SNotW: Anti-gay church vows to take control of Microsoft
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#1 Posted by Twisted Dave on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:06
- What a freakin' tool.
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#2 Posted by billyea on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:10
- That's just great. The largest OS company with a respect for diversity vs. the Church (read: one church)
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#3 Posted by X'tyfe on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:11
- WTF? this guy needs to get a life
not to mention that microsoft has nothing to do with homosexuals at all
fanaticism at its best
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#4 Posted by Doli on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:11
- Quote -Asked why he as a black man grew up during segregation could advocate discrimination, Mr Hutcherson said: "How many homosexuals have you ever seen had to ride on the back of a bus? I haven't seen one. I know that many blacks have in the past.
Because we (im black) have more discrimination in our past makes it alright to discriminate gays? Hell No!
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#5 Posted by whistlerxp on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:14
- rofl @ gay ads, they say it all really, time for people to get over their prejudices, I don't think Jesus ever spoke out about homosexuality, people forget that he was a revolutionary who spoke out against people who were eager to point fingers and take down someone different. In the end, those such people killed him.
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#5.1 Posted by Shiranui on 19 Nov 2007 - 01:12
- Read your bible. The justification for this, and many other evils, is all there.
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#5.2 Posted by kaiwai on 19 Nov 2007 - 13:50
- Quote - (Shiranui said @ #5.1)Read your bible. The justification for this, and many other evils, is all there.
Problem:
Old testament refer to raping and sexual acts in regards to pagan rituals. Paul repeats the same thing - too bad people thing that what Paul rants on about equates to what Jesus says.
Ps. I'm not a Christian, just someone who read the bible.
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#6 Posted by leesmithg on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:17
- Sounds like O.J. Simpson, 'I am a black man above the law, you try sue me I get out the race card'.
I ride at the back of the bus, I even ride with my best friend, a black lesbian.
I bet this muppet is a closet homesexual that is also vexed he could not fit into the sheet and pillow case the k.k.k. wear.
I wish this kind of nonsense was not posted here but left to the tabloids jerks like him would read. -
#6.1 Posted by James Riske on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:46
- Quote - (leesmithg said @ #6)I bet this muppet is a closet homesexual that is also vexed he could not fit into the sheet and pillow case the k.k.k. wear.
People who naturally despise homosexuals are not really homosexual themselves just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really closet pedophiles. -
#6.2 Posted by Mikeyx11 on 18 Nov 2007 - 05:57
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #6.1)Quote - (leesmithg said @ #6)I bet this muppet is a closet homesexual that is also vexed he could not fit into the sheet and pillow case the k.k.k. wear.
People who naturally despise homosexuals are not really homosexual themselves just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really closet pedophiles.
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#6.3 Posted by +Berserk87 on 18 Nov 2007 - 06:05
- Quote - (Mikeyx11 said @ #6.2)You are right, however I don't think you should be putting homosexuals in the same boat as pedophiles...
biblically speaking they are in the same boat.
under sexual immorality.
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#6.4 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 18 Nov 2007 - 13:02
- Quote - (Berserk87 said @ #6.3)Quote - (Mikeyx11 said @ #6.2)You are right, however I don't think you should be putting homosexuals in the same boat as pedophiles...
biblically speaking they are in the same boat.
under sexual immorality.
~waits for angry comments...
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#6.5 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 18 Nov 2007 - 19:00
- Quote - (Berserk87 said @ #6.3)Quote - (Mikeyx11 said @ #6.2)You are right, however I don't think you should be putting homosexuals in the same boat as pedophiles...
biblically speaking they are in the same boat.
under sexual immorality.
~waits for angry comments...
Ever cut your hair? Or your beard? Or look at your neighbor's wife/daughter? (The list is MUCH longer than that, BTW.) You'd be put to death along with us homosexuals according to Leviticus, so drop the bible thumping, eh?
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#7 Posted by osirisX on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:18
- Microsoft seems to always be in some war or another. First the Desktop Wars, then the Browser wars and now they are in a war against God
I wonder though, can God withstand the almighty Blue Screen of Death?
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A JOKE.
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#7.1 Posted by Doli on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:24
- This is not against God, the Reverend can say "I got God with me" all he wants but dont confuse this as a war against God.
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#7.2 Posted by osirisX on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:33
- Quote - (Doli said @ #7.1)This is not against God, the Reverend can say "I got God with me" all he wants but dont confuse this as a war against God.
