Shift Linux 0.5 RC-1 To Be Released This Week

(1 reply) #1 XerXis on 19 Aug 2007 - 20:30

so, why would i choose shift over ubuntu or even just plain debian. Convince me, i've never seen the need for distro's based on distro's

#1.1 Barney on 19 Aug 2007 - 23:21

Well, Ubuntu and Knoppix are based on Debian....... Mandriva is based on Red Hat, as is Fedora.....

#2 sibot on 19 Aug 2007 - 20:49

you should post some screenshots, so atleast the user knows what hes heading into. but either way great work! neowin's very own OS

r0x0r!

#3 Kreuger on 19 Aug 2007 - 21:00

I'll put up some screenshots of my copy (fluxbox ). This isn't the installable version but just so you can see.

Edit: Click here to see

Edit 2: In the theme info, where it says wall by sim360 it should say simon360

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(2 replies) #4 RuudJacobs.NET on 19 Aug 2007 - 22:21

Hmm considering those screens, I'll be sticking to BackTrack2...

#4.1 Barney on 19 Aug 2007 - 22:30

Maybe you'd like to wait to comment until after we release it.......

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#4.2 RuudJacobs.NET on 19 Aug 2007 - 22:49

I'm very sorry but since someone just posted screenshots I find it unlikely I will be using it... I might give it a try anyway because it's a Neowin project

#5 Kreuger on 19 Aug 2007 - 23:10

Why would you use a distro that's sole purpose is for testing security?

#6 Lant on 19 Aug 2007 - 23:10

I doubt I'll use it (trying to get IIS and MySQL to play nicely together on my 2nd Vista install) but its nice to see Neowin's own OS.

#7 cork1958 on 20 Aug 2007 - 01:09

Oops!

Was just typing in when is the final release due. Helps to read it all, huh?

That's the day after my birthday!! Maybe, I'll give it to myself for a present.

What's with all the doubting (if I install it) thomas's here? It's just another Linux distro. Not like there aren't half a million of them out there, and most of you that are reading this thread, have probably tried half of them. What's 1 more?

#8 -Razorfold on 20 Aug 2007 - 01:17

Why did you guys change the design?? Not that I've used it, but the previous version looked a lot nicer.

#9 Kreuger on 20 Aug 2007 - 01:27

Thanks to CrimsonRedMk we have some KDE shots too

http://crimsonredmk.googlepages.com/kde1.png
http://crimsonredmk.googlepages.com/kde2.png
http://crimsonredmk.googlepages.com/kde3.png
http://crimsonredmk.googlepages.com/kde4.png

#10 Kreuger on 20 Aug 2007 - 03:29

As far as I know, that's vanilla now. By the full release, we should have it fully themed.

#11 whocares78 on 20 Aug 2007 - 05:42

why do we need yet another version of linux, I think the biggest problem Linux has gettign new users is the fact there are too many versions to choose form and how the hell do you know which one suits you

#12 rEiVeRjOhN on 20 Aug 2007 - 05:46

this looks cool, looking forward to seeing it all niced up !

(5 replies) #13 Kreuger on 20 Aug 2007 - 06:03

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why do we need yet another version of linux, I think the biggest problem Linux has gettign new users is the fact there are too many versions to choose form and how the hell do you know which one suits you

We've covered why many times. The point of Linux is choice! Freedom to choose whichever distro, kernel, applications, desktop environments, window managers, etc work best for you. Try out a bunch of the top rated ones on sites like distrowatch.com and you'll find the one for you quick enough. If it's too much for you to do that, then you have no reason to switch from OSX, Vista or whatever OS you use.

#13.1 internetworld7 on 20 Aug 2007 - 07:45

Why in the hades would someone want to switch from beautiful and perfect Mac OSX (Leopard coming soon) for yet another awful linsux distro? Does that make sense? Talk to me, I'll talk back.

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why do we need yet another version of linux, I think the biggest problem Linux has gettign new users is the fact there are too many versions to choose form and how the hell do you know which one suits you

We've covered why many times. The point of Linux is choice! Freedom to choose whichever distro, kernel, applications, desktop environments, window managers, etc work best for you. Try out a bunch of the top rated ones on sites like distrowatch.com and you'll find the one for you quick enough. If it's too much for you to do that, then you have no reason to switch from OSX, Vista or whatever OS you use.

#13.2 NeoTrunks on 20 Aug 2007 - 07:57

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Why in the hades would someone want to switch from beautiful and perfect Mac OSX (Leopard coming soon) for yet another awful linsux distro? Does that make sense? Talk to me, I'll talk back.

So that we have a use for our vanilla boxes we have lying around

. I'll be trying it out on my spare comp. Of course, Mac OS stays on my Mac though.

