Third Party Applications for iPhone and iPod touch coming

(3 replies) #1 Glassed Silver on 17 Oct 2007 - 23:39

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I guess no one told Jobs about the vulnerabilities already discovered for the iPhone, SDK or not. Jokes aside though, are you happy with Apple's move?

I guess they aren't aiming towards actually breaking that off 100%ly.
They are trying not to deliver software that would make coding malicious code easier than it already is.

i find this move a smart step, especially since we will be able to see the iPod touch and iPhone even more as a personal computer in mini-size rather than just a PDA, smart phone, mobile entertaining device.

Glassed Silver:mac

#1.1 whocares78 on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:20

how is it gogn to be different to every other phone on the market that already has SDK's, e.g. PDA's, smart phones, it is no different, they arent going to be 'more' like a PC than any other phone or PDA. they are basically just catching up to what the other phones can do, FINALLY, next they might even stick 3 G in ther and allow you to customise your ring tones, what a revolutionary idea that will be.

#1.2 XerXis on 18 Oct 2007 - 06:24

[quote=Glassed Silver said,#1][quote]I guess no one told Jobs about the vulnerabilities already discovered for the more as a personal computer in mini-size rather than just a PDA, smart phone, mobile entertaining device.

Glassed Silver:mac[/quote]

i wonder what your definition of a pda is then :s. Untill apple releases this sdk i don't see the ipod as a pda, after that, maybe... It all depends if the third party software needs to be signed by apple or not

#1.3 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:04

[quote=XerXis said,#1.2][quote=Glassed Silver said,#1][quote]I guess no one told Jobs about the vulnerabilities already discovered for the more as a personal computer in mini-size rather than just a PDA, smart phone, mobile entertaining device.

Glassed Silver:mac[/quote]

i wonder what your definition of a pda is then :s. Untill apple releases this sdk i don't see the ipod as a pda, after that, maybe... It all depends if the third party software needs to be signed by apple or not[/quote]

Apple are intending the device to be more iPod like than PC or PDA, this will involve a lot of digital signing and such to prevent malware and hacking (ie trying to unlock the phone).

#2 SkyyPunk on 18 Oct 2007 - 00:11

Awesome idea!

(3 replies) #3 bibutteryboy on 18 Oct 2007 - 00:26

It's not an "awesome" idea. It's something that should have been done from the beginning. Let's not give credit to Apple for this.

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In response to wide criticism

If Apple had thier way without ****ing off everyone, there wouldn't even be discussion of third party apps.

#3.1 whocares78 on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:14

+1

it's not even apples 'IDEA' microsoft came up with it about 20 odd years ago

#3.2 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:03

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it's not even apples 'IDEA' microsoft came up with it about 20 odd years ago

What planet are you from? Microsoft was persuaded to do application software first by Apple for the Apple II and Mac! Microsoft were an OS/Codebase company first!

#3.3 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:06

Apple have been talking about adding third party apps for about a year, they just didn't figure out a way to do it. Go back and read some quotes. Or this article, which will do it for you... RoughlyDrafted.

#4 Joseph21 on 18 Oct 2007 - 00:31

they are scare of the nokia touch phone, the resurrection of the 7710

(4 replies) #5 and1direct on 18 Oct 2007 - 00:45

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Jokes aside though, are you happy with Apple's move?

No. Because more and more mobile developers will now focus on making iPhone applications only while leaving Java/Symbian/etc out in the dark.

#5.1 whocares78 on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:16

so developers are goign to code up applications for 1 model of phone rather than every other model of phone, hello it is called customer base, of which apple has very little of the phone market so why woudl developers only develop for it, they woudl loose a hell of a lot of potential customers.

#5.2 and1direct on 18 Oct 2007 - 18:48

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so developers are goign to code up applications for 1 model of phone rather than every other model of phone, hello it is called customer base, of which apple has very little of the phone market so why woudl developers only develop for it, they woudl loose a hell of a lot of potential customers.

NOW they have a small market share....

Wait one or 2 years...

#5.3 whocares78 on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:56

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so developers are goign to code up applications for 1 model of phone rather than every other model of phone, hello it is called customer base, of which apple has very little of the phone market so why woudl developers only develop for it, they woudl loose a hell of a lot of potential customers.

NOW they have a small market share....

Wait one or 2 years...

yeah in a year or two the one model of phone is going to dominate a market with hundreds of models of phones. when theat phone doesn't even have half the features of the other phone

DREAM ON DUDE, and come down to earth , the iPhone really aint that great

#5.4 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:09

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so developers are goign to code up applications for 1 model of phone rather than every other model of phone, hello it is called customer base, of which apple has very little of the phone market so why woudl developers only develop for it, they woudl loose a hell of a lot of potential customers.

