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Apple overhauls entire iPod line

Tom Warren   on 05 September 2007 - 18:34 · 96 comments & 32047 views

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Apple announced today a new range of iPods ready for the holiday season.

Big on the list is the iPod touch which is near identical to the iPhone apart from that it's thinner and has no phone functionality. The nano has been updated to include video support and is a little fatter than previous versions but still incredibly thin.

The iPhone has now dropped in price so the new price is $399 for the 8GB model. There will no longer be a 4GB model.

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#1 Sumeet on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:38
I must say, it looks nice.
#2 Liandros on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:41
well i know now whats going on my christmas or birthdaty list
(1 reply) #3 solgae on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:44
I can already hear the sound of rage from the iPhone early adopters.
#3.1 Jugalator on 06 Sep 2007 - 13:41
Because technology drops in price over time? It happens all the time...
#4 .Kompressor on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:44

The website has finished updating

www.apple.com
(6 replies) #5 Ashl on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:46
160 GB thats huge for an MP3 player wonder what percentage of people with 80GBs or even 30GBs fill then?
Still that Touch does look nice and the Nano is fat!
#5.1 tele-fragd on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:48
Quote - (Ashl said @ #5)
160 GB thats huge for an MP3 player wonder what percentage of people with 80GBs or even 30GBs fill then?
Still that Touch does look nice and the Nano is fat!

160GB? I think you misread.
#5.2 bangbang023 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:55
Quote - (tele-fragd said @ #5.1)
160GB? I think you misread.

No, he didn't.
#5.3 xploit1030 on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:16
I have more than 80GB of music and that doesn't even count videos, while I know I am the exception rather than the norm I have been wanting more space for a long time. Which leads me to my largest complaint... the iPod Touch with a measley 16GB. Come on that is like what 5 movies? That is pathetic, at least it looks nice. I'll be waiting until I can get at least 30GB from the touch before I'm going to go for it.
#5.4 kaiwai on 06 Sep 2007 - 03:04
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I have more than 80GB of music and that doesn't even count videos, while I know I am the exception rather than the norm I have been wanting more space for a long time. Which leads me to my largest complaint... the iPod Touch with a measley 16GB. Come on that is like what 5 movies? That is pathetic, at least it looks nice. I'll be waiting until I can get at least 30GB from the touch before I'm going to go for it.


I'd love to know what the situation is with *NIX is - I'm tempted to purchase one but I'm scared it won't be compatible.

Also, I think the one benefit with larger space which means superior quality music as well; for me, I like compressing at 256kbps for example.
#5.5 kizzaaa on 07 Sep 2007 - 12:21
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Quote - (tele-fragd said @ #5.1)
160GB? I think you misread.

No, he didn't.


He did, the iPod touch is available in 8GB and 16GB.

It's the iPod classic that offers a 160GB modem. The poster was referring to the iPod touch.
#5.6 whistlerxp on 11 Sep 2007 - 21:58
Quote - (kizzaaa said @ #5.5)
Quote - (bangbang023 said @ #5.2)
Quote - (tele-fragd said @ #5.1)
160GB? I think you misread.

No, he didn't.


He did, the iPod touch is available in 8GB and 16GB.

It's the iPod classic that offers a 160GB modem. The poster was referring to the iPod touch.


I don't think he did, he just mentioned the touch later and said it "looks cool"
(3 replies) #6 richardsim7 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:49
Why do people say the nano is fat?! It's still just as thin!
No, he didnt' misread, there's the iPod classic 80GB and 160GB

-Rich-
#6.1 tele-fragd on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:30
Quote - (richardsim7 said @ #6)
Why do people say the nano is fat?! It's still just as thin!
No, he didnt' misread, there's the iPod classic 80GB and 160GB

-Rich-


Ah yes, my bad. I didn't see the "iPod Classic" in there.
#6.2 betasp on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:02
It is just big boned.
#6.3 whistlerxp on 11 Sep 2007 - 21:59
Quote - (richardsim7 said @ #6)
Why do people say the nano is fat?! It's still just as thin!
No, he didnt' misread, there's the iPod classic 80GB and 160GB

-Rich-


Because the nano looks overly wide at the bottom due to all the empty space, though people who have seen it for real say it looks nicer than in promo materials.
#7 J400uk on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:56
iPod touch looks awsome
(5 replies) #8 soldiers33 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:57
i dnt understand whats the point of paying $300 for an mp3 player. there r other mp3 players which cost $50, and they still do the same thing.

and also i see no point of watching vdieos on the tiny nano.
#8.1 stifler6478 on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:06
For once I can say you're wrong about other mp3 players. Most can't browse customized online music stores. Most can't browse the whole internet. Most don't have the slick interface the iPod Touch will have. Most don't look so cool.

