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[Vista] Thirty-Six Updates Later—and Counting

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 28 November 2007 - 10:29 · 21 comments & 10400 views

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Over the Thanksgiving holiday, I refreshed one of my Windows Vista test machines. Oh my, there were so many Windows Updates. The Lenovo ThinkPad T60p got a clean OS install, because I wanted to see how the experience has changed since Vista's main launch on January 30. The Vista experience is now a topic of great debate. For example, CNET's Crave blog—UK version, anyway—puts Vista on its list of "top ten terrible tech products."

That's for all time, not just for 2007, or so it looks based on the list. Mac OS X 10.0 was a whole lot worse than Vista, guys. Where were they in 2001? Seventh grade? I hadn't ever done a clean install on the T60p with Vista only, meaning no Lenovo drivers or other software. T60p configuration: 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, 2GB DDR2 SDRAM, 100GB hard drive (but with only about 86.8GB available to the user), 15.4-inch widescreen display with optimum resolution of 1680 x 1050, 256MB ATI Mobility FireGL V5250 graphics processor (dedicated RAM and 767MB shared with the system memory), multi-DVD recorder (which may include DVD-RAM), 802.11 a/b/g wireless, Bluetooth and biometric reader.

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#1 Electronic Punk on 28 Nov 2007 - 10:49
Didn't realise you celebrated thanksgiving Daniel ;p
(3 replies) #2 SkyyPunk on 28 Nov 2007 - 11:33
I dont get the OSX 'slam' and what it has to do with anything o.0
#2.1 Eredain on 28 Nov 2007 - 11:48
Cause the moment you say vista or xp someone has to compare it with os x to prove something that to a lot of ppl doesn't matter. When i could play all my games in OSX and Vista and Linux as perfectly as in XP then start to compare.
#2.2 LTD on 28 Nov 2007 - 13:31
Quote - (Eredain said @ #2.1)
Cause the moment you say vista or xp someone has to compare it with os x to prove something that to a lot of ppl doesn't matter. When i could play all my games in OSX and Vista and Linux as perfectly as in XP then start to compare.


It's funny how after a little while of living life with a Mac, games take something of a back seat to everything else.

But if you really are wedded to gaming, then stick with Windows.
#2.3 C_Guy on 28 Nov 2007 - 18:20
Well LTD Mac people don't get much choice than to back-seat games since their options are severely limited. Unless they are running Parallels or Boot Camp.

The OS X slam, I think, comes at c|net because of their painfully obvious (and ground-less) anti-Microsoft bias. It's not so much about OS X as it is steering the aim away from Vista. They were talking about the worst technologies of *all time*, and the author is saying that there are far worse things than Vista, one example being OS X' first release.
(3 replies) #4 LTD on 28 Nov 2007 - 13:53
Mac OS X didn't take 5+ years to develop, fraught with broken promises, missed deadlines, only to result in a letdown in the end.

Mac OS X in 2001 was a radical change from OS 9. Although it did have its problems, it was leaps and bounds better than OS 9, and represented a complete shift in design. It was a complete rewrite. You can in no way, shape or form make an OS X (2001) vs. Vista comparison. Vista needs to stand as the pinnacle of Windows design, as the last great Windows OS before something completely new hits the industry from Microsoft. OS X upon its release *was* completely new - a fledgling platform on which to build, to start all over again. But using Vista as a platform for the next 10-15 years is absolutely ludicrous. We need a complete paradigm shift from Redmond, a completely new take on the way we use and interact with computers.

But all this Vista bashing across the board, from the average user, to tech-experts, to the mass media, has people worried. This FUD (alleged) is lasting just a little too long. And when a public tech site that has phenomenal exposure and a huge readership/viewership makes a landmark decision to announce that Vista is one of the worst tech products in recent memory, we need to pay attention, and take a long hard look at what 5 years of development has brought. XP is being promoted and over-promoted. That shouldn't be happening.

I don't know what it is anymore, but something is definitely wrong at Redmond.
#4.1 rm20010 on 28 Nov 2007 - 16:55
Your first sentence has a point. It was because MS was being far too open during the development process, whereas Apple keeps a tight lid on whatever change they make to their products until months before it's released.

Windows 7's development seems to be heading down the tight-lipped route now that the management team in charge of Windows has been shuffled a bit post Vista's release. But that will give bloggers/reporters nothing to write about, and they'll bitch. Guess MS can't win either way.
#4.2 C_Guy on 28 Nov 2007 - 18:37
According to my math, if it is 2007 now and OS X was released in 2001 and it's 5th service pack or release or whatever you would like to call it just came out then it is more than 5 years in development. Simple, simple math.

