Posted by Tom Warren on 05 September 2007 - 18:04 · 55 comments & 24900 views
Windows Live makes it easy to store and manage your communications and information, and share what’s going on in your life with the people who mean the most to you. Many of you have already tried out new versions of our web services – Windows Live Hotmail, Windows Live Spaces, Windows Live SkyDrive beta, and the new Windows Live Home page beta. These have been designed to work together with a common navigation, so it is easy to switch between your e-mail, your space, your files, and your photos—from any browser.

Today Microsoft are releasing beta versions of a new generation of Windows Live software designed for your Windows PC that makes it easier than ever to get connected to Windows Live or other services. This suite of software includes e-mail (Windows Live Mail), photo sharing (Windows Live Photo Gallery), a great publishing tool that lets you post directly to your blog (Windows Live Writer), parental controls (Windows Live OneCare Family Safety), a new version of Windows Live Messenger (8.5), and more.

Starting today, you’ll be able to install the entire suite of these downloadable Windows Live services at one time, from one place, instead of going through separate installations for each service. Of course, if you don’t want the entire suite, you can still get each application individually.

This new suite of applications is a new way that we can make connecting, communicating, and sharing anywhere a terrific experience on your Windows PC. Together with our web services, we have a complete suite that combines the best of the Web and the best of Windows, and works the way you want.

Download: Windows Live Suite (Available later today)
View: Windows Live Blog



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Quote this comment Reply to this comment #1 Posted by Amano on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:16
Nice Waiting...
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #2 Posted by chemaz101 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:16
Woo finally
Wonder what changes they've made since the last builds that were available other than the removal of the "Beta" tag
Quote this comment #2.1 Posted by GP02X on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:20
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To answer several of you who have been clamoring for details, today's release does include NEW and IMPROVED beta versions of Photo Gallery, Writer, Mail, and OneCare Family Safety, in addition to the new unified installer. Here are a few tidbits about what you'll get:

Photo Gallery: Improved cropping and color adjustment tools; ability to watch QuickTime videos in the viewer.
Writer: Ability to insert videos; new XHTML markup capability; ability to print your blog posts; new support for Blogger image upload tools and PicasaWeb.
Mail: Photomail improvements; Contacts improvements; and a new customizable toolbar.
OneCare Family Safety: New integration with Mail, Messenger, and Spaces.
(1 reply) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #3 Posted by chemaz101 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:17
Also does this mean we can finally get " @live.com" email addy? as iv been wanting one for ages but seem to have missed out on all the "hacks" to get one
Quote this comment #3.1 Posted by soldiers33 on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:19
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Also does this mean we can finally get " @live.com" email addy? as iv been wanting one for ages but seem to have missed out on all the "hacks" to get one


Excatly wot i wanted to ask. ive been waiting for months
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #4 Posted by .Kompressor on 05 Sep 2007 - 18:37
can hear a pin drop over at microsoft.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #5 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 19:32
wouldnt mind new live messenger and live mail desktop version
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #6 Posted by acrophile on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:21
I wouldn't mind a messenger that doesn't pop up an installer window ever time I login to my system.

oh, and one without an annoying "sharing folders" icon in "my computer"....
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #7 Posted by Gus. on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:27
Four apps installed and working on XP SP2. Mail, Writer, and Photo Gallery still say "Beta":

Mail 12.0.1365
Writer 12.0.1277
Photo Gallery 12.0.1193
Messenger 8.5.1288

Photo Gallery installation failed on first attempt, ran installer again, installed and worked fine.