You're comparing the iPod to other mp3 players when the iPod (at least the iPod Touch) isn't really just an mp3 player anymore.

I might look into this when my trusty Mini finally kicks the bucket. Or maybe it'll go on the X-mas list. At the moment, though, $300 is a lot.

-Spenser
#8.2 C_Guy on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:38
Well solider, not everyone buys iPod because it can play music...some buy it as a fashion accessory or because their friends have one or because someone thought it was "cool" (hence they too can be "cool" for just $300)

Others think that Apple is God's gift to technology; therefore, it's iPod or die. Yep, they really exist.

And some just don't bother to look at anything else because iPod is now a household name. Just as people refer to any brand of tissues as "Kleenex" or any brand of bandage as a "Band-aid", some people refer to all MP3 players as "iPods".
#8.3 bobbba on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:58
... and some buy them because the technology is better, and some buy them because the design is better and some buy them because they are simply just easy to use.

Just like some people would rather b*tch about them than acknowledge a great product with a great set of features and services.
#8.4 miguel_montes on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:26
Quote - (stifler6478 said @ #8.1)
For once I can say you're wrong about other mp3 players. Most can't browse customized online music stores. Most can't browse the whole internet. Most don't have the slick interface the iPod Touch will have. Most don't look so cool.

You're comparing the iPod to other mp3 players when the iPod (at least the iPod Touch) isn't really just an mp3 player anymore.

I might look into this when my trusty Mini finally kicks the bucket. Or maybe it'll go on the X-mas list. At the moment, though, $300 is a lot.

-Spenser


Online music store - No need for that. I download my music for free.
Internet - No need for that.
Interface - Don't like touchscreen. Way too easy to damage.
Coolness - Yeah, that I agree. iTouch looks sick!

So why would I buy an iTouch, that only has 16GB, when my 5th generation iPod has 60???? Or why would anyone buy an iTouch when iPod Classic has so much more storage space?
#8.5 Danrarbc on 06 Sep 2007 - 02:36
Quote - (bobbba said @ #8.3)
... and some buy them because the technology is better

Before this refresh the technology was not better.
(1 reply) #9 haydn82 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:58
ipod touch does look amazing.... just wonder when it'll be available in the UK???
#9.1 +Axon on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:04
Stevie-J said worldwide release later this month
(4 replies) #10 andrewpking on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:05
Well, unlike most people I'm disappointed, I wanted a 160GB widescreen, touchscreen iPod, I didn't get it!

Instead we got:
Shuffle: No change (bit pointless anyway in my opinion)
Nano: Known for being cute and gadgety, now fat! (who would watch video on that tiny screen)
Classic: Same as my 5G from 2 years ago but just higher storage
Touch: Fancy but full of useless features and half the storage of my 5G from 2 years ago

I won't be buying any! I know most disagree but I think these are poor iPods from apple
#10.1 eilegz on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:13
agree with you lets wait for a second or third generation, so far the early adopters of iphone got screwed with the price

i would like to see a shuffle cost less than 50 dollars like it should.

#10.2 jasondefaoite on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:35
Yup, fully agree. iPod classic not enough of an improvement over the 5th Gen to spend money to replace mine. I wanted the touch, but 16GB Flash is a no go for me. Should have put even 40GB/80GB drives in there to keep the price down.

Had money waiting on a purchase, but looks like I'll have to wait for the touch Gen2.

Also, I pity those who purchased the iPhone 8GBs originally. 200 dollar price drop .. ouch. I guess the iPhone wasn't selling as much as Apple hoped. They'll see the same issue with the iPod Touch. If there was a hard drive in there, we had a winner.
#10.3 EvilDude on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:01
In the same situation, have a 5g but the touch would be a step backwards in terms of size, which is just silly.

Ah well, might have to go get myself an actual video device rather than an iPod. If only the touch had a hard drive.
#10.4 tophat on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:17
Quote - (eilegz said @ #10.1)
agree with you lets wait for a second or third generation, so far the early adopters of iphone got screwed with the price

i would like to see a shuffle cost less than 50 dollars like it should.


