Apple's release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard appears to have brought with it battery drain and intermittent keyboard freezing issues, which are plaguing some MacBook and MacBook Pro owners. Numerous posts in Apple's support forums for both notebooks detail an issue that essentially shuts down the keyboard at random intervals, and affected owners report having to restart or wake their systems if the problem doesn't resolve itself in good time. Trackpads and external keyboards still function normally, however, as noted by AppleInsider.
Users attempting to correct the problem have gone so far as to reset the affected notebook's PRAM (Parameter Random Access Memory) to no avail. Users also say they are still experiencing the problem on freshly-installed Macs, which effectively rules out third-party software as the culprit.
The frozen keyboard issue appears to afflict Apple-branded Intel-based notebook of all ages, with freezes beginning immediately for some or become more frequent over time. The issue persists through Apple's latest Mac OS X 10.5.1 update, and users report experiencing no problems when running Tiger for months prior to their latest upgrade.
Some users suggest that force-quitting Finder temporarily re-activates the keyboard, and one forum poster said he noticed his internal keyboard disappearing from the USB device list in Apple's System Profiler utility whenever the input device was unresponsive.
Users attempting to correct the problem have gone so far as to reset the affected notebook's PRAM (Parameter Random Access Memory) to no avail. Users also say they are still experiencing the problem on freshly-installed Macs, which effectively rules out third-party software as the culprit.
The frozen keyboard issue appears to afflict Apple-branded Intel-based notebook of all ages, with freezes beginning immediately for some or become more frequent over time. The issue persists through Apple's latest Mac OS X 10.5.1 update, and users report experiencing no problems when running Tiger for months prior to their latest upgrade.
Some users suggest that force-quitting Finder temporarily re-activates the keyboard, and one forum poster said he noticed his internal keyboard disappearing from the USB device list in Apple's System Profiler utility whenever the input device was unresponsive.
Battery life issues tied to Leopard release?
There appears to be no quick solution, however, for users encountering shortened battery life on MacBooks converted to Leopard. Some users are reporting on Apple's forums that where Tiger allowed a normal three hours or so of notebook use, they are now down to two or less. "My laptop has become unportable," says a poster in one thread.
Apple does not yet have an official solution for the problem, and has not replied to complaints. It has been suggested by users that the problem may be attributable to taxing new features in Leopard, particularly its enhanced graphical interface. A solution claimed by one user is unrelated, though, and involves fully draining and recharging a battery, and then repeating the process. Many users further say that the draining technique has not worked for them.
News source: MacNN
Link: AppleInsider: MacBook, MacBook Pro owners suffer keyboard freezing with Leopard
FYI XP was NT 5.1
That must be the most retarded thing ive ever read
FYI XP was NT 5.1
Oh, so what Mr. Jobs says is the end-all truth?
BTW, I never mentioned ANYTHING about XP being a "new" OS. Did I? Nope, can't say I did. Since you brought it up, what is Vista? 5.2?
Vista had the same problem with batteries as well. It was soon fixed.
Vista had the same problem with batteries as well. It was soon fixed.
well vista still drains more battery than XP...
It also does more work. With Aero alone, I'd expect shorter battery life since graphics are hungry beasts.
Well, Vista is a drain overall on just about everything. Ubuntu has all of the features of Vista and none of its issues.
Well, Vista is a drain overall on just about everything. Ubuntu has all of the features of Vista and none of its issues.
Linux has DirectX 10 now?
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There are DirectX 10 games out now? It will soon enough when there is a call for it to be added into WINE. BTW, you can add DX 10 even to XP.
I know. Sarcasm is kinda hard to pick up sometimes.
There are DirectX 10 games out now? It will soon enough when there is a call for it to be added into WINE. BTW, you can add DX 10 even to XP.
Oh do tell how!
It also does more work. With Aero alone, I'd expect shorter battery life since graphics are hungry beasts.
the same i could say about leopard, my analogy of newer OS eat more battery than older OS its a fact.
Yes. Yes there are. Go play Crysis on a Vista gaming machine and watch DX10 do it's stuff. Thanks for asking. Next question.
Uh, no. The entire Linux fanbase can call for DirectX to be "added" into WINE all they want but Microsoft's not going to do it. DirectX is what corners the PC gaming market for Microsoft and they'd be idiots to allow it to run someone else's platform. In case you han't noticed, they have a monopoly in that area and nobody's going to stop them.
You can bash XP/Vista/MS/Linux all you want, but I've never heard of widespread KEYBOARD FAILURE!!! "Oh dang it! I was right in the middle of doing some boring computer work and my keyboard has stopped. Oh well, thank God I wasn't playing a game or else I'd be REALLY ****ED!"
Next year when i buy a mac, I'll be sure to "downgrade" to Tiger, unless Apple releases a "service pack" for it.
