To further promote the release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, which Apple Incorporated has announced will be available on October 26, the company has posted a guide tour to promote the release of the latest version of its operating system. The video goes through various features, old and new, of the OS available only on the Macintosh. A single-user license costs $129.00 direct from Apple while a five-user license will set you back just $199.00. Customers who pre-order OS X v10.5 from Apple are guaranteed to have their copy on their doorstep on the day of release, which is now just a week away.
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How about trying to post without rolling your eyes and actually say something useful?
A lot of the Mac users I've seen have also said that all these changes seem very small and not as big as Apple has made it out to be. I've also seen more Mac users talk about how more than a few of these changes are clearly taken from Vista. Like the semi-transparent menu bar. Apple says it's usless eye-candy on Vista then they turn around and put a similar thing on OS X. Even the new grass wallpaper looked like it came out of the Vista beta.
Drop the "Apple is better than everyone else" attitude. It gets really old.
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How about trying to post without rolling your eyes and actually say something useful?
A lot of the Mac users I've seen have also said that all these changes seem very small and not as big as Apple has made it out to be. I've also seen more Mac users talk about how more than a few of these changes are clearly taken from Vista. Like the semi-transparent menu bar. Apple says it's usless eye-candy on Vista then they turn around and put a similar thing on OS X. Even the new grass wallpaper looked like it came out of the Vista beta.
Drop the "Apple is better than everyone else" attitude. It gets really old.
Sure, if you take the minority of OS X users, and the majority of Windows users who don't get it, nor should they really care. There's a transparent menu bar. Whoop-dee-doo. One little thing that may or may not have been inspired by Vista.
And clearly you didn't even watch the start of this video, since you think Leopard still has the grass wallpaper.
Leopard does, admittedly, have some similar features to Vista's. But didn't Vista have some features similar to OS X? It's a natural cycle: one OS implements something, the opposing OS tries to improve on the idea.
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How about trying to post without rolling your eyes and actually say something useful?
A lot of the Mac users I've seen have also said that all these changes seem very small and not as big as Apple has made it out to be. I've also seen more Mac users talk about how more than a few of these changes are clearly taken from Vista. Like the semi-transparent menu bar. Apple says it's usless eye-candy on Vista then they turn around and put a similar thing on OS X. Even the new grass wallpaper looked like it came out of the Vista beta.
Drop the "Apple is better than everyone else" attitude. It gets really old.
Sure, if you take the minority of OS X users, and the majority of Windows users who don't get it, nor should they really care. There's a transparent menu bar. Whoop-dee-doo. One little thing that may or may not have been inspired by Vista.
And clearly you didn't even watch the start of this video, since you think Leopard still has the grass wallpaper.
Leopard does, admittedly, have some similar features to Vista's. But didn't Vista have some features similar to OS X? It's a natural cycle: one OS implements something, the opposing OS tries to improve on the idea.
That, and the fact that the features that have been added, alot of them are 'consumer marketable' - case in point would be the changes in the scheduler, better threading and process handling. Having chatted to people who have the latest build, there are improvements all over it.
NEVER, EVER compare Neowin to THAT site.
Will definately buy Leopard when it comes out.
I'm a very happy Mac user these days
Too bad it requires Quicktime. I finally got completely fed up with Quicktime when its updater started trying to trick people into downloading iTunes.
Typically a "review" comes out when the product has been released and "reviewers" have had time to properly evaluate said product.
As for quicktime... get yourself VLC and then you won't have to worry what format a video is in. Are you from 2002 or something?
Who gives a dam what format a video is in!
As for quicktime... get yourself VLC and then you won't have to worry what format a video is in. Are you from 2002 or something?
Who gives a dam what format a video is in!
Not to mention the fact that Microsoft distributes all of its videos in wmv, which can't be played on Linux or OS X. At least .mov files are able to be played on Windows.
.mov (QuickTime) files can be played on Windows.... once you download the free player.
Just like you can download a free player to play Windows Media Video (.wmv) on OS X.
.mov (QuickTime) files can be played on Windows.... once you download the free player.
Just like you can download a free player to play Windows Media Video (.wmv) on OS X.
Hmm, I think the end of yours got cut off as well. You meant to say that you can play "Windows Media Video (.wmv) on OS X... using an outdated player from Microsoft, or an ugly, unofficial hack that sort of hooks into QuickTime, but does so badly."
Five User License = Can be installed on 5 Macs in the same residence.
No need to roll your eyes. The person was just asking a simple question. No reason to act immature.
No need to roll your eyes. The person was just asking a simple question. No reason to act immature.