If you go into the refurb section of Apple's store, you can get a shuffle for $49. Not exactly the same, I know, but it's under $50 and comes with a warranty...
(4 replies) #11 plastikaa on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:08
8gb ... so why in the video does it show capacity of 7.08? ... oh yeah, cus when they say 8gb they really mean about 7.45, and then all the software and stuff installed on that thing leaves you with over 10% less space than they advertise!

Its about time they started labeling up the real size of the hard drive that is usable, not just Apple - everyone.

Other than that it looks pretty nifty
#11.1 plastikaa on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:11
I suppose they get away with it because at the bottom they reference:

Quote -
1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.


Whereas 1GB actually = 1,073,741,824 bytes
#11.2 nonick on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:13
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I suppose they get away with it because at the bottom they reference:

Quote -
1GB = 1 billion bytes; actual formatted capacity less.


Whereas 1GB actually = 1,073,741,824 bytes


For manufacturers 1GB = 1,000,000,000 and not what you listed.
#11.3 Gism0 on 06 Sep 2007 - 08:20
Giga means billion (base 10) so they're actually right, same with hard drive manufacturers. Operating systems use the term incorrectly, they should be using GiB (base 2)

1 GiB = 1,073,741,824 bytes (2^30)
1 GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes (10^9)
#11.4 plastikaa on 06 Sep 2007 - 19:39
Even if they are technically right - theres only one reason they do it, and thats to make it look like they are selling more than they are. If inside OSX is uses GB to base 2.. then their advertising should too.
(1 reply) #12 rawd on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:09
an iphone without the phone?
red shuffle?
starbucks?

meh

And one more thing!
An ipod that doesnt play music!

woooooboring
#12.1 roadwarrior on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:07
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And one more thing!
An ipod that doesnt play music!


Which one would that be? Oh, right, the one you made up in your demented mind.
#13 thefonz on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:12
I just bought a sansa connect.
Which i love to pieces.

Thank you.
(1 reply) #14 ChrisEcu on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:20
No iTunes 8 ... The Specs from the iPod classic say clearly iTunes 7.4........
#14.1 .Neo on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:09
They just released iTunes 7 a few months ago...
#15 peacemf on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:29
to be honest at least apple are trying and doing well!!!
compared to the zune, creative m vision etc
both brought very little to the market

ive owned both!

at least the ipod is a well developed and finished product!

still hate it
#16 Stealth-X on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:36
It looks gorgeous :|
#17 Cosmos on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:40
Been holding off for an ipod until now, touch screen and wifi has won me over.
(5 replies) #18 Flae_qui on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:46
ok now for the real questions?

how much?
how long does the battery last?
how much is the battery?
can "we" replace it?

and how soon will i have to replace it once i'm tried of being ripped off by apple.
#18.1 eAi on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:03
Have you read Apple's website at all?

Assuming you're talking about the "Touch" - the battery lasts 22 hours playing audio, 5 playing video. I imagine the battery should be the same as the iPhone - as such it should hold roughly 80% of the original charge after 2 years and gradually degrade (with average usage).
#18.2 vetL3thal on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:21
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Have you read Apple's website at all?

Assuming you're talking about the "Touch" - the battery lasts 22 hours playing audio, 5 playing video. I imagine the battery should be the same as the iPhone - as such it should hold roughly 80% of the original charge after 2 years and gradually degrade (with average usage).

2 years? Yea, keep dreaming my friend. Lithium Ion batteries lose 20% of their charging capacity after roughly 1 year and after two years, they hold about 65% of their charge.

Unless of course Apple is using a patented, custom made battery
#18.3 bobbba on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:01
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2 years? Yea, keep dreaming my friend. Lithium Ion batteries lose 20% of their charging capacity after roughly 1 year and after two years, they hold about 65% of their charge.

Unless of course Apple is using a patented, custom made battery


Source? Usage? or are we just spouting here...
#18.4 vetL3thal on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:42
Quote - (bobbba said @ #18.3)
Quote - (L3thal said @ #18.2)
2 years? Yea, keep dreaming my friend. Lithium Ion batteries lose 20% of their charging capacity after roughly 1 year and after two years, they hold about 65% of their charge.

Unless of course Apple is using a patented, custom made battery


Source? Usage? or are we just spouting here...

Both, actually. Good thing you asked.

