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Apple: a Quarter Million iPhones are Unlocked

Slimy   on 27 October 2007 - 18:32 · 18 comments & 13596 views

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During Apple's fourth-quarter fiscal 2007 earnings conference call, Apple COO Tim Cook revealed that some 250,000 (18%) of all iPhones sold since the devices were released in June have been unlocked. A total of 1.4 million iPhones have been sold, and the remaining 82% are using AT&T, the sole U.S. carrier for the iPhone. According to various online sources, Cook told analysts that these one-quarter million phones were sold to buyers who intended to unlock them at the outset.

Cook also warned that Apple won't let those unlocked phones remain workable for long. Apple has been playing a game of tug of war with hackers who consistently work around Apple’s firmware updates that disable unlocked U.S. phones. On the other hand, Apple plans to comply with French consumer laws, despite agreements with Orange, its exclusive carrier in France, by introducing an unlocked iPhone.

News source: PC World

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#1 .kvn on 27 Oct 2007 - 18:49
Apple will continue to release firmware upgrades that will brick unlocked iPhones.

However, the release of the new anySIM 1.1 has made this possibility more remote as it does not interfere with the firmware as much as the previous anySIM and other unlock methods did, which led to many iPhones becoming bricks.

Apple may be seen as intentionally releasing upgrades that cause iPhones to become bricks but this is the risk that buyers of non-contracted iPhones are willing to take. Remember an iPhone needs a hefty contract if its to be used according to the warranty and there are many of us who do not wish to buy this mobile with its preferred choice of operator.

And furthermore, there are methods available to un-brick iPhones, revirginize iPhones to factory state and as such unlocking methods will never be far behind future firmware upgrades released by Apple.

My current 1.0.2 unlocked iPhone shall remain safe.
#2 JaSoN BouRNe on 27 Oct 2007 - 19:27
no matter what, there always will be a workaround...
(1 reply) #3 +ispamforfood on 27 Oct 2007 - 19:50
If Apple would stop giving their phones to ****ty wireless carriers, then people would stop unlocking them. Besides, you'd think they wouldn't care considering how MUCH they make with every sale of an iphone.... i guess they're out not only looking for the original sale price, but a cut of the monthly payment as well... sad. What they say is true.... Apple is becoming the next Microsoft. All about money, and not about customer satisfaction.
#3.1 Ivand on 27 Oct 2007 - 19:57
fgs is a corporation of course that its about money
(2 replies) #4 Alluring Anxiety on 27 Oct 2007 - 21:54
Can it not be agreed that Apple could have dodged this problem by simply not making the iPhone exclusive to one network?

If you limit the consumers' use of the product when there's a higher demand for it, it's inevitable that some are going to work around Apple's plans. If firmware is what's going to "brick" the phones, then people just won't use it. Once the product is sold, it's the consumers' product and they have every right to do what they wish with it.

By looking at the results that almost 20% of consumers are rebelling against Apple's limitations, I think this shows that you can't force people to follow rules that aren't necessary.
#4.1 +Dakkaroth on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:35
I don't know why Apple limits its own potential so much. I mean, a PC version of OS X for instance would be bought everywhere, I'm certain! Instead, they limit it to only Apple computers, which no one in their right mind could see a reason to buy and have two computers, especially when they could build/buy one cheaper elsewhere and/or already have a decent computer.

Same with the iPhone in a sense. Limit it to AT&T, something many people would choose not to do business with.

Just quit sticking us to something we don't want, and make it available where we want it. Market it. Profit!
#4.2 Alluring Anxiety on 29 Oct 2007 - 19:16
Quote - (Dakkaroth said @ #4.1)
I don't know why Apple limits its own potential so much. I mean, a PC version of OS X for instance would be bought everywhere, I'm certain! Instead, they limit it to only Apple computers, which no one in their right mind could see a reason to buy and have two computers, especially when they could build/buy one cheaper elsewhere and/or already have a decent computer.

Same with the iPhone in a sense. Limit it to AT&T, something many people would choose not to do business with.

Just quit sticking us to something we don't want, and make it available where we want it. Market it. Profit!


Heh so it turns out they get more money the other way, by the looks of a more recent bulletin.
#5 Citrusleak on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:17
Just modify the unlocked French firmware
#6 Digital Oracle on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:29
How many EUROs is the French IPHONE and how much I wondered would it cost to import it to the UK, or in fact, the rest of the world?

Thus, why worry about unlocking methodologies, as they say, if one wont play ball, why should the rest!!

UPDATE: Found it on a French supplier website for 749 Euros

http://www.toutpourlamicro.com/article.asp...14&ida=5586

Personally I am not from this company, Tout Pour La Micro and I am NOT advertising for them. Just making a point, any intelligent person can come too.

edit: Referrer part of link removed. Please obey the rules.

Last edited by Slimy on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:38
(1 reply) #7 Digital Oracle on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:46
Response to Post 6 and Slimy

I did not know there was a referrer in part of the link and I just copied and pasted it from the URL / address bar
#7.1 Slimy on 27 Oct 2007 - 22:51
No worries, just playing it on the safe side. I didn't ask a moderator to warn you or anything
#8 RuudJacobs.NET on 27 Oct 2007 - 23:21
how the hell are they going to kill your phone if you don't install their 'updates'.. Is it legal to kill a device you just sold to someone by the way?
(1 reply) #9 carmatic on 28 Oct 2007 - 02:44
i blame the european consumer laws for this... if it hadnt taken away their ability to lock even more phones, apple wouldnt be so eager to satisfy their craving for locking whatever phones they could!
#9.1 XerXis on 28 Oct 2007 - 08:39
Quote - (carmatic said @ #9)
i blame the european consumer laws for this... if it hadnt taken away their ability to lock even more phones, apple wouldnt be so eager to satisfy their craving for locking whatever phones they could!



eeerm, what? i hope there was at least some irony in that statement :p
#10 tom5 on 28 Oct 2007 - 13:51
There's one problem for Apple in this "battle": there have to be enough stupid users to upgrade their unlocked iPhone via iTunes without checking out whether the upgrade renders the phone unusable or not. Apple itself can't do anything about it.
(1 reply) #11 Magallanes on 28 Oct 2007 - 16:15
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Apple COO Tim Cook revealed that some 250,000 (18%)


How did they know?.

#11.1 Slimy on 28 Oct 2007 - 16:31
They probably took the total sold and subtracted the number on the AT&T network and considered a few other factors for deviation
#12 Toology on 28 Oct 2007 - 16:47
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Cook also warned that Apple won't let those unlocked phones remain workable for long.


They're willing to take money from a quarter of a million people only to take a s**t on them later. How nice.

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