I hope you are kidding here.
I hope you are kidding here.
I was kidding about down-grading. I'm not kidding about buying a mac next year.
You don't upgrade a Mac, you replace it.
*Except when it doesn't. See dealer for details.
*Except when it doesn't. See dealer for details.
Best post all thread! My hat is off to you, good sir!
The new Core Animation API is nothing more than an easier means to create animated GUI elements without using excessive amounts of custom code. It still relies on the same Quartz rendering engine used by Mac OS X since its initial release in 2001 right?
The 3D Dock doesn't seem to use any more resources than the 2D one. Not even when actively moving a window directly above it.
Dont really see the same from the Windows fanboys with this news...
How strange
Well, that and it's the Turkey Day Weekend, so they're all at home watching football and stuffing their faces. Occasionally some of them wander in here and post their usual "OMFG APPLE SUXORS" nonsense, but then they usually get distracted by something shiny and move on to other stupidity. Like something Xbox based. Once in a while an Apple Macfan and a Windows Fanboy will collide. If that happens proceed in a calm and orderly fashion to the nearest Flame Shelter while the brave men and women of the Neowin Moderation Service risk their sanity and their bandwidth to stop the inevitable Flame War.
:sniff: God bless our Moderator Corps. Let's have a moment of silence for all of them who laid down their fingers to preserve the sanctity of our forums.
And also major version changes are best done from scratch (in-place upgrades usually are a recipe for disaster) and usually on a complete new computer system (they always need more memory, drive space and processor performance). Doesn't matter what your OS religion of choice is, progress is costly.
That frozen keyboard thing sounds pretty cool, so far, I've only experienced it as an extreme static electricity problem, usually solvable by unplugging the keyboard so its microprocessor would reset. Neat software feature, Microsoft needs to duplicate it.
Good to see that you are keeping up with Trolling apple news storys.
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Well, LTD and RAID both cancel each other out. So in fact, there are no trolls!
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Well, LTD and RAID both cancel each other out. So in fact, there are no trolls!
That's the plan.
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Good to see that you are keeping up with Trolling apple news storys.
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Personal attack? One could suspect that you have no argument to counter mine. That's how a child would argue.
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Well, LTD and RAID both cancel each other out. So in fact, there are no trolls!
That's the plan.
It's what maintains the balance in the Force.
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Well, LTD and RAID both cancel each other out. So in fact, there are no trolls!
That's the plan.
It's what maintains the balance in the Force.
See, HE KNOWS! HIGH FIVE!
We're still having trouble figuring out which one of us is using the dark-side.
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Don't you mean in the farce?
The keyboard thing is obviously just an experimental feature turning on. Keyboards have far too many buttons. They might confuse the user. They're just trying to simplify the experience for you by disabling it.
Mac users would look at a three-button Windows mouse and their brains just would not be able to handle it. So they'd have to stick with a mac. I mean, you have five fingers. FIVE! How on earth are you supposed to be able to use more than one button on your mouse? It's crazy, I tell you CRAZZZYYY!!!!!
But then some bright spark put another button on a Mac mouse (something that had NEVER EVER been done before, by the way. Naver. Nope. Not at all. Not in the slightest. Well, xdcept for the various time that some Windows hardware mice did it, but they don't count. Becasue the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Filter* is in effect here) and the rest is history.
*patent pending.
Go fanboys go !
Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.
Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.
whereas windows users just act like ******s
Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.
whereas windows users just act like ******s
You know what? Every time I see one of your posts, you never have any type of facts of figures to back up what you say. All you do is name call. Troll this, ****heads that.... I bet you're the type of guy who would never say anything like the stuff you post to ANYONE'S face. You know what that makes you?
Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.
whereas windows users just act like ******s
You know what? Every time I see one of your posts, you never have any type of facts of figures to back up what you say. All you do is name call. Troll this, ****heads that.... I bet you're the type of guy who would never say anything like the stuff you post to ANYONE'S face. You know what that makes you?
Does it start with a 'p'?
Apple fanboys are natural trools. They behave just like there God tells them to. On the other hand Windows users usually don't give a ****.
whereas windows users just act like ******s
You know what? Every time I see one of your posts, you never have any type of facts of figures to back up what you say. All you do is name call. Troll this, ****heads that.... I bet you're the type of guy who would never say anything like the stuff you post to ANYONE'S face. You know what that makes you?
Does it start with a 'p'?
Nope. B.
As in "Banned"
Wow! Did you use touch screen to type that?
Wow! Did you use touch screen to type that?
Ouch nice one.
I get nearly triple that w/ Vista on Power Saver.
+1
Now that the world has gotten a little taste of a wider mac user base, you're seeing all these little "hiccups" come to life.
There always have been these little "hiccups" in mac's but it was a dirty little cult secret. Protect the name and justify my purchase.