Here's a very detailed description of lithium ion batteries and their durability, lifetime, etc.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/generic...cname=c00596784
#18.5 bobbba on 06 Sep 2007 - 08:40
Quote - (L3thal said @ #18.4)
Quote - (bobbba said @ #18.3)
Quote - (L3thal said @ #18.2)
2 years? Yea, keep dreaming my friend. Lithium Ion batteries lose 20% of their charging capacity after roughly 1 year and after two years, they hold about 65% of their charge.

Unless of course Apple is using a patented, custom made battery


Source? Usage? or are we just spouting here...

Both, actually. Good thing you asked.

Here's a very detailed description of lithium ion batteries and their durability, lifetime, etc.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/generic...cname=c00596784


Not sure how you think this applies to the ipod given that it talks about moderate use being 300-500 charges a year. I know that if I had one I wouldn't be using my ipod for the 5 hours video or 25 hours audio over 300 times a year...
(5 replies) #19 +Digix on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:08
ipod touch is yum, completely changed my mind from considering zune now!


ipod touch
how much? $299 8GB $399 16GB
how long does the battery last? 22hrs audio 5hrs video
how much is the battery? it's built in as usual
can "we" replace it? no.
#19.1 brent3000 on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:10
could u ever replace apple batteries...
#19.2 +Digix on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:44
Quote - (brent3000 said @ #19.1)
could u ever replace apple batteries...

probably by buying a new ipod and rip the battery out and re connect it but why do that when can just use it lol
#19.3 roadwarrior on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:10
Good God, when are people ever going to stop spouting such nonsense? It's been perfectly possible to replace an iPod's battery for ages now. Stop being ignorant fools.
#19.4 Kojacked on 06 Sep 2007 - 06:42
Quote - (roadwarrior said @ #19.3)
Good God, when are people ever going to stop spouting such nonsense? It's been perfectly possible to replace an iPod's battery for ages now. Stop being ignorant fools.


Not the new touch ones <snipped>!They are just like the iPhone. Pay attention to the topic rather than protecting the holy throne of Jobs.

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#19.5 roadwarrior on 06 Sep 2007 - 13:23
Quote - (Kojacked said @ #19.4)
Quote - (roadwarrior said @ #19.3)
Good God, when are people ever going to stop spouting such nonsense? It's been perfectly possible to replace an iPod's battery for ages now. Stop being ignorant fools.


Not the new touch ones tard! They are just like the iPhone. Pay attention to the topic rather than protecting the holy throne of Jobs.


I was responding to the comment "could u ever replace apple batteries", <snipped>

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#20 Chicane-UK on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:09
Hmm.. nice toys there most definately but its mostly meaningless addons that my 1st Gen Nano still manages just fine.

I mean.. I dont *need* coverflow, or the ability to play video's on my iPod - I had video capability and a hoofin great memory card on my last mobile phone and I never played video on it beyond the test one I put on there to make sure it worked!

Don't get me wrong though.. some seriously nice additions to the line up. The iPod Touch does look gorgeous and feature packed and 160GB in the classic is just.. well.. insane frankly.
(1 reply) #21 brent3000 on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:12
Looks like they had some Iphone shells left over so what did they do??> rip the phone components out and leave the music section in there...

The nano is an improvement tho... yet again... how small is it really... looks like the whole thing fits in ya palm.... screens got to be bit to small for any real movies dont it..
#21.1 roadwarrior on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:14
The iPhone shell and the iPod touch shell are completely different, so there goes your theory. The screen of the new nano is 80% of the size of the screen on the iPod Classic, so it should be acceptable for watching videos. I've watched videos on smaller screens than that before (1.2", and once you get used to it, you can live with it.
#22 xelencin on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:15
Is it just me or does the ipod touch make a perfect internet tablet device similar to the Nokia N800? The 4GB version costs less than the N800 (which i currently own) and Safari on the iPhone/iPod Touch is far superior than the N800 Opera 9 browser besides lacking Flash support.
#23 Unwonted on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:18
The only overhaul they need is dropping the price to something more appropriate. They cost more than their worth when you see what non-Apple players offer at the same price.

They also could use a "just copy the damned songs with their original name without having to install iTunes or a 3rd party program" function added. All my other MP3 players can do that--why not one that is supposedly nicer?
(4 replies) #24 Tomo on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:34
I hope they upgrade the 'old' 30GB and 80GB iPod video firmware to take advantage of the new software that they've put on the 160GB iPod Classic such as the coverflow.
#24.1 Zip on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:41
they wont. they never do. they would lose selling points.

there was never even an update for 5g ipods to have the search facility of 5.5g ipods.
#24.2 miguel_montes on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:34
Quote - (Zip said @ #24.1)
they wont. they never do. they would lose selling points.

there was never even an update for 5g ipods to have the search facility of 5.5g ipods.