Last edited by Gus. on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:26
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #8 Posted by Sniper101 on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:36
For all us UK Dudes here is a little trick until it comes out


Right to the damn thing

http://get.live.com/en-us/WL/config_all
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #9 Posted by SidVicious on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:42
Direct link to the installer:

http://g.live.com/1rebeta/en-us/WLInstaller.exe
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #10 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:47
http://g.live.com/1rebeta/en-us/WLInstaller.exe
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #11 Posted by kiddingguy on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:47
Does this checking for installed products - just WLM for me - takes sooo long?
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #12 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:52
took AGES on mine too, for all of them, so be patient

windows live messenger build: 8.5.1288.816
windows live mail desktop build: 12.0.1365

Last edited by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:57
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #13 Posted by epraes on 05 Sep 2007 - 20:57
Looks like WLM 8.5 is final:

Version 2008 (8.5.1288.816)


As for Mail, the installer states I already have the latest version. What a disappointment
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #14 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:02
mail desktop working fine for me, they have the file menu hidden by default now and have changed font for everything, looks nice.
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #15 Posted by chemaz101 on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:39
ok for some reason its sayin Photo Gallery and Mail are still Beta???? so bit confused about that lol
And i thought it would cum in one installer, so i dont have to keep downloading it if i format pc or if i wana install it on different comps, it sucks that it just downloads them.
Does anyone know where it downloads them to?
Quote this comment #15.1 Posted by torrentthief on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:07
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ok for some reason its sayin Photo Gallery and Mail are still Beta???? so bit confused about that lol
And i thought it would cum in one installer, so i dont have to keep downloading it if i format pc or if i wana install it on different comps, it sucks that it just downloads them.
Does anyone know where it downloads them to?


yeah, it sucks, hopefully there will be standalone links for each, i want standalone 10mb or so .exe's of live mail desktop and live messenger, was annoying having the program download them.
Quote this comment #15.2 Posted by Gus. on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:33
It looks as though the individual installers are kept here:
C:WINDOWS system32 config systemprofile Local Settings Application Data WindowsLiveInstaller MsiSources
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #16 Posted by Nexus- on 05 Sep 2007 - 21:51
need a-patch
(5 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #17 Posted by ozzieXP on 05 Sep 2007 - 22:27
I wonder when they'll actually do something worth saying WOW...
Quote this comment #17.1 Posted by NightmarE D on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:43
I wonder when some people will start realising that constantly bashing MS does no good
Quote this comment #17.2 Posted by ozzieXP on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:09
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I wonder when some people will start realising that constantly bashing MS does no good


my bad, i didn't realize i couldn't give my opinion. For your information I don't bash Microsoft, I was a beta tester and I gave them tons of ideas and agreed with many ... all of them were closed.
Quote this comment #17.3 Posted by NightmarE D on 06 Sep 2007 - 04:08
Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #17.2)
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #17.1)
I wonder when some people will start realising that constantly bashing MS does no good


my bad, i didn't realize i couldn't give my opinion. For your information I don't bash Microsoft, I was a beta tester and I gave them tons of ideas and agreed with many ... all of them were closed.


BLAH BLAH EXCUSE EXCUSE is all I read in that.

You make comments that make it look like you can't stand MS and their products. So why do you bother being a beta tester?

Doesn't make any sense at all.

Last edited by NightmarE D on 06 Sep 2007 - 04:14
Quote this comment #17.4 Posted by Morpheus Phreak on 06 Sep 2007 - 04:48
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #17.3)
Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #17.2)
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #17.1)
I wonder when some people will start realising that constantly bashing MS does no good


my bad, i didn't realize i couldn't give my opinion. For your information I don't bash Microsoft, I was a beta tester and I gave them tons of ideas and agreed with many ... all of them were closed.


BLAH BLAH EXCUSE EXCUSE is all I read in that.

You make comments that make it look like you can't stand MS and their products. So why do you bother being a beta tester?

Doesn't make any sense at all.


Because he wants to make the products better, that's why.

Now as for you, if all you have to contribute is criticizing a person who gives their opinion then do it elsewhere.

Comment on the topic at hand.
Quote this comment #17.5 Posted by ozzieXP on 11 Sep 2007 - 23:53
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #17.3)
Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #17.2)
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #17.1)
I wonder when some people will start realising that constantly bashing MS does no good


my bad, i didn't realize i couldn't give my opinion. For your information I don't bash Microsoft, I was a beta tester and I gave them tons of ideas and agreed with many ... all of them were closed.


