Adding itself to the small-but-growing list of ISPs that admit to traffic shaping, Canada-based Bell Simpatico has confessed to using “traffic management” on heavy users “during peak hours.”
“We are now using a Internet Traffic Management to restrict accounts,” wrote an unnamed forum administrator on Bell Simpatico’s support forums. According to the administrator, Bell Simpatico’s traffic shaping affects an unmentioned number of applications and protocols, including BitTorrent, Gnutella, Limewire, Kazaa, eDonkey, eMule and WinMX. A Bell Simpatico Manager chimed in immediately afterwards, explaining that “there continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer Internet traffic throughout the world” and that “Bell is using Internet Traffic Management to ensure we deliver bandwidth fairly to our customers during peak Internet usage.”
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“We are now using a Internet Traffic Management to restrict accounts,” wrote an unnamed forum administrator on Bell Simpatico’s support forums. According to the administrator, Bell Simpatico’s traffic shaping affects an unmentioned number of applications and protocols, including BitTorrent, Gnutella, Limewire, Kazaa, eDonkey, eMule and WinMX. A Bell Simpatico Manager chimed in immediately afterwards, explaining that “there continues to be phenomenal growth of consumer Internet traffic throughout the world” and that “Bell is using Internet Traffic Management to ensure we deliver bandwidth fairly to our customers during peak Internet usage.”
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Glassed Silver:mbl
Luckily it seems that our ISPs here in Sweden can actually provide what they promise. It seems kind of weird to sell a product that you can not provide... no?
Corporate world... We should be the ones doing pressure, not the other way around. The consumer has the power.
change it or "confess" to being illiterate
At around 5pm in certain areas of traffic they'll throttle back on torrents, emule maybe a few more protocols till 2 am around.
Constant 30Kb/sec speeds. After that time the restriction is removed.
Now for another kick to some users going over around 200 gigs. They'll get a letter telling them to cut back on consumption and to make sure they do. For the following 30 days they'll stick the dsl profile to 512/512 kilobits.
If you do manage to get over it a few more times they'll cut you off from their service and blacklist your place of residence from getting any dsl no matter the 3rd party. We'll they put a lock on your line card.
So your left with dial up, possibly cable depending on the province which has the throttling caps. Except for quebecs videotron as of now.
its the best ISP in my area, theres nothing i can do about it
either i use this or nothing at all
they even refuse to fix a problem they created when they installed my service
making my net go down 5+ times a day
canada is a third world country as far as the internet and isps
you guys really should be ashamed
Good thing is that for now, I get decent service though Rogers does throttle traffic. On the other hand I have no other alternatives: third party DSL ISPs are out of the question if our line is poor, and Rogers has monopolized cable in Toronto.
That's not really true, Rogers and Shaw made a deal that saw Rogers essentially take over cable in Ontario while Shaw decided to get bigger out west. I am not sure where Cogeco stood in all of this.
That's not really true, Rogers and Shaw made a deal that saw Rogers essentially take over cable in Ontario while Shaw decided to get bigger out west. I am not sure where Cogeco stood in all of this.
That's true. Our cable line used to be under Shaw a long time ago. But as far as I know Rogers has control of all cable lines in the city of Toronto only; some suburbs have the option of Cogeco. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I'd like to know if there are cable alternatives to Rogers for Torontonians.
edit: rereading your comment, my term of "monopolizing cable" is that basically we have no other choice if we must have fast Internet and have a faulty phone line. Hey, if people can call out Microsoft for having an OS monopoly because people must run Windows for their essential apps at work and home, it should apply here for cable.
So
... you operate a computer that 'serves' files to the Internet...
... serving files means you're "in violation" of your ISP's TOS ...
... and they let you do it anyways ...
... and they throttle your bandwidth ....
... and you complain about the throttling of bandwidth ...
... and you complain about them violating your TOS ...
... and you violated to TOS first?
Or did I miss something?
I think transferring something from my laptop to my home computer, or vice-versa, should be exempt, but when you operate a server for 'others' to access, the ISP has EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD, to limit your bandwidth... or charge you accordingly for 'out of band' access.
You have the 'right' to access the Internet, but the Internet does not have the 'right' to access you.
So, **** on me.
And, by the way...
you dropped your spleen.
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Speed-shaping is becoming more common in the USA but has been very common in oz. Again we pay more than you do for interent. Do I go on the internet and waste my usage on complaining about the usage? It's all out in the plain view that I have read the plan carefully and made my decision. Now if an ISP says in their usage policy that they will shape, then cope it. Suing them won't work because you do not research before subscribing to a plan.
If you are with a ISP that shapes users speed based on download usage, then you are the one to blame, not the ISP. Manage your downloads and you won't have problems. It's not really Unlimited like you think they to be. They do have restrictions.
Never experienced capping though
SingNet, subsidiary of SingTel, a customer of P-Cube. Reference: http://www.p-cube.com/doc_root/news/Press_...P2P_EU_Eng.html
StarHub, a customer of Sandvine. Reference: http://www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=100
7 of top 20 US Broadband Providers, customers of Sandvine. Reference: http://www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=118
Liwest Kabelmedien GmbH, second largest cable operator in Austria, a customer of Sandvine. Reference: http://www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=114
Gigared, a leading Argentinean broadband provider, a customer of Sandvine. Reference: http://www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=109
Adelphia Communications Corporation, the fifth-largest cable television company in the US, a customer of Sandvine. Reference: http://www.sandvine.com/news/pr_detail.asp?ID=93
They sent me a nasty letter and throttled my bandwidth down to 50KB/s, from maybe 360KB/s. I work from home and VPN into the office--I'll use whatever bandwidth I need to do my job, no matter what, and their customer support representative had no other suggestion than to try a business account instead (he himself wasn't sure of the terms, as they're two completely separate units playing by different rules).
The kicker is that their letter tells you to reduce your bandwidth during peak hours, but they don't define:
a) what the peak hours are
b) what their target is, so how can I tell whether I'm still under the acceptable limit
Turns out, whether I reduce my downloads or not during peak hours, the support rep told me that was irrelevant--since they only look at the total bandwidth utilization at the end of the month.
"Funny" thing is that there's still a separate page on their site (the residential one, that is) saying you can have unlimited bandwidth if you tack on an extra $25/month on top of your 'regular' bill for a capped account. I enquired specifically about that--the same limit still applies, only they never tell you.
The rep working for the business unit however assured me that no such limits exists.
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I should add that I don't use any P2P app. My total monthly upstream bandwidth has never been above 2.5% of my downstream bandwidth. In fact on average it's less 1.75%.
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