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First look at Firefox 3.0 Beta 1

mlauzon76   on 20 November 2007 - 15:21 · 41 comments & 28965 views

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I noticed that the Beta 1 for Firefox 3.0 was made available sometime yesterday. I’ve been curious as to whether the Firefox dev team would do a serious revamp for this release or just concentrate on bug fixes and performance improvements. Early indications seem to suggest that it is indeed a major revamp of both the core and the UI, and that Firefox will be a much better browser for it.

I’m not a big Firefox user because I find the memory management to be very poor most of the time and the spiraling memory consumption affects both Firefox’s performance and the overall performance of my systems. I like Firefox but Firefox just doesn’t like me, so, while I have it installed on most systems, I mostly use Internet Explorer 7 and Opera for day to day browsing. Every time I say this I’m faced by a chorus of users telling me that there’s no problem with the way that Firefox handles memory, but this isn’t what I’m seeing. When a browser starts to edge near to consuming 500MB of RAM on a regular basis, something is wrong. Sure, I hammer the browser and have dozens of pages open at a time, but since both IE and Opera can handle this load, I expect Firefox to do so too. So far, it can’t, and because of that the icon doesn’t get clicked on that often.

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(4 replies) #1 Lasker on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:30
in Mac OS X Tiger it crash at startup, it happen all the time
#1.1 selflysis on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:34
Did you report it?
#1.2 Lasker on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:35
Quote - (selflysis said @ #1.1)
Did you report it?


I will do now
#1.3 kaiwai on 20 Nov 2007 - 16:53
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
in Mac OS X Tiger it crash at startup, it happen all the time


Have you tried the latest build from the nightly directory? there have been a number of bugs corrected after Beta 1 was branched off:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/fir...11-20-04-trunk/
#1.4 Lasker on 20 Nov 2007 - 17:23
Quote - (kaiwai said @ #1.3)
Quote - (Lasker said @ #1)
in Mac OS X Tiger it crash at startup, it happen all the time


Have you tried the latest build from the nightly directory? there have been a number of bugs corrected after Beta 1 was branched off:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/fir...11-20-04-trunk/


Thanks for the link!
(1 reply) #2 selflysis on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:35
I like the new 'feel' of the browser, in my opinion, there's only so many more features Firefox can gain - beyond that will be bloat.

if they clean the core up and optimize the core for the various operating systems it runs on... KUDOS to Mozilla dev.
#2.1 ThaCrip on 21 Nov 2007 - 00:09
i 100percent agree with you on your statement!

cause i want decent look (which it already has), SPEED/Functionality/Security (these are #1 in my book)
(3 replies) #3 necrosis on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:43
Mozilla compiled x64 version would make me happy.
#3.1 Lant on 20 Nov 2007 - 17:16
Same... I have to go to http://www.vector64.com/WindowsBuilds.html to get mine.
#3.2 postoasted on 20 Nov 2007 - 21:50
Quote - (Lant said @ #3.1)
Same... I have to go to http://www.vector64.com/WindowsBuilds.html to get mine.
Strange, I've been using X64 and 32bit FF for over a year and I've encountered no problems. I also have about 20 add-ons too. I don't see the need for a 64bit FF browser.
#3.3 Angel Blue01 on 20 Nov 2007 - 23:26
When are they going to do this?
(1 reply) #4 Webgraph on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:52
Except for a couple of design bugs, I definitely dig the new Firefox 3 interface in Mac OS X. Much better than the old pinstripe version, that's for sure.
#4.1 Justin- on 20 Nov 2007 - 18:56
I do agree.

I'm using the Vista version too and the skin's still very ugly, though.

I think this beta is quite nice on Mac OS X though.

Firefox does like to consume a ton of ram at times, but it's not bothered me so much like it used to. Plus, I'd rather it know my history better and use more ram, than not. I've had to go back many times to closed tabs that I closed and needed again later.
(4 replies) #5 Thrawn on 20 Nov 2007 - 15:55
Tut tut, n00b free-software programmers and their memory leaks!
#5.1 xMorpheousx416 on 20 Nov 2007 - 17:36
So.... we can expect to have a final version of the browser you're writing when??


Windows ME had serious issues with memory leaks.... biggest software embarrassment in history. (aside from AOL)


I could say more, but your generalization of "free" software programmers is more than enough to discredit anything you could say from here on out.
#5.2 Julius Caro on 20 Nov 2007 - 21:19
you forgot norton antivirus
and norton's everything
#5.3 eck0 on 21 Nov 2007 - 02:03
Quote - (Thrawn said @ #1)
Tut tut, n00b free-software programmers and their memory leaks!


<snipped - rule 2>

Last edited by PureLegend on 21 Nov 2007 - 18:59
#5.4 nonick on 21 Nov 2007 - 09:57
Quote - (Thrawn said @ #5)
Tut tut, n00b free-software programmers and their memory leaks!


how old are? 12?
#6 X'tyfe on 20 Nov 2007 - 16:12
i personally wont try this out until its final
but, with all the good things im hearing, i expect them
#7 +Lexcyn on 20 Nov 2007 - 16:15
Doesn't even open on my laptop. Strange. Guess I will wait until RC to try it.
(1 reply) #8 +Shadrack on 20 Nov 2007 - 16:45
Let me summarize this post:

* Firefox 3.0 Beta 1 is out.
* Firefox has poor memory management compared to IE7 or Opera.