BLAH BLAH EXCUSE EXCUSE is all I read in that.

You make comments that make it look like you can't stand MS and their products. So why do you bother being a beta tester?

Doesn't make any sense at all.


How old are you again?
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #18 Posted by Tantawi on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:27
Anybody is getting this message on Vista Ultimate x64:

"Windows Live programs can't be installed on this operating system"

When running "WLInstaller.exe"?
Quote this comment #18.1 Posted by Nexus- on 06 Sep 2007 - 02:10
http://digg.com/microsoft/Install_Windows_...64_the_hard_way
Quote this comment #18.2 Posted by Morpheus Phreak on 06 Sep 2007 - 05:20
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That would be a great guide if I could find the offset he's talking about.


When I use Resource Editor the offset doesn't match anything he's saying, nor does it match in resource hacker.



What program do you think he's using?


I found a Hex editor that will work, but the problem is that the program still doesn't put any of those items where he said it would

Last edited by Morpheus Phreak on 06 Sep 2007 - 06:41
(6 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #19 Posted by gonzo68 on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:27
Anyone been able to install them on Vista, I've download wlinstaller.exe but i got a message telling me that it does not work on this operating system.

I'm on Vista 64 too
Quote this comment #19.1 Posted by Tantawi on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:32
Yeah, see the comment above yours
Quote this comment #19.2 Posted by gonzo68 on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:41
I did post my comment almost as the same time as yours and edit it to mention i was also using vista ultimate 64. Dunno if it works on Vista at all
Quote this comment #19.3 Posted by Tantawi on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:44
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I did post my comment almost as the same time as yours and edit it to mention i was also using vista ultimate 64. Dunno if it works on Vista at all


no hard feelings bro, I were just saying "me too". Anyway yes it works on Vista 32bit as a some of my friends are using it now. Hopefully we will find a solution soon.
Quote this comment #19.4 Posted by gonzo68 on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:54
They will probably release a vista 64 compatible version in a couple of days.

I'm currently using some part of it and those 2 part are the one i would like to upgrade.
Windows Live Mail 12.0.1184
Windoes Live Messenger 8.5.1238

The rest i could use but not really need or want them.
Quote this comment #19.5 Posted by Morpheus Phreak on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:32
Quote - (gonzo68 said @ #19.4)
They will probably release a vista 64 compatible version in a couple of days.

I'm currently using some part of it and those 2 part are the one i would like to upgrade.
Windows Live Mail 12.0.1184
Windoes Live Messenger 8.5.1238

The rest i could use but not really need or want them.



The part about this that is really ****ing me off is that all of those apps work as standalone apps on Vista 64.

So the only thing that doesn't work is the installer.


Now the part that REALLY REALLY ****es me off about that is that Vista 64 still handles 32bit code natively, so why wouldn't it install?
Quote this comment #19.6 Posted by gonzo68 on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:46
I know the beta 1 of all those apps work perfectly on vista 64 but that dummy installer refuse to let us install the beta 2 of them.

If that dumb installer can't be fix so let us download them again as standalone.

But it's M$ ****, they will always find something new to make people mad at them
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #20 Posted by miguel_montes on 05 Sep 2007 - 23:37
WLM 8.5 changelog? Anyone?
(5 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #21 Posted by scaramonga on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:33
More MS bloat!
Quote this comment #21.1 Posted by NightmarE D on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:42
More MS bashing from someone who thinks their post means something
Quote this comment #21.2 Posted by gonzo68 on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:48
Quote - (scaramonga said @ #21)
More MS bloat!


Looks like you will never change
Quote this comment #21.3 Posted by ozzieXP on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:10
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #21.1)
More MS bashing from someone who thinks their post means something


Are you involved in the Live team somehow? I'm sorry if I "bashed" your product previously but apparently you cant take criticism. Either that or you are in love with Microsoft.
Quote this comment #21.4 Posted by NightmarE D on 06 Sep 2007 - 04:04
Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #21.3)
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #21.1)
More MS bashing from someone who thinks their post means something


Are you involved in the Live team somehow? I'm sorry if I "bashed" your product previously but apparently you cant take criticism. Either that or you are in love with Microsoft.


