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Whatever your contract with AT&T comes to. The battery should only START to show signs of degraded performance after 400 FULL charges. So, I think with average usage (draining say 30% of the battery each day), it will still be charging to 80% of it's original charge for about 1200 days = over 3 years. Even with heavy usage, draining the battery completely every day, you might get it down to 80% in a year, but its still usable after that...

Um.... other cell phone providers allow you to walk into a store, buy a new battery, and replace it right there within a matter of 5 minutes, all for like $40 bucks.

You don't think a customer should know that they will have to spend $80 and be without their phone for at least a week, or spend $100 to get a temp phone? Umm.... yeah, they should probably know that.

Apple "thinks different"? That's your excuse for them ripping people off? That's the biggest load of crap that I've ever heard. They do it so they can make more money. They could have had the same exact phone, just added a removable back door and some clips for a battery holder. Lets be serious. Name one other phone that doesn't have a removable battery.

Please, for the love of God, get off Apple's nuts.

Well look at all the other phones. You can easily take out the battery and replace it. Walk into a place and around the phones there's usually batteries so you can easily see how much they are if you happen to need an extra one or a replacement for a bad one. New battery for my phone is only $20.00.

Can't walk into a store and do that with the iPhone now can you?

I usually carry an extra cell battery with me incase mine dies and I have no way of charging it or incase it breaks. If I had an iPhone I couldn't do that. Battery screws up and you're screwed because you'll probably have to send it off and get a new one.

Having it enclosed like it is makes it look good, but it's really not needed.

Once again, the seas part, the heavens open, and C_Guy and I actually agree. I think we're headed for a record.

Apple "thinks different". That's why iPhone batteries are so costly to replace and that's why iTune tracks only work on iPod. This is in their right. And if the consumer is deciding where to spend their money it is their responsibility to get the information. As long as Apple has the information available they haven't done anything wrong.


Done.

Nemo, if you think I am on Apple's "nuts" you must be new here so welcome. And thank you for demonstrating how EASY it is for consumers to do their own darn research. How long did it take you to figure that out, a couple minutes? Do you think it's too difficult for the "average" consumer to do that?

Yes, a consumer should know how much time and money it takes to replace a battery so I guess they better do their homework!!!!

Now, you seem to be a consumer who THINKS before they buy their product. And you're probably right, some of Apple's tactics (like iTunes only playing on iPod) are done on purpose to better Apple's presence in the market and ultimately, earn them more money. Just so you know, that's what businesses do: They make profits. I don't agree with it and I don't have an iPod. But in a free country Apple sure does have the right to make their product that way if they want to. And it's not like they hide this fact about iTunes. Just like they don't hide facts about their battery replacement.

Un-informed consumers need to take responsibility for the dollars they spend by taking a few minutes to research and answer their questions before throwing hundreds of dollars at the latest "in" product just because it's "cool". If battery replacement is an issue they should ask, not assume.

LTD: I'm as shocked as you! Oh wait a sec... I'm typing this on an iMac at work. Now you're probably more shocked than me ha ha.

Of course, it is their right to make the battery not user-replaceable in order to make more money.
However, it is definitely their fault that they did not announce the $86 replacement program until a few days after the phone went on sale.
Moreover, almost all other phones have user-replaceable battery and the cost is much lower than $86.
It is like you are selling a car that you cannot change your oil yourself or by third parties and you did not clearly mention it beforehand.
It is definitely understandable that people expect it is user-replaceable.
I don't think customers are to blame for not doing homework in this case.
And the fact that Apple did not announce the replacement program before selling the phones is a very strong point in the court for this law suit.

This isn't the first mobile phone though is it?

Hey do you remeber those first 1mb hard discs? Wow they cost a lot too, the iPhone with its 4GB solid state is a bargain!

not everybody sits on tech forums like us and knows these things, or at least has someone like us to tell them these things...

Actually, you can't replace the MX1000's battery without wrecking the mouse. For one thing, the screws the hold the mouse together are covered by the mouse feet. For another, the battery is held in a bracket that you have to break open to get the battery out. But I don't care: I bought my MX1000 back in 2004 and when it died earlier this year (the bettery is still fine, just the mouse died) I called Logitech sent me a new one for free. It's a hidden warranty. Shussh, don't tell anyone.

It looks like you have a $75K a year job

How is it fair? 99.9% Of the cell phone designs out there use a replaceable battery design that the end user can replace at will. usually for under $40... come along the iPhone and now you can't replace your battery.... but ontop of that have to rent a phone and send back your new phone to be replaced with a refurbished one!

do you forget about not having your phone for a week? F THAT

If they can afford the iPhone, then they should be able to afford the battery replacement fee. If they were strapped for cash they had no business buying a $499 or $599 phone to begin with.

AMEN!

If they can afford it so much, then why even pay to have a battery replaced just to get a refurbished phone? Heck I can afford it, and I still wouldn't want a refurbished phone nor pay that much for a new battery.... but then again... I wouldn't pay $600 for a phone either...

If you can't afford to buy into the Apple Experience, that's your problem.

You're rambling. Top-tier, premium items have their market.

Who the **** are you to criticize that market and what that particular demographic chooses to buy?

