iSuppli: 8GB iPod Touch costs Apple $155.04
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#1 Posted by Hurmoth on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:23
- Not shocking really. Apple has always overpriced their products. I still wub my iMac, my iPod and my iPhone. Soon to be a MacBook owner when the ultra-portable comes out
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#1.1 Posted by MightyJordan on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:08
Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.
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#1.2 Posted by evo_spook on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:13
Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.[/quote]
You can't compare the zune80 to the touch, if you are comparing to hard drives, then do it to the classic which wipes the floor with the zunes storage. Interface, thats very debatable, and down to personal opinion
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#1.3 Posted by RAID 0 on 20 Dec 2007 - 02:12
- I'm not a Mac lover at all. I do like Mac products though. You call it crap, but I like Apple products and sometimes you're going to pay more for products that are so proprietary.
You pay $200-400 for Windows, which I think is overpriced for what you get, so what's the difference?[/quote]
Uhhhh.. one is an operating system, the other is hardware?
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#1.4 Posted by Hurmoth on 20 Dec 2007 - 02:32
- Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #1.5)That isn't the point. We're talking about companies overpricing their products. Microsoft does it, Apple does. Who cares as long as it fits your needs, wants and personal taste?Quote - (Hurmoth said @ #1.4)I'm not a Mac lover at all. I do like Mac products though. You call it crap, but I like Apple products and sometimes you're going to pay more for products that are so proprietary.
You pay $200-400 for Windows, which I think is overpriced for what you get, so what's the difference?
Uhhhh.. one is an operating system, the other is hardware?
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#1.5 Posted by Shadrack on 20 Dec 2007 - 02:34
- Quote - (MightyJordan said @ #1.2)Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.
I bet the Zune is similarly "overpriced." I think these kinds of articles are dumb because they do not take into account development costs and fabrication costs. Just hardware.
For $249 you can get an iPod Classic 80GB. As to which one is better, i think it is a matter of personal opinion.
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#1.6 Posted by Shadrack on 20 Dec 2007 - 03:00
- Quote - (Shadrack said @ #1.7)Quote - (MightyJordan said @ #1.2)
Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.
I bet the Zune is similarly "overpriced." I think these kinds of articles are dumb because they do not take into account development costs and fabrication costs. Just hardware.
For $249 you can get an iPod Classic 80GB. As to which one is better, i think it is a matter of personal opinion.
They also do not take into account marketing, packaging, and support. The guy at best buy who sold you the thing gets a pay check too.
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#1.7 Posted by wired57 on 20 Dec 2007 - 07:29
- Quote - (evo_spook said @ #1.3)Quote - (MightyJordan said @ #1.2)
Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.
You can't compare the zune80 to the touch, if you are comparing to hard drives, then do it to the classic which wipes the floor with the zunes storage. Interface, thats very debatable, and down to personal opinion
Yeah, but once you jailbreak it, the ipod touch can have all the iphone apps, and everything. so wtf should I get a Zune, when I can get an ipod touch, that lets me do 10x more, IRC web browseing, IM, and more.
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#1.8 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 07:34
- Quote - (Hurmoth said @ #1.6)Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #1.5)That isn't the point. We're talking about companies overpricing their products. Microsoft does it, Apple does. Who cares as long as it fits your needs, wants and personal taste?Quote - (Hurmoth said @ #1.4)I'm not a Mac lover at all. I do like Mac products though. You call it crap, but I like Apple products and sometimes you're going to pay more for products that are so proprietary.
You pay $200-400 for Windows, which I think is overpriced for what you get, so what's the difference?
Uhhhh.. one is an operating system, the other is hardware?
vista took 7 years to develop, how long tdid the ipod take again (i have to agree with raid on that one) and yeah i never cliamed MS overproced windows, but when i buy an MS game it costs the same as any other game on the market, they dont charge more simply because it is an MS game. if i buy MS hardware e.g. keyboard, mouse it is not more than the rest of the market, however apple stuff is alwasy more expensive than a comparable product, hell if the made games theyd cost twice as much as the rest of the games on the market, but you did hit the nail on the head PROPREITRY, this is the main reason i hate apple and the only reason it is soooo expenisve, people have this false idea that apple stuff is just better because it is propritetry, when in reality, it is not that much differnet to other comparable products, however the propritry nature means it is a lot less flexible.
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#1.9 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 20 Dec 2007 - 07:43
- Quote - (Hurmoth said @ #1.6)Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #1.5)That isn't the point. We're talking about companies overpricing their products. Microsoft does it, Apple does. Who cares as long as it fits your needs, wants and personal taste?Quote - (Hurmoth said @ #1.4)I'm not a Mac lover at all. I do like Mac products though. You call it crap, but I like Apple products and sometimes you're going to pay more for products that are so proprietary.
You pay $200-400 for Windows, which I think is overpriced for what you get, so what's the difference?
Uhhhh.. one is an operating system, the other is hardware?
Problem I find is that OS X is only available on Macs, which are basically overpriced computers. If I have to buy an overpriced OS, fine. But overpriced OS + PC? Where's the win in that?