NOW they have a small market share....

Wait one or 2 years...

yeah in a year or two the one model of phone is going to dominate a market with hundreds of models of phones. when theat phone doesn't even have half the features of the other phone

DREAM ON DUDE, and come down to earth , the iPhone really aint that great

Hello, I was just writing to inform you that the one model of phone is also the same platform as the new top of the range iPod digital media player, the most popular in the entire world, and as such anyone developing iPhone applications will also be on thousands of wifi capable iPods. Yeah, kthx.

#6 MGS4-SS on 18 Oct 2007 - 01:32

This deserves a big: YES!!!!!!

#7 Code.Red on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:06

All I really want is Flash capabilities in the Safari browser. This is the main reason why I don't really want to buy an iPod touch yet; I'm afraid that this capability will only be featured in a whole new product, not in a firmware update.

But anyway, I'm happy to see them releasing an SDK, even if it's going to take some time and should have been released simultaneously with their respective products.

#8 Gabe3 on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:10

I'm going to buy a itouch tomorrow, and have been researching them for the past few days, this is icing on the cake. For another $99 bucks I could get the iphone and say I have a "iphone" but I would rather keep a phone and pda/multimedia device separate, in case say the mic on the iphone goes bad then I gotta replace the whole thing, and unlock the sim card or whatever all over again.

(1 reply) #9 idoia on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:17

to be honest I'm afraid this will use this as an excuse to CHARGE YOU for every app you download!

#9.1 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:12

Yeah, lousy developers, needing food, garg don't we hate humanity.

#10 whocares78 on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:23

From yesterdays security issue post on H.d. Moores findings

"I think the iPhone is pretty terrible. It's an easy platform to exploit," he said. Part of that, he went on, is because exploiting any iPhone application gives root access to the entire phone.

and SDK will only make it less secure and easier to exploit. root access and all

#11 MioTheGreat on 18 Oct 2007 - 02:59

Still no 802.1x support.....

#12 carmatic on 18 Oct 2007 - 03:56

well its a nice break from bricking your phone from installing apps then upgrading the firmware....

#13 Magallanes on 18 Oct 2007 - 13:39

Translating..

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It will take until February to release an SDK because we’re trying to do two diametrically opposed things at once

Damn we will need to work overtime!.

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—provide an advanced and open platform to developers

In this part i say nothing.

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while at the same time protect iPhone users from viruses, malware, privacy attacks, etc.,”

Do you want to program in c++ natively?.. yeah sure but we must avoid that you put viruses on it, and viruses is : to be able to touch "sensitives files" such mp3, videos, contact and such. Do you known about flash?, no, then you must! :-P

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(10 replies) #14 EJocys on 18 Oct 2007 - 13:43

Strange, when I read "Steve Jobs announced" something I always have this image of large crowd of Apple fans screaming like they have just experienced biggest orgasm in their life.

"HTC TyTN II" is way much better and more advanced than some crippled iPhone.

#14.1 LTD on 18 Oct 2007 - 14:22

Yeah, if you like a phone that looks like ass. The fold out keyboard is laughable. might have looked good in 1998.

Further proof that the competition can't design their way out of a paper-bag.

Anyway, the iPhone will quickly overtake the competition. By 2nd gen it'll be unbeatable, just like the iPod Touch. The iPhone will become the highest iteration of the "mobile phone", just as the Touch has become the highest iteration of the "mp3 player."

All the talent is in Cupertino, CA. It's a different mindset there, a different attitude. Apple sets the bar, and the others try to reach it. Someday that might change, but Apple is so far ahead of the game, that even a phone with somewhat pared-down features (for the moment) has so completely and utterly captured the imaginations of consumers.

#14.2 RAID 0 on 18 Oct 2007 - 16:30

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Yeah, if you like a phone that looks like ass. The fold out keyboard is laughable. might have looked good in 1998.

Further proof that the competition can't design their way out of a paper-bag.

Anyway, the iPhone will quickly overtake the competition. By 2nd gen it'll be unbeatable, just like the iPod Touch. The iPhone will become the highest iteration of the "mobile phone", just as the Touch has become the highest iteration of the "mp3 player."

All the talent is in Cupertino, CA. It's a different mindset there, a different attitude. Apple sets the bar, and the others try to reach it. Someday that might change, but Apple is so far ahead of the game, that even a phone with somewhat pared-down features (for the moment) has so completely and utterly captured the imaginations of consumers.

#14.3 and1direct on 18 Oct 2007 - 21:43

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Yeah, if you like a phone that looks like ass. The fold out keyboard is laughable. might have looked good in 1998.

Further proof that the competition can't design their way out of a paper-bag.