That sucks. I wanted those features on my 5th generation iPod.

NOT updating the firmware because they would lose selling points, is already a lost selling point: they lost ME as their future customer.
#24.3 Danrarbc on 06 Sep 2007 - 02:42
Quote - (miguel_montes said @ #24.2)
Quote - (Zip said @ #24.1)
they wont. they never do. they would lose selling points.

there was never even an update for 5g ipods to have the search facility of 5.5g ipods.


That sucks. I wanted those features on my 5th generation iPod.

NOT updating the firmware because they would lose selling points, is already a lost selling point: they lost ME as their future customer.

These new iPods have totally different hardware. Completely.

The firmware isn't related to the original in ANY way. Most likely the horsepower isn't even there to do some of the new things.
#24.4 miguel_montes on 06 Sep 2007 - 10:34
Quote - (Danrarbc said @ #24.3)
Quote - (miguel_montes said @ #24.2)
Quote - (Zip said @ #24.1)
they wont. they never do. they would lose selling points.

there was never even an update for 5g ipods to have the search facility of 5.5g ipods.


That sucks. I wanted those features on my 5th generation iPod.

NOT updating the firmware because they would lose selling points, is already a lost selling point: they lost ME as their future customer.

These new iPods have totally different hardware. Completely.

The firmware isn't related to the original in ANY way. Most likely the horsepower isn't even there to do some of the new things.


Source, please. I would like to know more...
#25 vetL3thal on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:43
If only they made it slightly cheaper.
#26 +Shadrack on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:20
I think it looks like an awesome product. But I agree with most of you in regards to waiting for the 2nd generation of iPod touch.
(7 replies) #28 Mathachew on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:33
Still no WMA support

For once I agree with Jobs, Zune has a long way to go in comparison. MS should take some serious consideration here as Apple hasn't done a mere change to the casing of an existing product, they've delivered big time.
#28.1 Morpheus Phreak on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:52
Microsoft already has an idea for a response for next year.


Find some info about the Omnigo project and you'll like what you read
#28.2 +Digix on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:24
converters have been around a long time, even audacity can solve that problem >_>
#28.3 Mathachew on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:33
Quote - (Digix said @ #28.2)
converters have been around a long time, even audacity can solve that problem >_>


Screw converting. I want my music to play as is. Besides, I don't want to convert 15,000+ files.
#28.4 kaiwai on 06 Sep 2007 - 03:38
Quote - (Mathachew said @ #28.3)
Quote - (Digix said @ #28.2)
converters have been around a long time, even audacity can solve that problem >_>


Screw converting. I want my music to play as is. Besides, I don't want to convert 15,000+ files.


If these are legit songs then rip them again from your cd.
#28.5 betasp on 06 Sep 2007 - 03:56
I don't think you should get upset at Apple not supporting a closed, proprietary format.
#28.6 excalpius on 06 Sep 2007 - 11:29
Quote - (betasp said @ #6)
I don't think you should get upset at Apple not supporting a closed, proprietary format.


Yes, you're only allowed to use Apple's closed proprietary format.
#28.7 kaiwai on 06 Sep 2007 - 11:55
Quote - (excalpius said @ #28.6)
Quote - (betasp said @ #6)
I don't think you should get upset at Apple not supporting a closed, proprietary format.


Yes, you're only allowed to use Apple's closed proprietary format.


AAC is an iso standard. Its specification is completely open and there are numerous implementations of AAC.
#29 Croquant on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:38
Bah... way overpriced.
(4 replies) #30 Ev!L-aLphA on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:41
the ipod touch is pointless... i mean it would of been ONE HELL OF AN IPOD if it had more than 16 damn gigs...

what can u do with 16gigs these days... your going to have to make a TON of compromises to make it all fit especially if you want to put videos on it . i mean its nice and all and id love to have one, but 8 and 16 gigs is just not enough, specially when u can get 10x the amount of space for less...

i also dont really think the whole metallic thing will look too fancy with the new ipod classics, i liked the 5g look its a lot slicker..

im kind of disapointed in this new lineup i have to say =|

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#30.1 roadwarrior on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:18
Quote - (Ev!L-aLphA said @ #30)
16 gigs is just not enough, specially when u can get 10x the amoun