Microsoft has 2 & 1/2 days left until Summer ends and the first day of fall officially starts. and still no word on what or if anything is happening with Ultimate Extras. The Ultimate Extra blog still hasn't been updated since July 2nd when it said it intended to deliver DreamScene and the Language Packs by the end of summer.
News source: In House
"We intend to ship Windows DreamScene and the remaining 20 Language Packs by the end of the summer. We will not ship the last two Extras showcased in January (Windows DreamScene and the remaining 20 Language Packs) until they meet the high quality bar required by our enthusiastic customers—and we believe that we can achieve that bar by the end of this summer".I don't know about you, but I am beginning to think they won't make it. It's a real shame that a huge corporation fails to keep its Software users up-to-date on whats going on with the development of the extras.
















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Thanks Neobond..
http://windowsultimate.com/blogs/announcements/contact.aspx
It was never really throughly tested or an officially supported product.
After the big security push Microsoft no longer distributes unofficial employee created products on its website.
So Powertoys are dead.
Kidding about what? You think it's alright for corporations to make blatantly false statements and then just slide off as if nothing is wrong? They basically lied to everyone who bought the Ultimate edition expecting to receive "cutting-edge programs", "innovative services" and "unique publications"? How much of that has turned out to be completely false lies?
Kidding about what? You think it's alright for corporations to make blatantly false statements and then just slide off as if nothing is wrong? They basically lied to everyone who bought the Ultimate edition expecting to receive "cutting-edge programs", "innovative services" and "unique publications"? How much of that has turned out to be completely false lies?
Dreamscene and language packs are cutting edge and innovative and worthy of making a fuss?
Methinks somebody's MS-bashing just to be on the bandwagon.
As I've said before, anyone who's bought Ultimate just because of the extras is an idiot. I still stand by that assertion today. Exactly what type of "cutting edge programs" did you expect?
So anybody that bought Vista Ultimate for one of the main advertised features is an idiot? I'm sorry but that is just ridiculous. Microsoft deceived users and people are rightly annoyed. Heck, they release Powertoys for XP and yet they've barely done any better for Ultimate Extra despite hyping it up.
Kidding about what? You think it's alright for corporations to make blatantly false statements and then just slide off as if nothing is wrong? They basically lied to everyone who bought the Ultimate edition expecting to receive "cutting-edge programs", "innovative services" and "unique publications"? How much of that has turned out to be completely false lies?
Dreamscene and language packs are cutting edge and innovative and worthy of making a fuss?
Methinks somebody's MS-bashing just to be on the bandwagon.
As I've said before, anyone who's bought Ultimate just because of the extras is an idiot. I still stand by that assertion today. Exactly what type of "cutting edge programs" did you expect?
If you didn't notice, I pulled those terms off the Vista marketing materials. I think people expected Microsoft to keep their commitments. I think anyone who lets companies lie and cheat them are weak pushovers. You are always in control in a company/customer relationship, don't let Microsoft dictate the terms. They should be fined for their deceptive marketing practices (to the tune of a few billion dollars) and only then will they begin to realize that their crooked ways are not acceptable.
Remember the Plus pack for 95? For XP? I never for one second deluded myself believing those Ultimate "extras" would turn out be anything more than that pointless crap. The announcement of DreamScene way back when only served to confirmed that.
So I'm gonna ask my question again: Exactly what type of "cutting edge programs" did you expect this time around? Y'know, some *must have* feature that won't work on or won't be backported to any other Vista version?
Seriously...do I have to spell it out? If it's a "must have" feature that's actually useful and nobody can live without it and it makes everybody's job easier, there's no way it's gonna be an exclusive. No way. From the get-go, those Extras could only possibly turn out to be fluff.
> I pulled those terms off the Vista marketing materials
So you've been had. Sounds like that was pretty easy.
> I think anyone who lets companies lie and cheat them are weak pushovers
...and I think you need to understand how marketing works. This is nothing new--for Microsoft, or anybody else. Don't confuse marketing material and press releases with binding legal agreements. No offense, but I'll take a guess--you're still in high school, with a twinkle in your eye and ready to change the world for the better, right?