It's all about choice though. I'd really like my dollar to go a lot further. Don't care a bit whether it's super compact, trendy, or no viruses (or games* for that matter).
* Games I want.
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#1.10 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 20 Dec 2007 - 14:17
- Quote - (evo_spook said @ #1.3)Quote - (MightyJordan said @ #1.2)
Word. For $249, you can get a Zune 80. 10 times the storage, a better interface, and built-in radio. All for $50 less. Plus, it's better-looking. Don't succumb to buying a stripped-down iPhone.
You can't compare the zune80 to the touch, if you are comparing to hard drives, then do it to the classic which wipes the floor with the zunes storage. Interface, thats very debatable, and down to personal opinion
How does an 80GB iPod "wipe the floor" with an 80GB Zune with storage? Does Apple have a numeric system different than the rest of the world?
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#1.11 Posted by +Axon on 20 Dec 2007 - 19:22
- I'm really shocked at some of these Americans slamming a company for exploiting the virtues of their beloved capitalistic market! I mean really, is it only OK for companies to do this if personally like them?
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#1.12 Posted by whocares78 on 21 Dec 2007 - 00:44
- Quote - (Axon said @ #1.11)I'm really shocked at some of these Americans slamming a company for exploiting the virtues of their beloved capitalistic market! I mean really, is it only OK for companies to do this if personally like them?
the whole world isnt american !!!
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#2 Posted by +shakey_snake on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:23
- Where does it talk about the iPhone?
Is this news article mis-titled?
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#3 Posted by .kvn on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:37
- And in other 'news', a bottle of rioja costs 10 euros in a supermarket whilst the same bottle in a restaurant costs 30 euros. Shock!
p.s. the same rioja costs the supermarket almost 2 times less.
People like myself will keep buying Apple's products the same way we buy good wines because they are good.
Seriously, is this a news story or just an option to cause trolling?
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#3.1 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 00:08
- so if your buying a bottle of wine to drink at home, do you buy the 10 at a supermarket, or do you drive to the restaurant and pay $30 if your going to use analogys at least use ones that make sense
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#4 Posted by plastikaa on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:38
- This isnt suprising at all, anyone who thinks it is needs to open their eyes... Lots of items in shops have at least 50% markup, Apple sell the iPod to shops who then mark it up 50% probably. Meaning they dont make much when they sell it onto shops.. however yes when they sell direct their profit margins are obviosuly going to be better else there would be no point in them doing so.
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#4.1 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 00:09
- this is 100% markup if it was 50% theyd be about $225
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#4.2 Posted by plastikaa on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:45
- Quote - (whocares78 said @ #4.1)this is 100% markup if it was 50% theyd be about $225
Its 100% markup on parts if you buy from Apple direct...
The fact is the price is parts Apple buy and cost to assemble... it has also been researched, developed, designed, packaged, shipped around the world, sold to a shop (who then markup 50% at least normally).
If you do the maths and presume shops do markup 50% to get $300, then Apple sell to shops at $200... $155 of this is parts and manufacturing. So this then means Apple researched, developed, designed, packaged, and shipped around the world your iPod for $45, and go a few dollars profit left over.
So whats the big rip off scam everyone is shouting about?
(On a side note using the same above logic if they did sell for $225 and the shop had marked up the product by 50%, Apple would be selling a product to shops for $150.... even if Apple ignored all research, packaging etc. they would still be loosing money on every iPod they sold to retailers.) -
#4.3 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 02:00
- Quote - (plastikaa said @ #4.2)Quote - (whocares78 said @ #4.1)this is 100% markup if it was 50% theyd be about $225
Its 100% markup on parts if you buy from Apple direct...
The fact is the price is parts Apple buy and cost to assemble... it has also been researched, developed, designed, packaged, shipped around the world, sold to a shop (who then markup 50% at least normally).
If you do the maths and presume shops do markup 50% to get $300, then Apple sell to shops at $200... $155 of this is parts and manufacturing. So this then means Apple researched, developed, designed, packaged, and shipped around the world your iPod for $45, and go a few dollars profit left over.
So whats the big rip off scam everyone is shouting about?
(On a side note using the same above logic if they did sell for $225 and the shop had marked up the product by 50%, Apple would be selling a product to shops for $150.... even if Apple ignored all research, packaging etc. they would still be loosing money on every iPod they sold to retailers.)
before you go on about R&D costs (which include researched, developed, designed, packaged) of the ipods etc, consider first how many have they sold, milions, lets just assume it is 1 million take out shipping which i iwill assume costs like 10 MAX per pod, and your looking at 35 million of R&D (minimum which is spread across a numebr of products, i.e. half the R&D in the iphone is used in the ipods too), hahah yeah right, i work for an R&D company an i can tell you stuff dont cost that much to R&D. -
#4.4 Posted by plastikaa on 20 Dec 2007 - 15:02
- So we have $45 that Apple sees after manufacturing costs ... you have assumed $10 of shipping which leaves $35, now take away a couple of dollars here and there for licensing costs of some of the technology, and other costs and you soon bring that down a little bit more. Remember Apple then have to get profit from this too...!