It was a joke >_>
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#8 Posted by simon360 on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:23
- It's things like this that make me ashamed of being part of the church: they never learn. I respect God with all of my heart, and I know that the church is not doing what Jesus would have done, or what god believes.
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#8.1 Posted by +rm20010 on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:03
- Hence the problem of these radicals. Motivated by
moneydonations and seeking media attention.
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#8.2 Posted by James Riske on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:51
- Quote - (simon360 said @ #
It's things like this that make me ashamed of being part of the church: they never learn. I respect God with all of my heart, and I know that the church is not doing what Jesus would have done, or what god believes.
If you respect gawd with all your heart then why can't you understand his word? he specifically tells you in many different parts of his bible that he is against homosexuality.
Jesus may not have said anything for or against homosexuality however his disciples sure did and so did his father many times, if a church decides to remind people that homosexuality is wrong (and it is) then why should that make you ashamed or do you simply disagree with the manner in which they are demonstrating? -
#8.3 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:23
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #8.2)Quote - (simon360 said @ #It's things like this that make me ashamed of being part of the church: they never learn. I respect God with all of my heart, and I know that the church is not doing what Jesus would have done, or what god believes.
If you respect gawd with all your heart then why can't you understand his word? he specifically tells you in many different parts of his bible that he is against homosexuality.
Jesus may not have said anything for or against homosexuality however his disciples sure did and so did his father many times, if a church decides to remind people that homosexuality is wrong (and it is) then why should that make you ashamed or do you simply disagree with the manner in which they are demonstrating?
Thanks for speaking up, you're right on. "gawd"? -
#8.4 Posted by ozzieXP on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:48
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #8.2)Quote - (simon360 said @ #It's things like this that make me ashamed of being part of the church: they never learn. I respect God with all of my heart, and I know that the church is not doing what Jesus would have done, or what god believes.
If you respect gawd with all your heart then why can't you understand his word? he specifically tells you in many different parts of his bible that he is against homosexuality.
Jesus may not have said anything for or against homosexuality however his disciples sure did and so did his father many times, if a church decides to remind people that homosexuality is wrong (and it is) then why should that make you ashamed or do you simply disagree with the manner in which they are demonstrating?
And its wrong to work on Saturdays and eating pork and many other things you and many others don't follow... why? because everyone adapts to their favorite part... and some Christians LOVE to HATE gay people. And im sure "Jesus" would not have wasted tons of money in stupid things like this.
Anyway... since you believe so much in the Bible do some research about it and you will see how manipulated it has been throughout the years... and then if you prefer to be blind and believe all the bull**** that they tell you at church then it will be your choice. -
#8.5 Posted by thornz0 on 18 Nov 2007 - 07:14
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #8.2)Quote - (simon360 said @ #It's things like this that make me ashamed of being part of the church: they never learn. I respect God with all of my heart, and I know that the church is not doing what Jesus would have done, or what god believes.
If you respect gawd with all your heart then why can't you understand his word? he specifically tells you in many different parts of his bible that he is against homosexuality.
Jesus may not have said anything for or against homosexuality however his disciples sure did and so did his father many times, if a church decides to remind people that homosexuality is wrong (and it is) then why should that make you ashamed or do you simply disagree with the manner in which they are demonstrating?
2 things:
God loves everyone
Sin is sin, and we're all guilty of it.
I'm also ashamed because some people seem hell bent on putting some groups on a cross when they themselves also live in sin, daily. I believe we're all familiar with the analogy of the log. -
#8.6 Posted by FloatingFatMan on 18 Nov 2007 - 07:45
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #8.2)If you respect gawd with all your heart then why can't you understand his word? he specifically tells you in many different parts of his bible that he is against homosexuality.
Jesus may not have said anything for or against homosexuality however his disciples sure did and so did his father many times, if a church decides to remind people that homosexuality is wrong (and it is) then why should that make you ashamed or do you simply disagree with the manner in which they are demonstrating?
Correction. Various mentally challenged people said things against homosexuals and wrote it in a book amongst a load of other random dribble. God didn't say a damn thing because "he's" an anthropomorphic personification of human belief and doesn't actually exist.
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#9 Posted by bluarash on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:30
- Who exactly is this mad man again, and why should we take the ravings of a person who likely is suffering from some form of mental illness seriously (Christ warrior, WTF... how exactly is that the Prince of Peace, whatever)?
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#10 Posted by al11588 on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:42
- why cant the churchs go after the real gay apple
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#11 Posted by Justin- on 18 Nov 2007 - 02:45
- I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
This is a more "neutral" site that has more information about it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml ... -
#11.1 Posted by Mav Phoenix on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:24
- Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
This is a more "neutral" site that has more information about it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml ...