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Doubt it will happen though.
It may be false advertising on MS part if they don't offer anything new during the life of Vista.
My guess is that at least 63% of all statistics is made up on the spot when they aren't backed by facts.
Yes, it could be 1%, but maybe just as likely 15.32% or 26.71% that saw it as a contributing factor when deciding between the editions instead of just going Business or Home Premium, and then it suddenly becomes much more of a problem here.
Language packs should not be ultimate extras, but essential upgrades to the countries needed, and free additions to other countries (eg if you were a French speaking citizen in Russia for example, and wanted Vista in French)
Well SP1 is due out in early 2008
I suppose MS will call that a xtra
Language pack????????? wtf???
I really regret buying Ultimate now as I could of quite easily just got Premium
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I don't know about you, but I am beginning to think they won't make it. It's a real shame that a huge corporation fails to keep its software users up-to-date on what's going on with the development of the extras.
Ok - I partially agree with you - but I paid a lot of money for a product that doesn't do what it says on the tin.
is M$ going to refund me some cash - dont think so
I somewhat care as the extras was an added extra cost also care that the extras was promised and also the extras was 1 (one) of the ultimate selling points. That being said I feel somewhat Ripped off.
What a way to crap on Microsoft for no reason. Where unprofessional journalism looks better,... Well not always!
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Face it, Microsoft screwed it's customers.
im a vista ultimate user and i do not expect anything that a full of lies and broken promises for ultimate extras. Besides nothing interesting here in those extras anyways
You know how well the Nvidia one went over. http://www.nvidiaclassaction.org/
I'm not sure where you're getting this information. In checking my "Reliability Monitor" I don't see any of these issues where applications are crashing all the time.
The only 'crashes' I'm receiving on Vista x64 is the Beta TF2 client crashing. Otherwise, over the last month it's been the beta Trillian client that's crashing...
Otherwise, the only 'issue' I've found with Vista is that games don't usually have the same FPS as with other versions of Windows. However, with every release of my NVidia graphics driver... It only seems to get better.
I'd love to talk to your contacts that hate Vista and have many problems with it. Out of the 100 or so people I've talked to personally about it, only 1 was unhappy, and he was using a bootleg copy, so I didn't care what he thought.
And yes, I've thought that it could be one of the apps that I've installed (or my friends, family, co-workers). But even on a fresh install, I still have apps like WMP crash out of no where. I'm pretty sure Microsoft makes WMP, don't they?
And yes, I've thought that it could be one of the apps that I've installed (or my friends, family, co-workers). But even on a fresh install, I still have apps like WMP crash out of no where. I'm pretty sure Microsoft makes WMP, don't they?
And what were you doing when it crashed? There's always an explanation
People paid for these "promises" on top of it all. Just pathetic Microsoft. But then again, they are experts at stealing from us.
XPMCE with domain hack is the perfect OS for me right now.
OH JOY! xD!!!
"Language Packs" as a bonus extra, typical Microsoft
Although they are definitely not keeping up with what they said they would, it's your own damn fault if you bought Ultimate just for the Extras. They were never supposed to be a sole selling point for Ultimate, just a nice bonus for paying for the top version.
The whole point of Ultimate is it's Enterprise + Home Premium. If you're not going to use the Enterprise features, get Home Premium!
As to the extras - meh, not that big a deal since my copy was free from my MSDN Universal subscription.
Wasn't the Hold 'Em game an "extra?" Love that game - more fun when you customize your virtual opponents!
I agree with others saying language packs should be free for any Vista, and I STILL wait for my language pack, which wasn't on the updates and hasn't been released yet.
I disagree with people complaining about Vista unstability or programs crashing, or many people unsatisfied with it (Hurmoth), as I've read posts from Poof and GreyWolfSC - I join gladly the pack of satisfied (well with stability and responsiviness NOT with the Ultimate Extras) customers !
My Vista is ROCK SOLID and FAST, running 24/day, uptimes range from 5~20-30 days (because I do update my ATI drivers). The drivers are (now) great (excluding CRAPPY CREATIVE, but I use KX Drivers anyway). ATI and NVIDIA is improving them fast and are now nearly perfect, no differences for me (or it's hardly noticable 1-5 fps difference) on the performance in-game.