I don't know what to say to you. Maybe get a better ****ing job, so you can buy all that so-called "crap" you don't really need.

Everyone bitches and moans about luxuries and gadgets . . . until they can afford them.

And you are rambling as well. Most people who buy a "Top-tier, premium item" generally EXPECT a higher level of service and a higher level of product. The battery issue here seems to contradict the latter part. Look at Dell and their XPS line. You pay more but they offer (supposedly! a higher level of service after the sale, which I would expect for their "premium" line. This really has little to do with affording the Apple experience.

Would you honestly like to own a Porsche and get crappy darn service or a crappy product for that price?

I dont own a iphone, not because i cant afford it, but because i know its not worth what its tagged. And its true, that people buy too much crap they dont need. Hell, most people in texas own a SUV or Truck, but they dont use them for work, hauling huge loads, or going off road. They use them to go from home to the store, the store to the bank, and back home. A fool and their money are soon parted. Just because I have the money, doesnt mean I should buy it. I look at what features it offers, how it will benefit my life, how much i might use it, and then decide if the price justifies all of that.
"Who the **** are you to criticize that market and what that particular demographic chooses to buy?" Im a consumer, and part of the "demographic". I can criticize anything i want, because we all have that freedom. Maybe something i said hit some truth, or maybe your just always a mad person. But we all know the truth hurts when its shown in the right light. The Iphone is over priced for what it offers and does. No one will watch a movie on a screen that is the size of ur fist. Maybe on a car trip, but then, your better off buying a 150$ dvd/tv setup for your car huh. This gadget is just for those who dont know any better about what they really need. Who cares about wants, if its not practical, it doesnt matter.
Only allowing at&t as the provider is the first flaw. 2nd is the battery. 3rd is the price to keep everything functional on your iphone. 4th, to me, is its size. I dont want a phone that takes up that much space in my pocket.
Apple experience - getting ripped off. I get that experience every paycheck due to the government and its taxes.

Sir, I applaud thee. Couldn't have said it better myself

but you see this is just the kind of shopper that apple thrives off of, if no one questions them they will get away with charging anything they want for their products.

There is no way in hell you can justify them taking your phone for a week and charging you 80 dollars for a battery.

That's just retarded.

I'm not knocking the phone or it's features i'm knocking apple's lackluster support, and i think they should be forced to give more options.

The only thing "Premium" about the iPhone is the price.
No 3G.
No EVDO.
No HSDPA.
Wimpy 2 MP camera.
Bad battery life/no way to swap batteries.
Did I mention that the price is kinda high?
locked into one provider.
NO THANKS!

Liar. http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+batter...amp;startPage=1

Did you actually just say that?

What are you talking about? Comparing a sealed gas tank to a battery is completely off. Why would you want a gas tank that's not sealed? Would you want the gas to come out? Same for the battery, you wouldn't want the acid to leak out would you? Besides, you don't HAVE to take it to the dealership to have it changed, you can do it yourself.

A better analogy would be to say; the manufacturer of the vehicle created the gas tank in such a way that special proprietary connectors are needed to replace; which forces you to go to the dealership.

Anyway, honestly, how can people not have realized any issue with the battery? It's essentially an iPod with cell phone capability.

I think he meant filling up the gas tank with gas.... granted it was a stupid comparison..

If he said something like... the gas tank could only be filled 100 times before you needed a new one which cost you $4800 (on a $30k car, that's the same percentage as what the iphone battery will cost you) and could ONLY be replaced by your dealer......

then maybe it would make more sense... but the problem is, there are apple fanbois who will buy this crap no matter what it does and praise apple for "Thinking differently." But if this was ANY OTHER company out there in the world who pulled it with ANY OTHER product, it would be the end of the world.

Wow, it was meant to be a simple analogy. SORRY for not covering all my bases and making a perfect analogy...

My point still is that this is a stupid lawsuit, and if you can't do some research before buying a product then too bad for you. People act like just because most cell phone manufacturers allow you to replace the battery that Apple should be required to do it too. If you don't like it, don't buy it!

As a side note, there are a lot of a**holes on this site.

Yet another example of mindless sheep buying into the mindset that Apple products are some sort of premium because that concept has been spoon-fed to them through marketing. When its convenient, the Apple kids will spin it and say that Apple products aren't any more expensive than their alternatives, yet when need be, they'll flip and make it seem that Apple products are only available to the financially privileged and the socially-elite. With the iPhone, I think this lawsuit boils down to basically this; lots of people bought into the hype, realized they got a mediocre product, and are ****ed about it. Only they, unlike most Apple customers, aren't going to take it lying face down, as most Mac fanatics are likely to do.

Now run along and get back to biting that pillow, Jobs is feeling frisky again...

So basically, had people read up and realized the iPhone was a PoS, they'd not have purchased it, and hence, there'd be no lawsuit. Makes sense to me.

Great. Now tell me how you're gonna actually replace the battery without voiding your Apple warranty.

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Last edited by bangbang023 on 02 Aug 2007 - 18:43

Thanks for the link. The battery replacement site is legit. I wonder how long the battery last anyway. People need to complain about this when there battery actually gets dies or cant hold a charge.