Anyway, the iPhone will quickly overtake the competition. By 2nd gen it'll be unbeatable, just like the iPod Touch. The iPhone will become the highest iteration of the "mobile phone", just as the Touch has become the highest iteration of the "mp3 player."

All the talent is in Cupertino, CA. It's a different mindset there, a different attitude. Apple sets the bar, and the others try to reach it. Someday that might change, but Apple is so far ahead of the game, that even a phone with somewhat pared-down features (for the moment) has so completely and utterly captured the imaginations of consumers.

Don't kid yourself my friend. Here is the truth:

iPhone Truth

#14.4 Gabe3 on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:42

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Yeah, if you like a phone that looks like ass. The fold out keyboard is laughable. might have looked good in 1998.

Further proof that the competition can't design their way out of a paper-bag.

Anyway, the iPhone will quickly overtake the competition. By 2nd gen it'll be unbeatable, just like the iPod Touch. The iPhone will become the highest iteration of the "mobile phone", just as the Touch has become the highest iteration of the "mp3 player."

All the talent is in Cupertino, CA. It's a different mindset there, a different attitude. Apple sets the bar, and the others try to reach it. Someday that might change, but Apple is so far ahead of the game, that even a phone with somewhat pared-down features (for the moment) has so completely and utterly captured the imaginations of consumers.

Don't kid yourself my friend. Here is the truth:

iPhone Truth

scew that nokia E70, like I really want to pay for and carry around 2gb SD cards.

Fact: some dumb ass made that site who is striving for attention from anyone who will give it to him.

#14.5 whocares78 on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:58

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Yeah, if you like a phone that looks like ass. The fold out keyboard is laughable. might have looked good in 1998.

Further proof that the competition can't design their way out of a paper-bag.

Anyway, the iPhone will quickly overtake the competition. By 2nd gen it'll be unbeatable, just like the iPod Touch. The iPhone will become the highest iteration of the "mobile phone", just as the Touch has become the highest iteration of the "mp3 player."

All the talent is in Cupertino, CA. It's a different mindset there, a different attitude. Apple sets the bar, and the others try to reach it. Someday that might change, but Apple is so far ahead of the game, that even a phone with somewhat pared-down features (for the moment) has so completely and utterly captured the imaginations of consumers.

LMAO

the reason they domiante the MP3 player market is because they bascially invented it. the ohone market is entirely different and i dount they will get even a 10% market share

#14.6 whistlerxp on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:13

[quote=whocares78 said,#14.5][quote=LTD said,#14.1]
LMAO

the reason they domiante the MP3 player market is because they bascially invented it. the ohone market is entirely different and i dount they will get even a 10% market share[/quote]

Steve Jobs is determined, he didn't knock $200 off the price for profit.

#14.7 carmatic on 19 Oct 2007 - 16:19

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the reason they domiante the MP3 player market is because they bascially invented it.

oh really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3_player#History maybe you should spend some time out of apple-land and get some fresh air once in a while...

#14.8 carmatic on 19 Oct 2007 - 16:24

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Fact: some dumb ass made that site who is striving for attention from anyone who will give it to him.

no, the fact is that he wouldnt bother making the site in the first place if there was no reason to... there really was an excessive amount of marketing from apple about their iphone , not less headed by steve jobs himself, and Maddox just happens to be anti-advertising , anti-marketing and anti-propoganda

#14.9 whocares78 on 20 Oct 2007 - 00:10

[quote=whistlerxp said,#14.6][quote=whocares78 said,#14.5][quote=LTD said,#14.1]
LMAO

the reason they domiante the MP3 player market is because they bascially invented it. the ohone market is entirely different and i dount they will get even a 10% market share[/quote]

Steve Jobs is determined, he didn't knock $200 off the price for profit.[/quote]

so you still don't get a free one with your plan ???

#14.10 whocares78 on 20 Oct 2007 - 00:23

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the reason they domiante the MP3 player market is because they bascially invented it.

oh really? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mp3_player#History maybe you should spend some time out of apple-land and get some fresh air once in a while...

i know

when i say basically, i mean they where the ones who took it to market and made MP3 players polular and mainstream, only the techy nerds, and the odd young person new what an MP3 was before the iPod, and not many people at all actually had any sort of MP3 player, now everyone knows what an MP3 is and half the world has an MP3 player, even though i hate the stupid things i have to admit they made MP3 what it is today, when i say they created the market it is different to created the fist ever one on the market, remember they where the times when even the RIAA wasn't that worried about mp3, and you could google any song you wanted adn find a webpage with it sitting there for download.

Therefore iPhones are are competely different story as the Mobile Market is long established, every man and his dog seems to have one and there are a lot of BIG players to compete with

p.s. 'spend time out of apple land', I CAN'T STAND APPLE, the only good thing apple does is marketing and making stuff look pretty

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