aren't the RIAA sick and tired of this goose chase?

For God sake when I buy a CD, I believe I have the right to listen to its content whenever I want and i dont always carry my laptop.

I know we dont "own" the content but we have the right to listen to it even in our sleep and MP3 players made that so much easier.

Its not like the recording industry are not making billions already. GET A LIFE RIAA.

RIAA don't care if you think you have the right to do this or to do that. The law says you don't and they are there to apply it.

I would like to kill my boss, but it's illegal.

Pip'

RIAA don't care if you think you have the right to do this or to do that. The law says you don't and they are there to apply it.

I would like to kill my boss, but it's illegal.

Pip'

That's an argument. That isn't the law. Even judges have gotten irritated at the RIAA for bending the law. Basically thru some odd sort of events, fair use has ceased to exist. Shall I assume then that all those new fangled record players with a USB port out the back might be encouraging bad behavior. I converted several 78's for some of my Senior relatives. Obviously they don't have a 78 player and those almost 100 year old 78's probably are long out of print.

At least for now I'm on an off music moment. Sometimes on mostly off (although I certainly wouldn't want a REAL cd sitting in my car. That might encourage some bad behavior from actual thieves.)

Have plenty of movies, books and video games to keep me entertained. As well as some adult fare to keep me busy. Just the same old RIAA I guess. Running things like organized crime. Much like Bush did. Hey it's legal.. cause I told my attorney general to make it legal.

RIAA don't care if you think you have the right to do this or to do that. The law says you don't and they are there to apply it.

I would like to kill my boss, but it's illegal.

Pip'

RIAA don't care if you think you have the right to do this or to do that. The law says you don't and they are there to apply it.

I would like to kill my boss, but it's illegal.

Pip'

Personally, I think the amount of bull**** the RIAA spews from it's putrid mouth is unauthorised. Maybe I should sue.

I was once told by a lawyer friend exactly the same ...

I was once told by a lawyer friend exactly the same (as far as the UK is concerned), that ripping a CD to mp3 isn't legal. Hence, according to the letter of the law, all mp3 players are illegal, as they exist to reproduce illegally ripped contents. Hence, if mp3 players are illegal, they shouldn't even be allowed to be sold anyway, etc.. etc..

Actually, the same goes for the TV. You are allowed to tape something off of it, but, again according strictly to the law, you have to erase tat same tape the latest after 7 days. You are not allowed to keep tapes longer than that.

What about people who buy an mp3 player and purchase music through online stores (ie. apple itunes store).

According to the RIAA that would be authorized use so you'd be fine. It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic the RIAA is.

RIAA (Retarded Industry of America Association)... luckily im in Canada.... WOOOHOOO!!! Here the RCMP and Parliament declared that piracy is legal as long as its for personal use and non-profit.

It was actually a supreme court ruling, not parliment or the RCMP. The fact that the justice came up with the ruling was due to the way present copyright rules are written. unfortunately, the present government is due to table a bill that is eerily similar to the DCMA act in the United States

It appears that bill may be quashed after all:
link to cbc

So why did the CRIA shut down Demonoid.com and various other Canadian websites?

Thank god I live in Canada.

1. Ripping your own CDs to a playable format for your player is *NOT* stealing. It never was, and it never will be.

2. Downloading CDs that you don't own a physical copy of, is *NOT* stealing. It never was, and it never will be.

Stealing implies that one has lost property of some sort. When downloading an album, the record companies and bands have not lost any property whatsoever. In fact, it is basically invisible to them, and they have no way of knowing without using dirty tricks.

RIAA justifies this as stealing by counting it as a lost sale. This is simple mathematics. downloading does not imply not buying the CD which in turn would imply lost sale. You cannot guarantee that someone who downloads an album will not purchase it later. Many of you will argue that once someone downloads an album, they will never buy it. But the truth is, you have no idea what someone will do. Even if all your friends, or if you knew 100 people, and they NEVER buy a CD they downloaded, that does not accurately represent the entire population of people who download albums. I, in turn, cannot argue that more people will buy the CD afterwards. But what I can say, is that a downloaded album does not guarantee a lost sale.

Therefore, it cannot be considered stealing. And i hope its clear that ripping CD's you've purchased is even less related to stealing.

Hey genius,

Have you heard of intellectual property, in which the owner of that "property" has exclusive rights, called copyrights, on which the owner has control on the reproduction of such property.

They never say that you are stealing, it just says that it is an unauthorized copy, because you don't have the right to make that copy. The only thing said about stealing is a personal opinion by Pariser.

Many of the albums I've downloaded I have bought as real cd's. Including Poets of the Fall, which I'd never heard of, but was so enthralled by their music I shelled out $31 to have it imported from Finland. Money isn't really the problem here. It's the lack of good music. That I have to go to Finland to find some good music is pretty sad.

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Have you heard of this concept called reading? Whoever's opinion it is, she's the lead counsel for the RIAA. Her opinion actually makes a difference, and she clearly stated said she thinks its stealing. In fact, she said "we", and I have no doubt she speaks for quite a number of people. And I argued that it wasn't. Even if it *was* her opinion and hers alone, that doesn't mean I can't argue it.

And by saying "You don't have the right to make that copy", you meant "I don't have the right", because I sure as hell have that right, living in Canada and all.

And with regards to intellectual property, thanks. I had no idea. What will they come up with next??

By definition, it is still not stealing. There is still no loss of property. You can, however, call it "copyright infringement", I'm sure you're familiar with the term, you intellectual property expert you. My post was mainly arguing the terms they use. Not once did I say it was legal, or even morally right or wrong.

He never wasn't talking on behalf of the RIAA. He said "I suppose we can say he stole a song". And why would I be talking about Canada? RIAA represents only the recording industry on USA. Plus, what are you trying to say? That the author doesn't has copyrights over his creation on Canada?

You're going to have to rephrase your first two sentences because I'm not entirely sure if you're using a double negative or you made a typo.

You're missing the entire point of my original post. I'm arguing semantics basically.

And I'm trying to say that in Canada, its perfectly legal to make personal copies of your music for private use. Therefore, I am still authorized to rip my CD's. I'm well aware that the RIAA represents american record companies, but trust me their views are synonomous with the CRIA. If an author wants to sell his product in our country, he must follow our laws. He definitely has copyrights over his creation but the rights are not exactly the same.

Maybe you thought I was sayings its okay to infringe copyright in Canada, but I'm not. I'm strictly refering to ripping CD's for personal use.

He never wasn't talking on behalf of the RIAA. He said "I suppose we can say he stole a song". And why would I be talking about Canada? RIAA represents only the recording industry on USA. Plus, what are you trying to say? That the author doesn't has copyrights over his creation on Canada?

People, the RIAA is evil, they REPRESENT THE LABELS. Don't take your anger out on RIAA.

I think it means you can keep one physical copy, but anyway - no ones exactly going to know are they lol?

Dunno about you, but I've yet to have a police officer come into my house and inspect my computer for rips.

If the RIAA had its way you'd have to buy a copy for each time you listen to it, or pay a royalty when you hum it to yourself. They even consider it illegal sharing when you play your radio to loud so that others can hear it.