A peaceful change of people's hearts away from sin is the way, you are right. -
#11.2 Posted by ozzieXP on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:38
- Quote - (Mav Phoenix said @ #11.1)Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
This is a more "neutral" site that has more information about it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml ...
A peaceful change of people's hearts away from sin is the way, you are right.
or how about let everyone live how they want to, instead of telling them what they are doing right or wrong. After all we have free will
btw if this the pastor... can anyone tell him to get out of the closet please?
oh and also someone please remind him that gluttony is a sin
Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags." Proverbs 28:7 declares, "He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father." Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, "put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."
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#11.3 Posted by Ledgem on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:42
- Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
I hate to break it to you, but if you want to go around telling people that they're sinning and will suffer eternal damnation, you're not showing a whole lot of love. I think that a large part of the reason why Christianity earns itself such ire is because people hate that haughty attitude. It is most certainly not the display of love and tolerance that I keep hearing Christians claim that they're preaching. Perhaps instead of working so hard to keep the rest of us from "sinning" and "going to hell," a good majority of Christians should be a bit more concerned with themselves. -
#11.4 Posted by Justin- on 18 Nov 2007 - 05:08
- Quote - (Ledgem said @ #11.3)Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
I hate to break it to you, but if you want to go around telling people that they're sinning and will suffer eternal damnation, you're not showing a whole lot of love. I think that a large part of the reason why Christianity earns itself such ire is because people hate that haughty attitude. It is most certainly not the display of love and tolerance that I keep hearing Christians claim that they're preaching. Perhaps instead of working so hard to keep the rest of us from "sinning" and "going to hell," a good majority of Christians should be a bit more concerned with themselves.
Yes, they should be. Unless it's actually illegal to be a Christian and saying you're a Christian can earn you a death sentence, you're always going to have people who live however they wish and try to change peoples hearts in ways contrary to their own.
However, I'm not going around telling people that and trying to say I'm any better than you, or anyone else. According to the Bible, I am just as guilty of death (hell) due to my sin as everyone else is to theirs. Christ came to save people from that death due to that sin.
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#11.5 Posted by Doli on 18 Nov 2007 - 12:26
- [quote=ozzieXP said,#11.2][quote=Mav Phoenix said,#11.1][quote=Justin- said,#11]
oh and also someone please remind him that gluttony is a sin
Proverbs 23:20-21 warns us, "Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat, for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags." Proverbs 28:7 declares, "He who keeps the law is a discerning son, but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father." Proverbs 23:2 proclaims, "put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony."[/quote]
From that picture you can tell that he is a glutton? -
#11.6 Posted by balupton on 18 Nov 2007 - 16:27
- I don't see why they have to force their religion on others? Surely that is illegal for some reason... Can't they just hate homosexuals within their community...
As I perceive the whole "you are going to have a eternity of your worst nightmare awaiting you when you die" a huge threat... It is just like saying "I am going to torture you"...
How could anyone believe in such a hateful god? Seems to me that extremists just like this guy are who wrote those sacred verses that make god hateful... And it takes a messiah to show them they are wrong... In which case the circle starts again... -
#11.7 Posted by kaiwai on 19 Nov 2007 - 13:56
- Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
This is a more "neutral" site that has more information about it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...6/wmicro116.xml ...
Explain to me why the relationship with my boyfriend is sinful? is it the fact we don't breeeeeeeeeeeeed? you realise there is nothing particularly special about breeding? -
#11.8 Posted by kaiwai on 19 Nov 2007 - 13:59
- Quote - (Ledgem said @ #11.3)Quote - (Justin- said @ #11)I'm an Evangelical Christian, and while I agree with him that homosexuality is certainly a sin, I do not support this. With this, we just change the hearts of people to hate. We're supposed to be showing love and pouring it out to other people ...
I hate to break it to you, but if you want to go around telling people that they're sinning and will suffer eternal damnation, you're not showing a whole lot of love. I think that a large part of the reason why Christianity earns itself such ire is because people hate that haughty attitude. It is most certainly not the display of love and tolerance that I keep hearing Christians claim that they're preaching. Perhaps instead of working so hard to keep the rest of us from "sinning" and "going to hell," a good majority of Christians should be a bit more concerned with themselves.