Ignorance at it's finest. Define "most". By your logic, most people with Vista have no problems... most with no problems with XP. That's why every story or thread on Vista, there's not any users with problems? It's a new OS, some have "wonky hardware", but... there's no issues.
What exactly is "wonky hardware"? Are you admitting that Apple has hardware issues? Say it aint so!
The person above has a very valid point about the more people that buy from Apple, the more problems that you're going to hear about. It must be hard for you to understand, you know... being the distortion field and all.
For years the Mac was known as the Crashentosh......
For years the Mac was known as the Crashentosh......
er, no they wasn't I've used pc's since dos and macs since system 7 and they wasn't called that
so, you're a liar.
For years the Mac was known as the Crashentosh......
er, no they wasn't I've used pc's since dos and macs since system 7 and they wasn't called that
so, you're a liar.
I remember them being called Crapintoshes as well as Crashintoshes, and I've used computers since the Altair, CP/M and Mac OS 1. So I guess he's not the liar. (And yes, my original Mac is sitting right next to my Windows PC's monitor.)
For years the Mac was known as the Crashentosh......
er, no they wasn't I've used pc's since dos and macs since system 7 and they wasn't called that
so, you're a liar.
I remember them being called Crapintoshes as well as Crashintoshes, and I've used computers since the Altair, CP/M and Mac OS 1. So I guess he's not the liar. (And yes, my original Mac is sitting right next to my Windows PC's monitor.)
Nope still not heard them called that through my many years off using computers, but if you want to be a ******,m do you want me to list my other systems that I have used? I thought I'd stick to the most popular, but if you want to troll I can list them if you want?
For years the Mac was known as the Crashentosh......
er, no they wasn't I've used pc's since dos and macs since system 7 and they wasn't called that
so, you're a liar.
I remember them being called Crapintoshes as well as Crashintoshes, and I've used computers since the Altair, CP/M and Mac OS 1. So I guess he's not the liar. (And yes, my original Mac is sitting right next to my Windows PC's monitor.)
Nope still not heard them called that through my many years off using computers, but if you want to be a ******,m do you want me to list my other systems that I have used? I thought I'd stick to the most popular, but if you want to troll I can list them if you want?
Who's trolling? You're the one that has called everyone names here today. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Ah, the good old days, when Windows 95 was king and Apple was slowly going bankrupt.
Good times, good times.......
list all your systems that you have ever used, please do, it woudl be intereting to see which website you cut and paste them off.
just cause you have never used a term or heard it used it does not mean it does not get used, crapintosh has been around a long long time.
get a life
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.
are you telling me that Linux can revitilise battery power?
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.
I've got an old HP Omnibook 800CT - Pentium 133, 48MB ram, and the version of RedHat I tried on it a couple of years ago barely made it to the login prompt before petering out- took about 3 minutes to get there too.
Show me notebook which is several years old and can run linux for only 15 minutes.
I've got an old HP Omnibook 800CT - Pentium 133, 48MB ram, and the version of RedHat I tried on it a couple of years ago barely made it to the login prompt before petering out- took about 3 minutes to get there too.
yes cause battery and electronics has very little to do with OS to a certain point, as I pointed out before the linux troll rudely interputted
can you please just posting, you really do not seem to have any idea at all about what your talking.
your battery is old and crappy thast why its ****!!!
You ever hear the saying:
just because you've never seen a million dollars doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Oh, can it. This "FUD" comes from Apple's own support site.
third party stuff is what casues problmes with OS's it's not new theory, just mac users havent had to worry about it before as mac wouldn't let third partys make stuff
third party stuff is what casues problmes with OS's it's not new theory, just mac users havent had to worry about it before as mac wouldn't let third partys make stuff
What about all the stupendously priced LaCie hard drives that would stop working when Apple
fixedmodified the OS so that the drivers didn't work anymore?third party stuff is what casues problmes with OS's it's not new theory, just mac users havent had to worry about it before as mac wouldn't let third partys make stuff
What about all the stupendously priced LaCie hard drives that would stop working when Apple
fixedmodified the OS so that the drivers didn't work anymore?well ok they havent had to worry about it as much as MS. pretty much all these OSX issues coming to the forefront tells me that mac isn't as good and secure and reliable a the fanboys make it out to be.
Yeah okay sure, I went from 3hrs to 3.5hrs doing the same **** I have been.
You mean it snaps in half easier?
Dammmm... I knew Mac hardware was crap, but that's just ridiculous. Thanks for the warning.
Its not as if we could switch to Leopard. We would have to buy a whole new overpriced Mac to do that. With the PC at least you have a much bigger choice of OSes other than Windows.
Yes, you are off topic. Do you want a medal or something?
Back at you on the troll post there
Back at you on the troll post there
True.
