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Intel claims silicon crown despite AMD Barcelona

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 10 September 2007 - 14:09 · 12 comments & 8987 views

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Intel is confident, with a few benchmark exceptions, that it will still have the fastest x86 processor in the market following today's launch of AMD's Barcelona Opteron processor. "We feel quite good about our performance," Kirk Skaugen, general manager for Intel's server platforms group, told vnunet.com in an interview on 5 September. AMD had claimed that its processor would outpace Intel's by 25 to 30 per cent on certain workloads.

The chipmaker has consistently highlighted Barcelona's performance on the SpecFP_rate2006 benchmark, which shows the performance of floating point calculations common in scientific modelling applications. But Skaugen argued that the benchmark represents only three per cent of the workloads in the enterprise, and that companies depend mostly on a chip's performance for Java, web, transaction and integer applications.

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(7 replies) #1 Lasker on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:14
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system
#1.1 Andre on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:31
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system


Wtf are you mumbling about?

First is idle, second is load.
Dual Opteron 2350 - 188W - 299.9W
Dual Xeon 5345 - 257W - 347.3W
#1.2 Arielz on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:42
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system



I think he just wants to start an AMD/Intel war....bleh.
#1.3 David3k on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:56
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system


What part of "Quad-Core Processor" don't you understand? Don't confuse this with their "Quad-Socket" Projects, which are completely different.

If you slap one of those Phenoms, that are coming out later, onto one of those 4x4 boards, also coming out later, you'll end up with a 16 core system...pretty sweet, considering the NUMA means that such a system will not be choked for internal system bandwidth, as it is designed to increase bandwidth for every core it has.
#1.4 kaiwai on 10 Sep 2007 - 16:18
Quote - (Arielz said @ #1.2)
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system



I think he just wants to start an AMD/Intel war....bleh.


Or the guy is an idiot.

The current Intel Quad core glues together two dual cores. AMD instead decided to take 4 single cores and create what they call a 'native quad core'. Their explanation is that it yields higher performance and reduced power consumption.

The question that needs to be asked, however, is whether the added complication actually benefited their processor design in the long run.

Take Sun's own T2 processor; sure, its got 8 cores but the cores are *very* basic in design, and hence, glueing them together was relatively easy. For some reason, however, if AMD does go the route of 'native 8 core' they're going to end up biting off more than they can chew unless of cource they majorly simplify their core design.
#1.5 JoeC on 10 Sep 2007 - 17:11
Quote - (David3k said @ #1.3)
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system


What part of "Quad-Core Processor" don't you understand? Don't confuse this with their "Quad-Socket" Projects, which are completely different.

If you slap one of those Phenoms, that are coming out later, onto one of those 4x4 boards, also coming out later, you'll end up with a 16 core system...pretty sweet, considering the NUMA means that such a system will not be choked for internal system bandwidth, as it is designed to increase bandwidth for every core it has.


Numa numa iei, numa numa numa iei, dragostea din tei?
#1.6 P1R4T3 on 10 Sep 2007 - 20:28
Quote - (JoeC said @ #1.5)
Quote - (David3k said @ #1.3)
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
Barcelona is bull**** all the way, this processor suck a lot of electricity because is using 4 independent processor with 4 fans. It is a power hungry system


What part of "Quad-Core Processor" don't you understand? Don't confuse this with their "Quad-Socket" Projects, which are completely different.

If you slap one of those Phenoms, that are coming out later, onto one of those 4x4 boards, also coming out later, you'll end up with a 16 core system...pretty sweet, considering the NUMA means that such a system will not be choked for internal system bandwidth, as it is designed to increase bandwidth for every core it has.


Numa numa iei, numa numa numa iei, dragostea din tei?


haha
#1.7 Star_Hunter on 10 Sep 2007 - 22:04

Or the guy is an idiot.

The current Intel Quad core glues together two dual cores. AMD instead decided to take 4 single cores and create what they call a 'native quad core'. Their explanation is that it yields higher performance and reduced power consumption.

The question that needs to be asked, however, is whether the added complication actually benefited their processor design in the long run.

Take Sun's own T2 processor; sure, its got 8 cores but the cores are *very* basic in design, and hence, glueing them together was relatively easy. For some reason, however, if AMD does go the route of 'native 8 core' they're going to end up biting off more than they can chew unless of cource they majorly simplify their core design.[/quote]

For 8 core AMD is going to be going to 2 die on one package like Intel does with their quad core. 45nm is too big to make affordable 8 core processors.
(2 replies) #2 shakey on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:53
i want to know how much these new procs are comparred to Intels c2q. Ive been waiting for these to come out before i upgrade to know which is the best bang for ma buck.
#2.1 David3k on 10 Sep 2007 - 15:57
Quote - (shakey said @ #2)
i want to know how much these new procs are comparred to Intels c2q. Ive been waiting for these to come out before i upgrade to know which is the best bang for ma buck.


Wait a little longer. This isn't quite ready for Desktop systems, great for servers, tho.

Phenom will be out soon, wait for those.
#2.2 kaiwai on 10 Sep 2007 - 16:19
Quote - (David3k said @ #2.1)
Quote - (shakey said @ #2)
i want to know how much these new procs are comparred to Intels c2q. Ive been waiting for these to come out before i upgrade to know which is the best bang for ma buck.


Wait a little longer. This isn't quite ready for Desktop systems, great for servers, tho.

Phenom will be out soon, wait for those.


Sun's AMD workstations are pretty cheap; don't be surprised if you see them in there in the next month once they come into volume.
#3 n_K on 11 Sep 2007 - 22:02
fastest x86 processor ? rubbish, IBM set that with the 500Ghz and possibly 1Thz processor they cooled with liquid nitrogen

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