I wish these christians took the advice of an old Orthodox Rabbi who was talking to a young student who wanted to change the world, he found it took difficult, so he tried to change his country, county, city, suburb, neighbourhood then realised that to change the world, he should start at home and change himself first.
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#12 Posted by +rm20010 on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:04
- May I ask why is it Microsoft and Microsoft only that gets the flak? Ah yes, I know. Because if it was their local neighbourhood corporation the world/media won't give a tenth of a damn.
Seriously I hate both sides. The side that pushes for radical BS equality rights here and there and these anti-homosexuality protesters who, among other things, protest at funerals.
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#13 Posted by Izlude on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:09
- this is almost as funny as that pastor who says "YO BUTT AIN'T MADE FO' THAT!!!!"
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#14 Posted by WICKO on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:16
- What? The church is trying to push their ideals on someone else??? Front page news, that is.
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#15 Posted by ANova on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:18
- rrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggghhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt
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#16 Posted by BigBoy on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:24
- Seriously - Neowin staff - front page news?
What?????
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#16.1 Posted by whistlerxp on 18 Nov 2007 - 05:12
- Surely this is the kind of story you come here for "BigBoy" ?
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#17 Posted by GEIST on 18 Nov 2007 - 03:41
- His God must be so proud of his little black (pun intended) sheep.
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#18 Posted by ozzieXP on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:07
- how about giving some money to the people that needed instead of WASTING it. Idiots!
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#19 Posted by neufuse on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:31
- For this to work they'd have to get rid of the majority of the share holders wouldn't they? And those are who again? they'd never sell off their stock like this too much at stake for them... it takes more then just buying up some stock... there are how many millions of shares out there? it'd cost them BILLIONS of dollars to have any effect on them
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#19.1 Posted by +Berserk87 on 18 Nov 2007 - 05:11
- do you realize how easily they could raise that much if they got the full support of other evangelical churches?
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#19.2 Posted by balupton on 18 Nov 2007 - 16:29
- Yeah but if you got all the people that don't follow them to counteract their movement, there would surely be a lot more?
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#19.3 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 18 Nov 2007 - 19:05
- Quote - (Berserk87 said @ #19.1)do you realize how easily they could raise that much if they got the full support of other evangelical churches?
If the evangelical churches pooled money to buy out Microsoft what would they use to try to foul the government?
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#20 Posted by Budious on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:46
- Geez... I just want to go to every war funeral now so if these people show up I can punch them all in the face.
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#21 Posted by Croquant on 18 Nov 2007 - 04:58
- In other news, Microsoft today announced that it was launching Microsoft Homophobic 2008 Ultimate Moron Edition in order to cash in on the gay-bashing industry.
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#21.1 Posted by ozzieXP on 18 Nov 2007 - 05:15
- Quote - (Croquant said @ #21)In other news, Microsoft today announced that it was launching Microsoft Homophobic 2008 Ultimate Moron Edition in order to cash in on the gay-bashing industry.
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#21.2 Posted by Croquant on 18 Nov 2007 - 08:05
- Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #21.1)Quote - (Croquant said @ #21)In other news, Microsoft today announced that it was launching Microsoft Homophobic 2008 Ultimate Moron Edition in order to cash in on the gay-bashing industry.
did you order it yet?
Yeah, I'm sending it to George W. Bush as a going away present.
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#21.3 Posted by Glassed Silver on 18 Nov 2007 - 15:37
- Quote - (Croquant said @ #21.2)Quote - (ozzieXP said @ #21.1)Quote - (Croquant said @ #21)In other news, Microsoft today announced that it was launching Microsoft Homophobic 2008 Ultimate Moron Edition in order to cash in on the gay-bashing industry.
did you order it yet?
Yeah, I'm sending it to George W. Bush as a going away present.
at times i tend to dislike croquant's comments, but this one was classic!
(also meaning the actual homophobic product thingy
Glassed Silver:mac
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#22 Posted by admf on 18 Nov 2007 - 06:12
- Haha
Oh wow
Gotta giggle at the church's line on this kind of thing, basically, "let's use our personal interpretations of the bible as a pretext to spread hate wherever possible".
"Hate hate hate! Do as we say! give us 'donations', for financially backed hate!"
I wish I could laugh these kinds of things off, but there's so many people who are just indoctrinated into believing what they're told to believe by the church from a young age, it's painful to think about.
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#23 Posted by seamer on 18 Nov 2007 - 06:56
- Just one more reason why organised religion as a whole should be outlawed.