Immature? sorry, the person asked a stupid question; its like saying "Windows XP has a 10 connection limit" then asking whether thats the number of devices. Its pretty easy to understand, single licence, one installation, family licence, 5 installations.
WHY WON'T THEY GO AWAY?
With the exception of OSX and some of their desktops everything Apple makes is pretty overpriced junk with high failure rates. They are also a company bent on profit at the expense of ethics.
With the exception of OSX and some of their desktops everything Apple makes is pretty overpriced junk with high failure rates. They are also a company bent on profit at the expense of ethics.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=news
At the end of the day, innovation and quality are what matters. You're in the minority, ANova . . or rather, unfortunate Windows majority. Time to trade up.
I don't exactly know how they are being "unethical". I would never own any of their products (I think they're over-rated across the board), but I'm perfectly happy investing in their stock as they've made me a decent amount of money over the years. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not investing because they're ethical. I couldn't care less. I'd have a problem if they made billions off pornography, tortured kittens for fun, or ran an arms-dealing business on the side, but given that they aren't doing any of that or acting like Enron, I don't see any reason to complain. Their only problem is overzealous supporters, but that's why they are making the aforementioned billions (and thus why I have no problem with them).
With the exception of OSX and some of their desktops everything Apple makes is pretty overpriced junk with high failure rates. They are also a company bent on profit at the expense of ethics.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=news
At the end of the day, innovation and quality are what matters. You're in the minority, ANova . . or rather, unfortunate Windows majority. Time to trade up.
So, at the end of the day.. quality is what matters? Not being locked into a hardware scheme loaded with a cult-like following? What about upgrades? Hey LTD, how do I upgrade a video card in a iMac or Mac mini? I'd really like to know. What about upgrading the CPU? Sure, you can load up a new OS, but NOT HARDWARE.
Last question. If Jobs asked to tickle your insides with his "tool", would you let him? I got 5 to 1 saying you would.
Well, yeah, that is generally what people want in a product.
I dunno, my brother isn't part of this "cult" you speak of, and I don't believe myself to be despite what people will say.
No, but how hard do you think that is in a desktop from HP or Dell? Most of the time, it is impossible. That's the consumer desktop market for you. If you like the homebrew thing, than stick with Windows or Linux.
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See above answer.
Do you know how old these jokes are getting? They weren't even funny the first time.
Hey.. no Apple fan is ever going to defend the fact that the lack of hardware upgrade options is a pain in the ass. But its not like you're completely stuck anyway. Memory and HDD can be upgraded just fine, and in fact in the Mac Mini you CAN upgrade the CPU just fine.. though obviously not with Apples blessing. I mean you choose two machines that are sold specifically not to be taken apart as your example, when Apple does at least sell the Mac Pro which you can chop and change stuff around on like graphics cards, etc. If you need to upgrade the guts then buy a Mac Pro. The beauty of Apple stuff of course is that it commands a good premium second hand so when you've finally decided you want to upgrade you get a good percentage back for your old kit on eBay for to put towards a new machine.
Not everyone cares about homebrewing their hardware. I do and have done for years.. but i'm willing to make the trade off and have something in a "sealed box" that doesnt make me shout at the damn computer for its ridiculous quirks and inadequacies.
lol - stuck into a software upgrading scheme then with Windows instead?
Comments like that just null and void any weight to your (already flimsy) argument!
God - this Windows fanboy trolling is beyond belief. You guys keep going with Windows - good on you. I'll use what I prefer thanks. Thanks to Linux and thanks to companies like Apple I have the luxury of choice..
Not true, the monopoly trial in America was based on the browser monopoly of Internet Explorer over Netscape. It wouldn't matter if Apple had lived or died.
Hey.. no Apple fan is ever going to defend the fact that the lack of hardware upgrade options is a pain in the ass. But its not like you're completely stuck anyway. Memory and HDD can be upgraded just fine, and in fact in the Mac Mini you CAN upgrade the CPU just fine.. though obviously not with Apples blessing. I mean you choose two machines that are sold specifically not to be taken apart as your example, when Apple does at least sell the Mac Pro which you can chop and change stuff around on like graphics cards, etc. If you need to upgrade the guts then buy a Mac Pro. The beauty of Apple stuff of course is that it commands a good premium second hand so when you've finally decided you want to upgrade you get a good percentage back for your old kit on eBay for to put towards a new machine.
Not everyone cares about homebrewing their hardware. I do and have done for years.. but i'm willing to make the trade off and have something in a "sealed box" that doesnt make me shout at the damn computer for its ridiculous quirks and inadequacies.
lol - stuck into a software upgrading scheme then with Windows instead?