You have an excellent argument LTD, however, you are missing an important point. c|net has a very well known anti-Microsoft bias. You know that when you go there any Microsoft news will be in a less-than-positive light. You know that any comparison articles will favor the product Microsoft is up against even if the Microsoft product is better. You know that you will rarely if every hear any good news about Microsoft. Therefore, few people should be surprised by this and no one should take it to mean anything other than they are still biased against Microsoft. This total lack of maturity and professionalism is expected at C|net.

Look to credible sites and the reviews are mixed.
Look to Neowin commentary the reviews are mixed.

What have most people been able to agree on? They are tired of the negative Vista press, especially when it's unfounded or repetitive.
#4.3 LTD on 29 Nov 2007 - 02:39
Quote - (C_Guy said @ #4.2)
According to my math, if it is 2007 now and OS X was released in 2001 and it's 5th service pack or release or whatever you would like to call it just came out then it is more than 5 years in development. Simple, simple math.

You have an excellent argument LTD, however, you are missing an important point. c|net has a very well known anti-Microsoft bias. You know that when you go there any Microsoft news will be in a less-than-positive light. You know that any comparison articles will favor the product Microsoft is up against even if the Microsoft product is better. You know that you will rarely if every hear any good news about Microsoft. Therefore, few people should be surprised by this and no one should take it to mean anything other than they are still biased against Microsoft. This total lack of maturity and professionalism is expected at C|net.

Look to credible sites and the reviews are mixed.
Look to Neowin commentary the reviews are mixed.

What have most people been able to agree on? They are tired of the negative Vista press, especially when it's unfounded or repetitive.


Fair enough, point taken. I suppose it's the Fox News of tech sites . . .
(5 replies) #5 phiberoptik on 28 Nov 2007 - 14:05
36 Windows Updates OMG...

Anyone know how many XP had since Vista was released, I'd be willing to bet it's over double.
#5.1 ajua on 28 Nov 2007 - 15:07
good question.

but come on people, lets get this vista vs xp vs osx trolling aside.

its just getting on my nerves, i read about it almost everyday and is getting more annoying eveytime.
#5.2 Swordnyx on 28 Nov 2007 - 15:54
I know! Why the hell do people care so much about the way they choose to run apps?
#5.3 phiberoptik on 28 Nov 2007 - 16:11
It's apparently the new cool thing to do....
#5.4 MioTheGreat on 28 Nov 2007 - 18:43
Since XP's release? Hundreds.
#5.5 excalpius on 29 Nov 2007 - 05:40
Since everyone knows by now it doesn't really matter, this is all they have to gripe about...technologically speaking.

Heaven forbid anyone should worry about King Duncalot and his fascist corporate stooge police state usurpation of our freedoms and the mortgaging of the entire country to the Chinese at the cost of our collapsing US dollar and future standard of living. Ahem.
#6 GreyWolfSC on 28 Nov 2007 - 16:46
Every operating system article posted from now on that's just a link to some bozo's opinion gets a quality rating of 1.
(2 replies) #7 Primetime2006 on 29 Nov 2007 - 02:45
Could you post any more blogs and call them "news from trustworthy sources"? Give me a break. Some guy's opinion over another.

Trolling.
#7.1 toadeater on 29 Nov 2007 - 07:03
Quote - (Primetime2006 said @ #7)
Could you post any more blogs and call them "news from trustworthy sources"?


Let's see, first you people slammed CNet for it's negative article about Vista, now you slam eWeek. Who will it be next? I can show you some negative articles from PC World and Information Week too.

Come to think of it, every single major tech news site has done negative stories about Vista. Do you think it might be another vast left-wing conspiracy by the "liberal media"? I think it's more likely that Vista deserves some of that criticism.
#7.2 rm20010 on 29 Nov 2007 - 09:11
Quote - (toadeater said @ #7.1)
I think it's more likely that Vista deserves some of that criticism.


Keyword: some.

Vista deserves to be criticized to the point where MS is always on their toes fixing stuff they messed up on. But when a site posts "a generally pointless upgrade" as a reason Vista's the "worst product in history" then you know someone wrote that in a mad rush before taking a massive dump.
#8 lammmetak on 30 Nov 2007 - 18:16
lol Os x started from scratch in 2000.. there working already for 23 years on that piece of junk.

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