Get back to the streets and help people who need it instead of alienating the people who put money in your coffers. -
#23.1 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 18 Nov 2007 - 11:26
- +1
I have no problem with personal faith but when it becomes organised religion it has gone too far.
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#24 Posted by greatestfall on 18 Nov 2007 - 07:40
- this dude is hilarious
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#25 Posted by Foub on 18 Nov 2007 - 10:51
- Why doesn't he just get over it and come out of the closet. It is shown that the majority of these homophobes turn out to be gay themselves and do this sort of thing to try and deny what they are because they are taught that being gay is evil.
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#25.1 Posted by James Riske on 19 Nov 2007 - 04:03
- Quote - (Foub said @ #25)Why doesn't he just get over it and come out of the closet. It is shown that the majority of these homophobes turn out to be gay themselves and do this sort of thing to try and deny what they are because they are taught that being gay is evil.
As already explained, people who naturally despise homosexuals are not really homosexuals themselves just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really pedophiles. -
#25.2 Posted by PatriotB on 19 Nov 2007 - 07:57
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #25.1)Quote - (Foub said @ #25)Why doesn't he just get over it and come out of the closet. It is shown that the majority of these homophobes turn out to be gay themselves and do this sort of thing to try and deny what they are because they are taught that being gay is evil.
As already explained, people who naturally despise homosexuals are not really homosexuals themselves just as people who naturally despise pedophiles are not really pedophiles.
Unless you're Mark Foley. "Once known as a crusader against child abuse and exploitation, Foley resigned from Congress on September 29, 2006 after allegations surfaced that he had sent suggestive emails and sexually explicit instant messages to teenaged boys who had formerly served and were at that time serving as Congressional pages." (Wikipedia)
Between Foley, Haggard, and Craig, I think Foub's statement has a lot of truth to it.
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#26 Posted by Magallanes on 18 Nov 2007 - 11:25
- I don't known who is the worst, those anti-gay sponsored by the ("word of the Big Boss" bible, or those pro-gay with the "mother nature" (born gay is too natural) from their part.
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#27 Posted by MightyJordan on 18 Nov 2007 - 12:09
- Quote -Microsoft don't scare me. I got God with me.
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#27.1 Posted by balupton on 18 Nov 2007 - 16:30
- hahaha, classic. Who knows, God works in mysterious ways remember
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#28 Posted by +Octol on 18 Nov 2007 - 12:18
- I have a gay friend who once told me how sick he was of the sexual preference concept. I thought it was pretty interesting what he had to say:Quote - My gay friend said:Sexual “preference”? Yeah, right! I “chose” to be gay; I “chose” to live a lifestyle where I'm mocked and reviled and even occasionally beaten for being for who I am. I “chose” a lifestyle that my church tells me is a perversion and an affront to God.
If individuals get to choose their brand of sexuality, what person in his right mind would “choose” to be gay?! I didn't make any such choice! I knew which way my dong was pointing by the time I was eight years old, and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
I did everything I could to live a “normal” lifestyle. I even got married! But it just didn't work. I'm gay, and that's just the way it is. For good or ill, God made me the way I am; if people are going to blame someone for that, they better be blaming God!
Frankly, I think everyone knows that there isn't any “choice” here. What person – straight or gay – can honestly say that at some point in his or her life he or she made a conscious decision to be one way or the other?
“Um, let's see; it's time to choose my sexual preference; which one should I choose? Hmmm... (tap, tap, tap) ...I think I'll be straight. No! Wait! Gay sounds so much more fun and stylish!! That's what I'll be!”
Does anyone here actually remember making any such “choice”?
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#28.1 Posted by Glassed Silver on 18 Nov 2007 - 15:34
- your friend got a very good point that should be thrown at this ******'s (that idiot from the news article, not your friend) face!
i as a liberal human cannot feel anything other than anger for this .... person. ough.
sometimes tough to stay in forum rules, really.
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#28.2 Posted by FloatingFatMan on 18 Nov 2007 - 18:07
- Your buddy is 100% correct. Unfortunately, that won't persuade the haters. As far as they're concerned, homosexuals DO choose to be that way consciously, and nothing you can tell most of them will persuade them any different.
They're just a bunch of haters who hide behind religion as a reason to hate. IMO, their rhetoric should be treated like ANY other hate crime; arrest and imprisonment. -
#28.3 Posted by James Riske on 19 Nov 2007 - 04:07
- Quote - (Octol said @ #2I have a gay friend who once told me how sick he was of the sexual preference concept. I thought it was pretty interesting what he had to say:Quote - My gay friend said:Sexual “preference”? Yeah, right! I “chose” to be gay; I “chose” to live a lifestyle where I'm mocked and reviled and even occasionally beaten for being for who I am. I “chose” a lifestyle that my church tells me is a perversion and an affront to God.
