dad buying their music and toys**
...or the people who have worked hard for their money and can pay for the art and entertainment they consume. -
#8.7 Posted by velichk on 07 Aug 2007 - 01:06
- There are many internationally based web sites like Allofmp3 which offers music download service, and are continually coming under pressure from other countries to shut down. i know more 19 store or service that provides the best digital music experience at lens http://www.squidoo.com/review_russianmp3site .
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#9 Posted by jwjw1 on 30 Jul 2007 - 23:57
- no matter what price you come up with....there is always going to be someone who has to steal,scam,cheat....its just fact that there are people who enjoy being the waste cesspool of life.
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#9.1 Posted by *John* on 31 Jul 2007 - 00:03
- Quote - (jwjw1 said @ #9)no matter what price you come up with....there is always going to be someone who has to steal,scam,cheat....its just fact that there are people who enjoy being the waste cesspool of life.
Of course. Yet it is worth remembering that both availability and price are a factor, and that the consumer will choose a reasonable alternative if they want something, they will not go without. Right now, downloading a song or movie that you either cannot get any other way, or cant afford is reasonable to them.
I find it ridiculous that they will try and nail people who download tv show episodes, yet they refuse to provide a legal alternative. -
#9.2 Posted by ThaCrip on 31 Jul 2007 - 02:20
- Quote - (jwjw1 said @ #9)no matter what price you come up with....there is always going to be someone who has to steal,scam,cheat....its just fact that there are people who enjoy being the waste cesspool of life.
of course there is ... cause "free" beats "paying money"... it's just human nature, if they can get something for free with little risk of getting caught... "most people" will take the stuff thats free. ... cause it being free means they have that much more money to spend on something else
and it aint like the RIAA/MPAA are poor either
p.s. i dont think there a waste of life either for people who do that sort of stuff.
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#10 Posted by lnxpro on 31 Jul 2007 - 01:02
- when they will sell the music i like in stores for $2.99 a CD. i'll go and buy it. even as high as $9.99 maybe if it's really good stuff and it's a 2 part CD or something. But paying $30 - $60 for imported CDs from europe here in the US is just outrageous.
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#11 Posted by obsolete_power on 31 Jul 2007 - 01:15
- Very good, this is what should be. We as people deserve free things once in awhile. Nothing in life is free so you have to steal in order to get free things.
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#12 Posted by KZWings on 31 Jul 2007 - 02:02
- I'm not going to say whether i condone this or not, but how many people who illegally download music/movies/software/etc.....would have otherwise actually have purchased it?
Yeah, probably not as much as these reports say.
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#13 Posted by JiveMasterT on 31 Jul 2007 - 02:06
- Anyone notice how popular media piracy after the RIAA started going after people and Metallica made a big deal about it?
Boom! Shot in the foot!
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#15 Posted by cooljerk_dv on 31 Jul 2007 - 03:21
- why . . it is the extremely quick availability of any media at my finger tips.
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#16 Posted by +Berserk87 on 31 Jul 2007 - 06:12
- there is enough free/open source software out there, that i can get what i need for free with the same features, i used to download a lot, now...not so much.
mostly episodes of shows i watch, then i stream them to my tv with my xbox.
cut out the middle man, so the artists make 70% of the song cost instead of 10% they make now, the other 30% would go to the company selling the music, it would also make the songs cheaper.
make it 50 cents a song, the artist gets 40 cents, itunes gets 10 cents.
right now the song sells for 99 cents each, the artist gets something like 10 cents per song, and the company there working with takes 89 cents.
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#17 Posted by Iridium on 31 Jul 2007 - 06:31
- Seriously i wouldn't mind watching tv shows with adds in them from bit torrent so that money can be made. Its just that Americans, Canadians and the British get all the good deals - tv shows first, free online tv show viewing. Here in Australia we have to wait like a year for tv shows to get broadcasted and there are no free net tv shows for us.
To be honest i hope that torrent rapes these people until they start giving me as a consumer a choice. This is competition the likes of which the monopolistic film and tv industry has ever seen.
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#17.1 Posted by MrCobra on 31 Jul 2007 - 07:48
- Quote - (Iridium said @ #17)To be honest i hope that torrent rapes these people until they start giving me as a consumer a choice. This is competition the likes of which the monopolistic film and tv industry has ever seen.
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#17.2 Posted by smeagollum on 31 Jul 2007 - 09:14
- Quote - (Iridium said @ #17)Seriously i wouldn't mind watching tv shows with adds in them from bit torrent so that money can be made. Its just that Americans, Canadians and the British get all the good deals - tv shows first, free online tv show viewing. Here in Australia we have to wait like a year for tv shows to get broadcasted and there are no free net tv shows for us.
To be honest i hope that torrent rapes these people until they start giving me as a consumer a choice. This is competition the likes of which the monopolistic film and tv industry has ever seen.
Exactly the same here in switzerland but even worse: We have to wait for a really crappy german synchronization
So you have to wait for the (expensive) DVD.
Here in switzerland they're gonna broadcast the series with 2 channel audio (GER/ENG)... Thanks for this, but the episodes are still several years old
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#18 Posted by Matt Jay on 31 Jul 2007 - 07:43
- The best option right now is iTunes. One thing Apple is good at... Entertainment and Productivity. One day iPods and iPhones will take over the world! Of course they will compete againest pirates...
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#18.1 Posted by kickenchicken360 on 31 Jul 2007 - 08:43
- Quote - (Matt Jay said @ #1The best option right now is iTunes. One thing Apple is good at... Entertainment and Productivity. One day iPods and iPhones will take over the world! Of course they will compete againest pirates...
and that day my friend would be the day when i would no longer use an mp3 player, unless it has what i want, but i doubt it
agree with a lot of posts above.
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#19 Posted by miguel_montes on 31 Jul 2007 - 09:11
- Downloading things off the web isn't stealing! It's more like cloning.
It's like taking a car for a test drive, making an exact copy of it, but then returning it to the stand. I didn't steal the car, the car itself is still there.
I download stuff with emule all the time, movies that only come out in my country months after, tv shows that never aired here... If I like what I download, I tend to buy it. One example is the TV show "Firefly"... I've heard good things about it, downloaded it, liked it so much that even bought it online from Amazon UK (in my country the DVD's weren't for sale). I ended up going to see "Serenity" at the movies and purchased the DVD as well (yup, I'm a full-fledged "Browncoat".
So, I guess in the end the movie companies made money out of me and out of the so-called "piracy"...
If anything, piracy acts as filter for quality. If I see something that I like, I go buy it. If I don't like, I delete it from my drive.
Its fourth annual Digital Music Survey, a poll of 1,700 people, suggests illegal music buying is widespread, with 43% claiming that they are illegally downloading tracks, rising from 36% last year and 40% in 2005. This year only 33% cited the risk of being prosecuted as a deterrent against unauthorized downloading, compared with 42% in 2006. The findings also show that nearly one in five respondents - 18% - claimed an intention to download more unauthorized tracks, up from 8% in 2006.