I've noticed alot of the PC OEMs have no clue when it comes to setting up a PC with Vista on it. For instance, a friend of mine bought a Toshiba laptop with Vista on it recently, and that thing CRAWLED. I spent a few hours cleaning out the crap software that Toshiba had installed, and put all the drivers on (Toshiba didn't even bother to install decent drivers for half the hardware), and after I was done, it ran fine.
After experiencing that I can see why people would say they don't like Vista - even though it wasn't the OSes fault at all...
As for my own experience, I've been running Vista dual-boot since last December. At first it was horrible thanks to the lack of driver support for my RAID controller and GPU. It was terribly slow and unstable for anything besides web browsing, but now that software's been updated and the drivers are pretty much complete, it runs very smoothly now. So smoothly, in fact, that last weekend I wiped out my XP install and now I'm running Vista x64 exclusively - and I've not had a single problem since (well, getting the network drivers for my 5 year old printer installed was a bit of a hassle, but I got it eventually).
I find Vista great if I ever get problems with it I'm able to fix it.
I'm even running the x64 edition
Funny that I've been having debates with people who think they're "tech savvy" but end up trashing Vista over exaggerated/untrue/FUD points. Maybe if more people actually gave it a chance they would have an opinion on it.
Funny that I've been having debates with people who think they're "tech savvy" but end up trashing Vista over exaggerated/untrue/FUD points. Maybe if more people actually gave it a chance they would have an opinion on it.
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I consider myself a very knowledgeable about computers and I work as a PC Technician. I much prefer Vista to XP after getting used to it since Beta 1. I think the majority of issues people have is because they are not giving it a fair chance and expect it to work the exact same way as XP. If you want an operating system the same as XP, then use XP. Don't expect Vista to be a clone of XP.
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There are a few people like that floating around the Neowin forums. They usually refer to themselves as "Pro" or "Power" users.
There are a few people like that floating around the Neowin forums. They usually refer to themselves as "Pro" or "Power" users.
it makes their E-PENIS BIGGER
Windows 2008
Vista SP1 (based off 2008 Server)
DirectX 10.1
Visual Studio 2008
SQL 2008
Im sure all those teams = alot of people
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You can't polish a turd, no matter how much money you throw at it.
I purchased Vista Ultimate not for the extras, but for the ability to have Media Center functionality, along with IIS and RDP capabilities. I could care less about the extras, and in fact knew nothing about them until after installation.
What does having write priviliges over system files have to do with "own"ing an OS. Nothing. Except they both use the word "own" but in slightly different contexts.
You claim system files are locked ownership with no workaround. I would like to consider myself a technical user (I've worked in tech support for quite a few years part-time including extensive work in programming and a fair bit of OS "hacking" etc) and so far I've come across no issues with Vista. Yes, you do need to take control of some system files that you may edit, ooooooooh, ONCE? and that 99% of users never should edit and should be actively protected against viral influences?!?!?
Just Google "system file ownership" (http://www.ocmodshop.com/ocmodshop.aspx?a=851 is the top result) and see if that helps.
Anyway, your post seems to imply you won't by an OS from Microsoft, because they still "own" your files -- at least, that's the only interpretation that would justify why you shouldn't by an OS, yet that isn't true because your computer OWNS your own files, right?!
Microsoft don't supply you with the Vista source code either, does that mean you don't "own" it too?
You claim you won't "ever" buy an OS. I find this hard to believe. Already Microsoft are making pirates lives very difficult. With Product Activation and now WGA, and who knows what more is to come, pirated copies of Windows are heavily disabled.
At the end of the day, I use Vista on both my main machines. It's as stable and rock solid as XP, yet I still have many grievances with it... Mainly the fact that there doesn't APPEAR to be much difference between it and XP and you kind of have to wonder what Microsoft had been tinkering with for those 5+ years.
If you're going to knock Vista, have a good reason -- and don't make sweeping statements like you'll never buy an OS!
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