If individuals get to choose their brand of sexuality, what person in his right mind would “choose” to be gay?! I didn't make any such choice! I knew which way my dong was pointing by the time I was eight years old, and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
I did everything I could to live a “normal” lifestyle. I even got married! But it just didn't work. I'm gay, and that's just the way it is. For good or ill, God made me the way I am; if people are going to blame someone for that, they better be blaming God!
Frankly, I think everyone knows that there isn't any “choice” here. What person – straight or gay – can honestly say that at some point in his or her life he or she made a conscious decision to be one way or the other?
“Um, let's see; it's time to choose my sexual preference; which one should I choose? Hmmm... (tap, tap, tap) ...I think I'll be straight. No! Wait! Gay sounds so much more fun and stylish!! That's what I'll be!”
Does anyone here actually remember making any such “choice”?
Of course not.
People are not "born" gay just as a doctor is not "born" a doctor.
The whole "born gay" theory was completely demolished long ago by various peer-reviewed studies on gays and identical twins and studies on youths where it was found that homosexuality is 100% environmental.
The liberals media will fight tooth and nail to suppress this stark, simple fact. -
#28.4 Posted by bluarash on 19 Nov 2007 - 06:06
- So if a person chooses to be gay that would be a problem? The last time I checked an individuals does have rights when living in a free society. Do we really want to go back to regulating behavior between consenting adults?
By the way, could you provide links and, or citation of these peer reviewed studies that show that these is no biological determining factors to being a homosexual? We are not actually talking about a gay gene, that would be almost impossible, but I would love to see these studies that show that it is all learned behavior. It would be interesting to me given that I have not honestly kept up on the research (though I did take a number of psychology and biology classes while I was an undergraduate). -
#28.5 Posted by PatriotB on 19 Nov 2007 - 08:04
- Quote - (James Riske said @ #28.3)People are not "born" gay just as a doctor is not "born" a doctor.
The whole "born gay" theory was completely demolished long ago by various peer-reviewed studies on gays and identical twins and studies on youths where it was found that homosexuality is 100% environmental.
The liberals media will fight tooth and nail to suppress this stark, simple fact.
Even if people aren't "born" gay, that still doesn't make it a choice. Your statement doesn't contradict the original poster at all; "environmental" factors aren't a choice.
Plus remember that "born gay" wouldn't just include genes, but also conditions in the womb.
Regarding the term "preference"... I can't stand it. Do straight guys people simply "prefer" women? Do gay guys simply "prefer" men? The word "preference" indicates that you like one over the other (e.g. gentlemen prefer blondes, but will still do it with brunettes).
The proper word is "orientation" -- a straight person is only attracted to the opposite sex; a gay person is only attracted to the same sex. -
#28.6 Posted by Magallanes on 19 Nov 2007 - 12:59
- Quote - (Octol said @ #2I have a gay friend who once told me how sick he was of the sexual preference concept. I thought it was pretty interesting what he had to say:Quote - My gay friend said:Sexual “preference”? Yeah, right! I “chose” to be gay; I “chose” to live a lifestyle where I'm mocked and reviled and even occasionally beaten for being for who I am. I “chose” a lifestyle that my church tells me is a perversion and an affront to God.
If individuals get to choose their brand of sexuality, what person in his right mind would “choose” to be gay?! I didn't make any such choice! I knew which way my dong was pointing by the time I was eight years old, and there wasn't anything I could do about it.
I did everything I could to live a “normal” lifestyle. I even got married! But it just didn't work. I'm gay, and that's just the way it is. For good or ill, God made me the way I am; if people are going to blame someone for that, they better be blaming God!
Just a pity excuse can is able to justify everything.
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"There are 256 Fortune 500 companies alone pouring millions upon millions of dollars into pushing the homosexual agenda," he told the Daily Telegraph. "I consider myself a warrior for Christ. Microsoft don't scare me. I got God with me." "I told them that you need to work with me or we will put a fire-storm on you like you have never seen in you life because I am your worst nightmare. I am a black man with a righteous cause with a whole host of powerful white people behind me." Asked why he as a black man grew up during segregation could advocate discrimination, Mr Hutcherson said: "How many homosexuals have you ever seen had to ride on the back of a bus? I haven't seen one. I know that many blacks have in the past.