I'm neither actually. Just really tired of all the kids who don't know how to do anything besides bash stuff on forums.

You could be bashing the iPhone and I still would have said something similar and I don't even like the iPhone.

The constant bashing on here of MS, Apple and Linux just gets really immature and old. You all should find new hobbies.
Quote this comment #21.5 Posted by ozzieXP on 11 Sep 2007 - 23:55
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #21.4)
Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #21.3)
Quote - (NightmarE D said @ #21.1)
More MS bashing from someone who thinks their post means something


Are you involved in the Live team somehow? I'm sorry if I "bashed" your product previously but apparently you cant take criticism. Either that or you are in love with Microsoft.


I'm neither actually. Just really tired of all the kids who don't know how to do anything besides bash stuff on forums.

You could be bashing the iPhone and I still would have said something similar and I don't even like the iPhone.

The constant bashing on here of MS, Apple and Linux just gets really immature and old. You all should find new hobbies.


then apparently you love the world you live in.. now get off the internet.. find a wife and get some real problems instead of getting angry at people saying what they want to say.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #22 Posted by BeerBro on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:38
included is Windows Live Messenger 8.5.1288.816
and no more beta tags
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #23 Posted by YuriPavE on 06 Sep 2007 - 00:59
Notice that for Vista users, if you installed live mail, it will delete the Windows Mail program that come with Vista, don't know why they do that though... I prefer using Windows Mail instead of using live mail for newsgroup browsing

PS Just find out that the wlmail.exe is just being hidden, so that I can still open up Windows Mail

Last edited by YuriPavE on 06 Sep 2007 - 03:00
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #24 Posted by gonzoislost on 06 Sep 2007 - 01:29
windows live mail WILL replace windows mail
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #25 Posted by Maikel on 06 Sep 2007 - 02:04
It is not the final build of 8.5 .. its a Beta 2
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So... what's new in Messenger Beta 2?

If you downloaded our Beta 1 build, you may not think that much has changed. While the look and feel is almost the same, we listened to your feedback and fixed many of the top issues reported by our customers. THANK YOU to all of our beta testers who reported issues.


source: http://messengersays.spaces.live.com/

Quote this comment Reply to this comment #26 Posted by Justin03248 on 06 Sep 2007 - 11:46
It doesn't delete Windows Mail, just the shortcuts... go to program files folder.
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #27 Posted by fobban on 06 Sep 2007 - 12:24
Too bad the installer doesn't work with Vista x64. I really want the new version of Windows Live Writer...
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #28 Posted by Winlove on 06 Sep 2007 - 13:28
Wow Live msn 8.5 beta 2 avaible is really great i test =)
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #29 Posted by Tantawi on 06 Sep 2007 - 17:13
Windows Live Messenger full installer: works with x64 Vista!

http://rapidshare.com/files/53760192/Live_...16_20-_20EN.msi

Thanks to mess.be
Quote this comment Reply to this comment #30 Posted by seebaran on 06 Sep 2007 - 20:57
Ehhh....there's just this stigma and air of stiff, boring whatever from Microsoft's Windows Live brand that makes me pull away from the download page. Plus, MSN already had these things. Making a generic sounding brand just alienates me from caring.
(2 replies) Quote this comment Reply to this comment #31 Posted by hardgiant on 07 Sep 2007 - 07:46
Windows Live Photo Gallery vs. Windows Photo Gallery
Quote this comment #31.1 Posted by seebaran on 07 Sep 2007 - 16:40
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Windows Live Photo Gallery vs. Windows Photo Gallery


More brand confusion and alienation, courtesy of Microsoft.
Quote this comment #31.2 Posted by David3k on 08 Sep 2007 - 12:43
Man, MS really needs to learn just how powerful marketing done right can be.
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