Windows Is 22 Years Old
Posted by Steven Parker on 26 November 2007 - 13:15 · 48 comments & 20239 views
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#3 Posted by Magallanes on 26 Nov 2007 - 13:26
- How many Windows patents has expired?.
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#4 Posted by cardg on 26 Nov 2007 - 13:31
- I Recommend the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" about the birth of microsoft and their busyness with Apple (from where came windows ideas), Xerox (from where came Mouse), and IBM (Where they made the real big deal: the license form of software charges)
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#4.1 Posted by plastikaa on 26 Nov 2007 - 13:58
- So Microsoft took the Mouse from Xerox... but other companies didnt? Next you'll be claiming that they used the idea of a keyboard and screen from company XYZ.
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#4.2 Posted by Foub on 26 Nov 2007 - 14:24
- Actually Apple got both the mouse and the GUI from Xerox and M$ stole them from Apple.....
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#4.3 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 26 Nov 2007 - 15:26
- Quote - (cardg said @ #4)I Recommend the movie "Pirates of Silicon Valley" about the birth of microsoft and their busyness with Apple (from where came windows ideas), Xerox (from where came Mouse), and IBM (Where they made the real big deal: the license form of software charges)
Mouse AND Windows came from Xerox PARC. Apple and Microsoft both ripped them off. -
#4.4 Posted by HawkMan on 26 Nov 2007 - 15:57
- Actually I don't need a biased movie to teach me history.
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#4.5 Posted by plastikaa on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:26
- Quote - (Foub said @ #4.2)Actually Apple got both the mouse and the GUI from Xerox and M$ stole them from Apple.....
So did Apple acquire the mouse any different to Microsoft? I don't think either claim it to be there invention, instead its used with Windows (you don't have to use a mouse to use windows). Just like you use a mouse with Linux... I suppose they didn't steal it though, just Microsoft, they're the only company using others inventions.
I also heard Microsoft stole the idea of keyboards... but don't worry Apple didn't steal it. -
#4.6 Posted by C_Guy on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:41
- Thanks GreyWolf, nice to see someone on this thread has facts separated from fantasy.
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#4.7 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 26 Nov 2007 - 17:16
- Quote - (GreyWolfSC said @ #4.3)Mouse AND Windows came from Xerox PARC.Indeed. Much of what's normal today was invented by those bad-ass mother****ers.
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#4.8 Posted by IntelliMoo on 26 Nov 2007 - 19:46
- [quote=GreyWolfSC said,#4.3][quote=cardg said,#4]Apple and Microsoft both ripped them off.[/quote]
Technically, Apple and MS made them commercially viable products quicker than a copier company could. LOL -
#4.9 Posted by evo_spook on 26 Nov 2007 - 23:40
- Quote - (C_Guy said @ #4.6)Thanks GreyWolf, nice to see someone on this thread has facts separated from fantasy.
Ha
I think Apple gave millions in share options for a tour of the Xerox facilites and ideasQuote -Jobs and several other Apple employees including Jef Raskin visited Xerox PARC in December 1979 to see the Alto computer. Xerox granted Apple engineers three days of access to the PARC facilities in return for selling them US$1 million in pre-IPO Apple stock (approximately US$18 million net).
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#5 Posted by Fubar on 26 Nov 2007 - 13:56
- 22 years and their latest os for the mass public still sucks , who would have though eh
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#5.1 Posted by +Aq3e on 26 Nov 2007 - 14:01
- This doesn't have to do with AGE but last night I went from 4GB ram in a machine to 6GB and when I booted to windows the welcome screen said I had too many hardware changes for windows to continue without re-activation, and when I removed the additional 2GB it went back to normal. What gives Microshaft?
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#5.3 Posted by Foub on 26 Nov 2007 - 14:28
- Quote - (plastikaa said @ #5.2)Cant you just reactivate? what's the issue?
Nothing if you like being punished for something you didn't do and have to continuingly beg for permission to use something you bought and constantly being accuse of stealing it. How's your self esteem? -
#5.4 Posted by HawkMan on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:00
- You're not being accused of stealing, you're just being asked to verify that it's still the same computer you installed the OS on.
and it's not just because of the ram changes, triggering an activation requires more changes than that. so I'm gues you have previusly changed some hardware, and some low level driver changes like system drivers can count as hardware changes, but that's more the fault of the eople making the drivers. -
#5.5 Posted by Kirkburn on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:06
- Quote - (Foub said @ #5.3)Quote - (plastikaa said @ #5.2)Cant you just reactivate? what's the issue?
Nothing if you like being punished for something you didn't do and have to continuingly beg for permission to use something you bought and constantly being accuse of stealing it. How's your self esteem?
Punished?
How about when you have to pass through barriers to get on a train, and then get asked on the train by an inspector to show your ticket?
Do you get indignant and tell him to **** off, because you already showed your ticket once? -
#5.6 Posted by C_Guy on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:51
- To answer Fubar's question: Not the ~90% of the market who chose it. For the rest, it's just too difficult. After all, Windows mice have twice as many buttons as it's next biggest competitor. How will one ever know which button to use?