But the reply would be that you still can't play/tinker with the insides like you can with a generic (in this context, non-mac) PC.
No matter how much you or I don't care - or no longer care - about messing around in a case, and this illusion of "choice" people speak of, the whole argument will still get you nowhere.
Hey, I could certainly go to a Mac fanboy site, where we could all sing the praises of Apple, unhindered. But it's more fun to stick around here, and at least you get the opportunity to get into a fun back-and-forth with people around here who have a sense of humour, like RAID. Croquant is another example.
So just roll with it and have fun. There's always another news story around the corner . . .
Back at you on the troll post there
True.
But the reply would be that you still can't play/tinker with the insides like you can with a generic (in this context, non-mac) PC.
No matter how much you or I don't care - or no longer care - about messing around in a case, and this illusion of "choice" people speak of, the whole argument will still get you nowhere.
Hey, I could certainly go to a Mac fanboy site, where we could all sing the praises of Apple, unhindered. But it's more fun to stick around here, and at least you get the opportunity to get into a fun back-and-forth with people around here who have a sense of humour, like RAID. Croquant is another example.
So just roll with it and have fun. There's always another news story around the corner . . .
This is EXACLY why I like coming here. When LTD and I get into a little banter, we do not (normally) resort to name calling. Using facts (and stating personal preference) usually helps get your point across better than using personal attacks. You should try it sometime, evo.
Back at you on the troll post there
True.
But the reply would be that you still can't play/tinker with the insides like you can with a generic (in this context, non-mac) PC.
No matter how much you or I don't care - or no longer care - about messing around in a case, and this illusion of "choice" people speak of, the whole argument will still get you nowhere.
Hey, I could certainly go to a Mac fanboy site, where we could all sing the praises of Apple, unhindered. But it's more fun to stick around here, and at least you get the opportunity to get into a fun back-and-forth with people around here who have a sense of humour, like RAID. Croquant is another example.
So just roll with it and have fun. There's always another news story around the corner . . .
This is EXACLY why I like coming here. When LTD and I get into a little banter, we do not (normally) resort to name calling. Using facts (and stating personal preference) usually helps get your point across better than using personal attacks. You should try it sometime, evo.
+1 it so much fun to argue with LTD
No, see... in the "field that distorts"... it DOES make sense!
No, see... in the "field that distorts"... it DOES make sense!
what i find funny, is he has tried making out that he has used every OS under the sun, yet seems to have no idea about any of them, even mac
Actually, to be fair to the Mac users: they have just as many choices of OSes as the rest of the PC crowd plus their very own OS X. Your sentence made it sound as if Linux distros are made to fail upon installation on Intel-based Macs.
Actually, to be fair to the Mac users: they have just as many choices of OSes as the rest of the PC crowd plus their very own OS X. Your sentence made it sound as if Linux distros are made to fail upon installation on Intel-based Macs.
well actually as he did clearly state vista PC, then i assumed he meant OSX computer, i know assuming is bad but you can't even vbegin to compare a slice of apple to a whole orange, if he said mac has more legal OS than windwos then yewah he is partly right they have MAC OS, however i am fairly sure but not positive that if i payed for a license of OSX and i had the right motherboard that supports it, then can i not install it also legally on a PC, in which case the whole comment is still ridiculous
lucky you.
Seriously, is sad to hear all the problems people are getting with Leopard. Let's hope that it's install base doesn't grow to much or it might as well be targeted by virus and spyware makers (i don't know what kind of things can we found if this happens).
All companies have to test better and not rush their products. This is happening with OS's, Apps, Games and almost every Gadget out there.
This all makes for users to start thinking about other choices no matter how cool or appealing the product is. We need that Apple slogan, "It just works" for everything computer-related...
Let's start "I will never switch to Leopard..." topic lol
That's silly. DVD drives don't cook very well. The best way to grill cheese is by putting it between a pair of 2900XT's in Crossfire. That's 450 watts of grilling power.
That's for sure. That's one of the main reasons I'm going to buy a mac. I love getting paid to fix people's problems.
That's silly. DVD drives don't cook very well. The best way to grill cheese is by putting it between a pair of 2900XT's in Crossfire. That's 450 watts of grilling power.
My sandwich maker got 1200 watts! And it's got 1 button to open the lid which always works, so it beats the Mac. But it's got no battery life at all, so after all the Mac pwnz my sandwich maker. What a sad day :'-(
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Isn't that a coffee holder for the laptop? ... he .. he ..
I'm not a fan of the mac ... I prefer MS windows XP Pro or Gentoo for my Linux distro ...
And it's much more advanced than that vista thing, that's for sure!
And it's much more advanced than that vista thing, that's for sure!
Obviously that "vista thing" isn't for you. You stick with your Mac and have fun.
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