How about... what's new in Firefox 3.0 beta 1? Or how well does it perform? Or anything relating to the subject of "First look at Firefox 3.0 Beta 1" for Christ's sake?
#8.1 +Cy Bones on 20 Nov 2007 - 17:11
Have a look at the Full Story - it has covers a bit more and has a gallery.
(2 replies) #9 SHADOW-XIII on 20 Nov 2007 - 17:47
I heard that FF 3.0b1 got horrible bugs (blocks) - this version should not see sun light at all !
#9.1 TSThomas on 20 Nov 2007 - 22:55
Quote - (SHADOW-XIII said @ #9)
I heard that FF 3.0b1 got horrible bugs (blocks) - this version should not see sun light at all !
That's why it's called a BETA release.
#9.2 bangbang023 on 21 Nov 2007 - 01:50
You read one over exaggerated article on the internet and formed your opinion solely on that?
#10 mlauzon76 on 20 Nov 2007 - 18:58
<snipped - rule 7 and rule 12>

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(1 reply) #11 PENGUINwithM4A1 on 20 Nov 2007 - 19:15
Just loaded it, really like the updates to it but my god Mozilla fix the memory leak.

800MB of ram usage. :<
#11.1 Croquant on 20 Nov 2007 - 23:31
Unload you extensions and try that again. No way it should be soaking up that mush system memory.
#12 mlauzon76 on 20 Nov 2007 - 19:41
<<removed>>

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#13 Gareth on 20 Nov 2007 - 20:06
Running on OS X Tiger and very impressed.

The start time seems to have improved as does the overall browsing speed. I love the UI, gunna have a tinker around with it and see how it goes, so far so good!

Gareth
(1 reply) #14 vipwoody on 20 Nov 2007 - 21:12
what is the major update?
did the GUI change? or still the same? and are you sure this is a BETA? because it happened before, and it became a pre-beta.

Woody
#14.1 Jugalator on 21 Nov 2007 - 02:32
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because it happened before, and it became a pre-beta.

That's because people sometime post links to their FTP sites and call whatever they like "beta", "alpha" etc when it's really nightlies.

But you can check the link in the story above and make up your mind this time.
(2 replies) #15 Julius Caro on 20 Nov 2007 - 21:24
When the ONLY thing I do is web browsing, I really don't mind firefox using whatever amount of ram it uses. The amount of ram firefox can use, I guess is limited by the OS depending on the total amount of ram. I don't think I've ever seen firefox go past 400 mb or something. WHich is a lot, but it doesn't bring my system to its knees. If you have more ram, people will use even more. Something's wrong, definitely, but its effects are not that serious
#15.1 ThaCrip on 21 Nov 2007 - 00:36
400MB i would consider pretty bad.

me personally as far as i payed attention to it... is i dont think i have seen my firefox go past 100-200MB and i had alot of browser windows open at the time.

but someone mentioned something about browser history using up more memory? ... cause i dont have mine save it at all.
#15.2 .hasan on 21 Nov 2007 - 02:14
Quote - (ThaCrip said @ #15.1)
400MB i would consider pretty bad.

me personally as far as i payed attention to it... is i dont think i have seen my firefox go past 100-200MB and i had alot of browser windows open at the time.

but someone mentioned something about browser history using up more memory? ... cause i dont have mine save it at all.



well its subjective to each person, 400mb to you may be a lot but it's nothing to me, firefox could use 2gb and my system would still run fine lol
#16 +xan K on 20 Nov 2007 - 22:08
Nice review! Thanks for all the pics! I'm so excited about this new release!
#17 jpalo on 21 Nov 2007 - 07:40
Oh, 2 minutes of navigating Neowin with beta 1 (AdBlock Plus being the only AddOn running) and already using 200 MB of memory.

..but of course I have disabled AdBlock on Neowin
#18 dpcdpc11 on 21 Nov 2007 - 09:39
@ the author of this article... use K-meleon... i will blow away both your Opera and IE7 crap... and it can do almost everything firefox can.. plus no memory load problems... you also have there adblock plus and tones of stuff... and this plugins are macro based and the interface is not XUL... so you wont have any security problems that firefox has... the only thing i miss in K-meleon is the check spelling.. other than that you can customize it as you like. And this is thrully the fastest browser... not Opera or Safari crap.
#19 BassRck4 on 21 Nov 2007 - 11:50
Freeze and crash on win XP
(1 reply) #20 naap51stang on 21 Nov 2007 - 14:06
I had an issue with Vista, click on any of the toolbar menu, and the screen would white out.
I'll wait til it's released. No biggie
#20.1 z0phi3l on 21 Nov 2007 - 14:46
Quote - (naap51stang said @ #20)
I had an issue with Vista, click on any of the toolbar menu, and the screen would white out.
I'll wait til it's released. No biggie



I had that problem too, I fixed it by disabling my Windowblinds custom theme and going back to the default Vista look.

So far this is a huge improvement, takes WAY less time to load, not that I had a problem with FF2 load times, and currently only using ~71 mb

Last edited by z0phi3l on 21 Nov 2007 - 15:03

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