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#5.7 Posted by Fubar on 26 Nov 2007 - 17:10
- Quote - (C_Guy said @ #5.6)To answer Fubar's question: Not the ~90% of the market who chose it. For the rest, it's just too difficult. After all, Windows mice have twice as many buttons as it's next biggest competitor. How will one ever know which button to use?
it wasn't a question it was a statement , say what you will about vista , to me being my own personal opinion and a fare few others vista is a sucky OS simple as but hey each to their own
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#6 Posted by +cJr. on 26 Nov 2007 - 14:11
- Well Happy Birthday... we must get a present for Windows, seeing as though they gave us such a gift with Windows Vista's performance...
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#7 Posted by ThePitt on 26 Nov 2007 - 14:46
- nice. Older than most of the kids that actually use vista...
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#8 Posted by +Lt-DavidW on 26 Nov 2007 - 15:53
- Wow, I never knew that Windows is exactly one week older than myself!
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#9 Posted by IlliniPi on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:20
- Champaign - a city located in Champaign County, Illinois with a population over 75,000 and also home to the wonderful University of Illinois
champagne - sparkling wine
I'm usually not a stickler for spelling, but you rarely see this example.
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#9.2 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 26 Nov 2007 - 17:22
- It's normal to misspell a language that isn't your own. (Even natives screw up! )
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#10 Posted by whistlerxp on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:37
- Uh so you're going to have a 'Happy Birthday Windows!
' posting every year?
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#10.1 Posted by Croquant on 26 Nov 2007 - 18:16
- The name of this site is NeoWin.net. You were expecting, maybe, a Linux fanfest?
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#10.2 Posted by Jugalator on 26 Nov 2007 - 20:20
- No, but it's not even an even number. *shrug*
Not that it bothers me that much, although it was kinda out of the blue. -
#10.3 Posted by FuhrerDarqueSyde on 26 Nov 2007 - 21:13
- Quote - (Jugalator said @ #10.2)No, but it's not even an even number. *shrug*
Not that it bothers me that much, although it was kinda out of the blue.
22 isnt even?
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#11 Posted by Biney59 on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:46
- For those complaining about stealing, DON'T HATE THE PLAYER, HATE THE GAME. And plus, Microsoft started with Windows, which means it did not need the mouse in the start. Windows made Microsoft big, not the mouse.
And for the Apple part. Well Apple was created before, but it must have not been good if Windows over powered it so easily. -
#11.1 Posted by Jugalator on 26 Nov 2007 - 20:24
- Quote -Well Apple was created before, but it must have not been good if Windows over powered it so easily.
Well, that's an oversimplification of the PC vs Apple history. The Apple was hugely popular at a time -- what helped MS was more about marketing strategies than their software quality alone. Building software for IBM to get a foot in proved to be a pretty good idea, not that the software in question was necessarily excellent. MS continued the tradition to build for widely available hardware and this lives on to this day. Microsoft still makes mostly PC-compatible software, while Apple build things for their own hardware.
There are advantages to both approaches; the more widely and easily available software obviously has a major advantage in usage share, while the other one custom built for specific hardware has the advantage in e.g. stability, where the software developer being the same company can make far more assumptions on the hardware without having to rely on third-party drivers nearly as much. And less software complexity of that kind almost always use to result in less bugs and general problems.
So it depends on the definition of "good". "Good" market penetration and software availability? Try Windows. "Good" ease of use, stability, and little fuss? Try a Mac. "Good" customization on several levels from the available code, and a strong community spirit? Try Linux.
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#11.2 Posted by LTD on 27 Nov 2007 - 01:00
- MS exists today with the ability to sell so many substandard software products to so many unsuspecting people because of . . .
Licensing.
Not quality. Not reliability. Not even ease-of-use.
It's a way to achieve ubiquity, which in time, renders unnecessary the need to design effectively, innovate, and focus on heavy R&D because your product is everywhere, all the time, drowning out competing products. Boom. Instant source of long-term cash flow that simply multiplies by leaps and bounds.
Until of course, the competition shows some guts and drive and speaks up. Quality isn't about ubiquity. It's about inspiring the more discerning and discriminating among us. It'll ensure a much smaller user base than the competition, but quality is by nature a rare thing, and your target market will begin to understand . . . and show up with cash in hand. It's how 8% of the market makes 100% of your revenue. And by revenue, I mean fat revenue. The only bloat in the leaner, meaner competition is in their bank account.
Ubiquity has nothing to do with anything. Just means there's a lot of something. Like dust and cockroaches. MS will live forever. Perhaps in time as only a point-of-sale manufacturer. But forever, all the same. -
#11.3 Posted by brianshapiro on 27 Nov 2007 - 01:09
- Actually the view that Microsoft didn't ever in its history do anything better than its competitors except for market strategy is itself BS.