Comments like that just null and void any weight to your (already flimsy) argument!
God - this Windows fanboy trolling is beyond belief. You guys keep going with Windows - good on you. I'll use what I prefer thanks. Thanks to Linux and thanks to companies like Apple I have the luxury of choice..
I use XP, Ubuntu 7.10, and OS X, thanks. I like them all.
Hey.. no Apple fan is ever going to defend the fact that the lack of hardware upgrade options is a pain in the ass. But its not like you're completely stuck anyway. Memory and HDD can be upgraded just fine, and in fact in the Mac Mini you CAN upgrade the CPU just fine.. though obviously not with Apples blessing. I mean you choose two machines that are sold specifically not to be taken apart as your example, when Apple does at least sell the Mac Pro which you can chop and change stuff around on like graphics cards, etc. If you need to upgrade the guts then buy a Mac Pro. The beauty of Apple stuff of course is that it commands a good premium second hand so when you've finally decided you want to upgrade you get a good percentage back for your old kit on eBay for to put towards a new machine.
Not everyone cares about homebrewing their hardware. I do and have done for years.. but i'm willing to make the trade off and have something in a "sealed box" that doesnt make me shout at the damn computer for its ridiculous quirks and inadequacies.
lol - stuck into a software upgrading scheme then with Windows instead?
Comments like that just null and void any weight to your (already flimsy) argument!
God - this Windows fanboy trolling is beyond belief. You guys keep going with Windows - good on you. I'll use what I prefer thanks. Thanks to Linux and thanks to companies like Apple I have the luxury of choice..
I use XP, Ubuntu 7.10, and OS X, thanks. I like them all.
LOL, how can you like XP after you've used OS X?? Unless you mean Jaguar . . .
No accounting for taste, of course.
Well I still have to use Windows for gaming.. and between Vista and XP, its a no brainer. XP wins hands down!
At the end of the day, innovation and quality are what matters. You're in the minority, ANova . . or rather, unfortunate Windows majority. Time to trade up.
Quality is just a facade when it comes to Apple. My brother got a new ipod for $400 and it never worked correctly, he sent it in for repairs three or four times before giving up and Apple sure as hell never offered to replace it. I hear these kinds of stories from people all the time.
I also have built my own quad core computer that looks as nice as anything that has come from Apple for about a quarter what they charge and am very happy with it. I really like OSX but as far as I'm concerned, it's pretty much the only thing to come out of Apple that's of any value.
They were saved when Microsoft pumped $150 million into their company.
In Steve Jobs' own words: "We have to let go of the notion that for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose..."
With ongoing "copying" accusations and "our 5% market-share consumer base has it right" mentality, we can see Steve has yet to release that notion, even 10 years later.
Sources:
http://www.news.com/MS-to-invest-150-milli...1_3-202143.html
http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/agr...1997.08.05.html
As long as they keep the silly platform bashing to a minimum, all is well.
becouse Microsoft kept them from drowning
I'm sure you had to struggle valiantly...ahem.
Leopard is not innovative.... many of its features have been "borrowed" from Microsoft and Vista.... it's just that OS X does a better job at presenting the features to the user than MS :/
Leopard is not innovative.... many of its features have been "borrowed" from Microsoft and Vista.... it's just that OS X does a better job at presenting the features to the user than MS :/
More like parts of it, and parts of Vista were borrowed from Tiger.
Just a fantastic operating system. Now, if I only had the money to buy a Mac...
I started out on a Mac in 1994. Moved to Windows from May 2002 to April 2006 (used Linux in-between for a year), and moved back to Mac. All in all, Apple provides a superior experience. Funnily enough, I haven't had the urge to tinker around in the case like I used to with a PC (can't really tinker inside an iMac anyway), and apart from playing The Sims2 on OS X and Oblivion on my Windows partition once in a blue moon, I have no urge to do any gaming, either.
I guess part of the reason is that while I work on my Mac, I'm having fun at the same time. The experience is easy, intuitive, aesthetically pleasing.
Best money I ever spent. And will most certainly continue to spend.
I just enjoy using the system now. Even Tiger, which is due to be replaced shortly never fails to surprise me.. so I really cant WAIT to see what Leopard has to offer. I challenge any recent, satisifed switcher not to raise their hand when I ask who has been doing a task in the way they would on Windows only to find there is some great shortcut or new way of doing things that makes a LOT more sense? I've done it so many times already! Looking at stuff like Stacks on Leopard, i'm just eager to get it and get using it.