#13.3 XerXis on 20 Aug 2007 - 09:10

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why do we need yet another version of linux, I think the biggest problem Linux has gettign new users is the fact there are too many versions to choose form and how the hell do you know which one suits you

We've covered why many times. The point of Linux is choice! Freedom to choose whichever distro, kernel, applications, desktop environments, window managers, etc work best for you. Try out a bunch of the top rated ones on sites like distrowatch.com and you'll find the one for you quick enough. If it's too much for you to do that, then you have no reason to switch from OSX, Vista or whatever OS you use.

maybe, but as of yet you still havn't answered my question: why should I choose this distro over the thousands of others. What does it have to offer me. Why should I throw away my ubuntu cd and start using this distro. You guys don't give any reason at all. Untill you do this is just another distro that will die soon, sorry to put it this way. Learn to sell your product and people will be interested.

Oh, and btw, I prefer quality over quantity. Freedom to choose is all very nice, but if every distro is the same with maybe a few default programs changed it's not a choice.

#13.4 NeoTrunks on 20 Aug 2007 - 09:34

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why do we need yet another version of linux, I think the biggest problem Linux has gettign new users is the fact there are too many versions to choose form and how the hell do you know which one suits you

We've covered why many times. The point of Linux is choice! Freedom to choose whichever distro, kernel, applications, desktop environments, window managers, etc work best for you. Try out a bunch of the top rated ones on sites like distrowatch.com and you'll find the one for you quick enough. If it's too much for you to do that, then you have no reason to switch from OSX, Vista or whatever OS you use.

maybe, but as of yet you still havn't answered my question: why should I choose this distro over the thousands of others. What does it have to offer me. Why should I throw away my ubuntu cd and start using this distro. You guys don't give any reason at all. Untill you do this is just another distro that will die soon, sorry to put it this way. Learn to sell your product and people will be interested.

Oh, and btw, I prefer quality over quantity. Freedom to choose is all very nice, but if every distro is the same with maybe a few default programs changed it's not a choice.

No one is telling you to throw away your current distro. I currently use feisty fawn on my spare box. I probably won't be getting rid of it. But I will definitely give Shift a go, and will try to contribute to its development in anyway, mostly by way of bug reports and the such.

#13.5 whocares78 on 21 Aug 2007 - 02:51

thats my whole point. i don't want to spend hours upon hours installing and playing just to find one that suits me, it is nice to have choice i agree, but tooo much choice is just confusing, and how do i pick between them, what do i even look for. Your final comment just annoys me,

IF i want to switch or i want to learn linux yet i can't be bothered downloading and trying out 30 different versiosn (lets see if they are 600 meg each then lets just say i try 10 thats 6 gig of downloads, damn my monthly limits) just to see what i like, then i shoudl be able to make a reliable choice on what to try.

you say "the more the merrier" i say "too many cooks spoil the broth"

#14 Croquant on 20 Aug 2007 - 08:00

Let me get this straight... you're having a RC1 for a 0.5 release? Isn't that kind of redundant?

#15 neostyle on 20 Aug 2007 - 09:21

aaah can't wait to try it out ...:-)

good luck for the release......

#16 Foub on 20 Aug 2007 - 09:57

I'm not that crazy for the KDE desktop. I like Gnome much better. Will there be a Gnome version?

I like to try out new Linuxes under VirtualBox in my Ubuntu.

(1 reply) #17 Kreuger on 20 Aug 2007 - 15:25

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Why in the hades would someone want to switch from beautiful and perfect Mac OSX (Leopard coming soon) for yet another awful linsux distro? Does that make sense? Talk to me, I'll talk

To each his own. I don't find it all that more attractive. In fact, because I've barely used it I find it rather confusing at times. It looks alright I suppose but you have had the same "aqua" look for so long, it grew tired fast. So just like Linux, it needs tinkering to make it look good. And by the way, no OS is perfect. It can be perfect for your needs, but that's about it.

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maybe, but as of yet you still havn't answered my question: why should I choose this distro over the thousands of others.

I didn't answer because as I've told you we've discussed it many times. If you did a search, you'd see the answer quite fast I'm sure. So if you care that much, go ahead and look. And as NeoTrunks said, nobody is telling you to do anything. I'm keeping my feisty install on both my systems but I play with distros in VMWare and Qemu all the time. I will probably never switch distros as it's just too much hassle to resetup everything how I like it. But I will always run others through emulation and live cds just because it's fun.

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I'm not that crazy for the KDE desktop. I like Gnome much better. Will there be a Gnome version?

Most definitely. I think nobody has an ISO of it yet and that's why we don't have screenshots for it yet. Be patient and we'll get them out soon. If not this week, then by the final release when we have everything fully themed.

#17.1 Foub on 20 Aug 2007 - 22:02

I'm not as concerned with looks as with ease of use. I find Gnome easier to use, and more versatile, in many regards than KDE. If I wanted iCandy I would have stayed with Vista.

#18 RuudJacobs.NET on 20 Aug 2007 - 18:06

the kde-version is pretty cool, will it be fully neowin-skinned?

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