As for market strategy Microsoft came up with the right business model: work on a diversity of computers and devices, while providing a familiar, common interface. Macs stuck to devices built by Apple, and *nix doesn't have a common interface. This is the platform on which Microsoft was able to gain momentum on.
Once on this foothold, it made the center of its strategy creating tools for developers, ie Steve Balmer's mantra developers developers developers, because it realized an OS was about the software that could be made on it.
BUT, the business model Microsoft chose drove some important interface models, including OLE and now .NET . Because Microsoft chose to create what was needed, a "platform OS", it has bee the leader in pushing platforms and standards to the market, including now being a major backer of XML.
You may have misgivings about how Microsoft mishandles this role, ie with HTML, but remember IE was the first browser to adopt CSS specifications, while Netscape was doing some other stuff.
Additionally this focus, has over time led to a lot of interface standardization, that was once in a few applications, like context menus, visual cues, taskbars, etc. A lot that is in newer versions of MacOS was only added after Microsoft put them in Windows 95. At that time MacOS had been lagging technologically and in usability.
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#12 Posted by C_Guy on 26 Nov 2007 - 16:53
- It's sad that these news stories always tun into Apple vs. Microsoft wars. Was Apple even mentioned in the article?
Does the article have the slightest thing to do with who invented the mouse or who came up with the idea?
Thanks for transforming the computer industry and creating countless jobs Microsoft, and happy birthday Windows. -
#12.1 Posted by RAID 0 on 26 Nov 2007 - 20:18
- You know how it goes... when there's a story about Windows or MS, it's OK to bash it/them. When it's a story about Apple, you're nothing but a troll if you make ANY comment other then the highest of praise. It somewhat reminds me of the women who say men are sexist, then turn around and say all men are pigs. The whole (hole) double standard thing.
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#12.2 Posted by evo_spook on 26 Nov 2007 - 23:49
- Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #12.1)You know how it goes... when there's a story about Windows or MS, it's OK to bash it/them. When it's a story about Apple, you're nothing but a troll if you make ANY comment other then the highest of praise. It somewhat reminds me of the women who say men are sexist, then turn around and say all men are pigs. The whole (hole) double standard thing.
Thats very strange coming from you Raid, as you are displaying the double standards that you upset about, any Apple story you leap in with a bash whether its personal opinion or fact, so the agrrievment about anything but the slightest praise is laughable. If you're going to bash as you do, don't turn round now and start crying about it if it gets returned.
As for bringing Mac into it, well, it doesn't seem to be fully mac users doing it in this thread, cguy doing the complaining, brought them into it aswell
For the record, I don't I have ever bashed XP or Vista on here, so you can't complain about me been two faced, unlike some.
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#13 Posted by ajua on 26 Nov 2007 - 22:03
- OK. Let's blame the person who first invented the Transistor because the computer industry stole it to build computers and hardware, not to mention OS companies that took advantage of this and made software that is being ran with transistors.
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#13.1 Posted by Primetime2006 on 27 Nov 2007 - 04:45
- Quote - (ajua said @ #13)OK. Let's blame the person who first invented the Transistor because the computer industry stole it to build computers and hardware, not to mention OS companies that took advantage of this and made software that is being ran with transistors.
Don't forget theft of the first protons and electrons.
But I hear you with the comparison. A lot of these users need to learn to shut up and face the facts. Use the OS you want to use and if you have to come on here to argue with other people, you really need to get a life. Mind you, when I was 14 and had no life many moons ago, I did the same things they do. I guess some people just never grow out of it.
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#15 Posted by Shiranui on 27 Nov 2007 - 00:38
- So hows about a nice 22% discount on your entire Vista lineup?
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#15.1 Posted by myoujinyahiko on 27 Nov 2007 - 00:50
- Quote - (Shiranui said @ #15)So hows about a nice 22% discount on your entire Vista lineup?
Next you'll recommend them to have a 100% discount on their windows when it have reached 100 years old. But then, that's IF Microsoft still exists at that time.
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#16 Posted by Albert on 27 Nov 2007 - 13:38
- happy birthday, and thanks for making the computer world as manageable as possible.
i would hate to live in a world where every equally crappy os with as little as 5% user base has a equal share of the pie, and every each one of them are setting their own hardwares and software standards ... -
#16.1 Posted by ricknl on 28 Nov 2007 - 09:04
- 5% market share belongs to the US market only. Worldwide they have far less market share.
"Windows provides unprecedented power to users today and a foundation for hardware and software advancements of the next few years. It is unique software designed for the serious PC user, who places high value on the productivity that a personal computer can bring", these are the words of Bill Gates, Chairman of Microsoft, marking the release of Windows 1.0.
By 1985, Microsoft has already moved out of Albuquerque, New Mexico and into Bellevue, Washington, and was now extending the DOS operating system with the "Windows operating environment". Windows 1.0 came to the table with a price tag of $99 and signaled the birth of the user interface delivering such programs as Windows Write and Windows Paint.