I've been using iPhoto a bit and I just can't believe it comes 'with' the OS. Import all my RAW photo's right from a Nikon DSLR, de-red eye them, crop them, adjust all the RAW type properties to get the picture looking right.. then view them all through front row, along with my music and video's... its just a revelation.
Save up - it is worth it. My PC only gets a look in any more for gaming! I can't tell you how tempted I am just to sell my PC and pick up a console instead!
Before you bash it, try it. With an open mind.
I'm waiting for the new MacBook's...
-Rich-
For Spaces, they should've added the icons for the spaces in the top finder bar, makes it easier to switch between desktops.
As for the Finder, I can't tell if there's a real thumbnail view now like in Windows Explorer. It still looks like the hybrid icon/thumbnail view in Tiger, which is annoying.
As for the Spaces in the menu bar, I'm pretty sure there's a setting to enable it. And it is mostly thumbnail view: anything that can be viewed in QuickLook can have a thumbnail (and QuickLook can handle plugins, so anything can, in theory, have a thumbnail).
And by the way eAi, QuickLook looks to be my favorite feature as well.
Am objectively looking at this OS hoping I'd like it better than the horror of upgrading to Vista. Since taking up digital photography and mixed media art, people are saying my next system should be a G4 with plenty of memory. Problem is that where I live there are few to none who work on computers (I do basic hardware replacement myself thankfully), and Dell is the only company to actually send someone cross channel to work on their systems. Still, I'm ready for a change (maybe) and am giving this thought. Is the learning curve between XP, Vista and OSX all that great?
First impression of this tour was OSX Leopard looks and works like a fancy IPhone. We like IPhone for having bought Apple stock right before they released, and I'd equally hope this OS flies well for this reason alone to help pay for our next systems.
What makes me hesitate is all my software is for Windows XP, so question is how running old software on this system is going to make any difference and it's all much too expensive to replace. Frankly I don't know how using Windows apps is accomplished in OSX as I've never taken time to really look into Mac's. Been using computers since the DOS only days and had fun learning Windows, now this?! It's a revolving door of never ending lessons ~ Photoshop, Lightroom, and Painter X keeps me busy enough learning as it is. There are two system replacements on the line for us, mine and my husband's, so I'm not wanting to hold him back either if this is the better way to go, and I'm the one who tutors him in computing. Fear is it could end up a huge headache for both, and devour all our creative time.
Am open to advise and information to sort this out. You all seem to know quite a bit more about this than I (we) do.
I switched to Mac about 10 days ago after way to long on Windows. I develop windows software so I'm tied to windows more than most, yet I've found it pretty straightforward to switch. That said, I have a long experience of using Macs and supporting them, so I didn't really have anything to learn.
So, if you have Windows XP apps, you'll have no problem. Just make sure you've got a copy of Windows to install with BootCamp or Parallels/VMWare.
The learning curve is pretty small. In fact I think you'll probably find you're looking for things to learn about because when it comes to it, most things are much simpler. OS X generally does a good job of keeping out of your way and just providing a good base for your apps.
First impression of this tour was OSX Leopard looks and works like a fancy IPhone. We like IPhone for having bought Apple stock right before they released, and I'd equally hope this OS flies well for this reason alone to help pay for our next systems.
What makes me hesitate is all my software is for Windows XP, so question is how running old software on this system is going to make any difference and it's all much too expensive to replace. Frankly I don't know how using Windows apps is accomplished in OSX as I've never taken time to really look into Mac's. Been using computers since the DOS only days and had fun learning Windows, now this?! It's a revolving door of never ending lessons ~ Photoshop, Lightroom, and Painter X keeps me busy enough learning as it is. There are two system replacements on the line for us, mine and my husband's, so I'm not wanting to hold him back either if this is the better way to go, and I'm the one who tutors him in computing. Fear is it could end up a huge headache for both, and devour all our creative time.
Am open to advise and information to sort this out. You all seem to know quite a bit more about this than I (we) do.
OSx leaperd is a good example of that it comes loaded with applications for you to use out of the box weather your a photographer or movie type of production type of things so i think you should be fine.
Of course I've still got this partially resurrected Dell Dimension 8200 as backup, but it's getting up in years like it's owner and becoming outdated. Time has come to think ahead and consider all the options. Would be a shame to regress late in the day, and I promised not to become a stalemated end user years ago.
Considering going to Apple Store in London on release night but hmmmmm.
We all have a love of technology and OS's. WE ARE ON THE SAME SIDE!
Do you suppose all those Apple commercials pitting PC's against Mac's might have anything to do with this competitive mindset?
Seems to be exactly what they wanted to happen and for those of weaker resistence to advertising, it's working.
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