When you look at the numbers in depth it looks about right for profit imo.
Who complains FCUK make clothes for a couple of pounds in the UK and sell them for £100+ sometimes? No-one.
Im not even a huge fan of Apple or the iPod - I just think its them bashing a company for making profit. If you look at similar products from other companies they probably make just as much. -
#4.5 Posted by whocares78 on 21 Dec 2007 - 03:19
- Quote - (plastikaa said @ #4.4)So we have $45 that Apple sees after manufacturing costs ... you have assumed $10 of shipping which leaves $35, now take away a couple of dollars here and there for licensing costs of some of the technology, and other costs and you soon bring that down a little bit more. Remember Apple then have to get profit from this too...!
When you look at the numbers in depth it looks about right for profit imo.
Who complains FCUK make clothes for a couple of pounds in the UK and sell them for £100+ sometimes? No-one.
Im not even a huge fan of Apple or the iPod - I just think its them bashing a company for making profit. If you look at similar products from other companies they probably make just as much.
look at the numbers
Apple is expected to sell 9.1 million iPod touch units if those numebr are corect Apple could make about $1.54 billion in gross profit on FY08 iPod touch sales.
lets half that again, just to get rid of all those litlte things that add up the cost. so yeah they ARE making a lot of profit, especially for a technical product. we all know margins in the tech industry are pretty low
and yeah we ALL know brand name clothes are over priced, but thats not what the article is about
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#5 Posted by craybox on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:43
- certainly in europe the mark up price is usually 2.5x the product price...
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#6 Posted by jamesyfx on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:49
- I don't think it's that highly priced.. they're just covering all the money spent on developing the thing.
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#7 Posted by LTD on 19 Dec 2007 - 21:52
- Note to Economics-class flunkees:
Apple doesn't go cheap. Quality costs money.
Besides, the standard "rule of thumb" ratio for Production Cost to Retail List Price is 7:1.
That's right, folks. If it costs me $10.00 to produce an item (assembly and materials), then in order for all the links in the chain to get paid, you will pay $70 for the same item.
You can mitigate some of these fees by eliminating various "middle-men" and financial types in the chain.
I think it's remarkable that Apple can make a profit with only a 25 point spread.
A quality product is a quality product. I don't cheap out on them. For the complainers who don't fit Apple's market demographic, either increase your disposable income accordingly, or get a lesser mp3 player.
By the way, the Touch does everything the iPhone does, sans the phone functionality. -
#7.1 Posted by Ikshaar on 19 Dec 2007 - 22:07
- Quote - (LTD said @ #7)By the way, the Touch does everything the iPhone does, sans the phone functionality.
Wrong. Apple removed more functionality of the iTouch to keep it more different - therefore not all applications of iPhone are on the iTouch - eg. Maps, Mail, Widgets, Weather are NOT on iTouch.
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#7.3 Posted by thenay on 19 Dec 2007 - 22:18
- iTouch doesn't have the camera like the iPhone
Most of what everyone is paying for is R&D cost, it blows, but that's how it works. -
#7.4 Posted by LTD on 19 Dec 2007 - 22:49
- Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #7.2)LTD, you're right.... quality PC parts DO cost money.
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#7.5 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 00:11
- Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #7.2)LTD, you're right.... quality PC parts DO cost money.
heheh , and they cost twice as much once you put an apple logo on it -
#7.6 Posted by LTD on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:30
- Quote - (whocares78 said @ #7.5)Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #7.2)LTD, you're right.... quality PC parts DO cost money.
heheh , and they cost twice as much once you put an apple logo on it
That logo MEANS something.
Brand loyalty doesn't just happen. -
#7.7 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Dec 2007 - 02:05
- Quote - (LTD said @ #7.6)Quote - (whocares78 said @ #7.5)Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #7.2)LTD, you're right.... quality PC parts DO cost money.
heheh , and they cost twice as much once you put an apple logo on it
That logo MEANS something.
Brand loyalty doesn't just happen.
the logo is an apple with a bite out of it, you dont even get a whole apple the logo to me means overpriced pretty decvices with limited functionality. -
#7.8 Posted by osirisX on 20 Dec 2007 - 06:52
- Quote - (LTD said @ #7)By the way, the Touch does everything the iPhone does, sans the phone functionality.
Where are my Notes, Mail, Stocks, Weather and Map apps?!?! And don't you tell me the touch shouldn't have at least the Notes app to separate it as an iPod. My freaking iPod nano Gen 2 had notes! (Yes I know, not editable but still). -
#7.9 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 20 Dec 2007 - 14:19
- Quote - (LTD said @ #7.6)Quote - (whocares78 said @ #7.5)Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #7.2)LTD, you're right.... quality PC parts DO cost money.
heheh , and they cost twice as much once you put an apple logo on it
That logo MEANS something.
Brand loyalty doesn't just happen.
Yes, it means "bend over." -
#7.10 Posted by C_Guy on 20 Dec 2007 - 16:04
- Wow, someone skipped marketing class. Again.
No, brand loyalty does not "just happen". But it doesn't happen simply by masking PC parts with an apple logo and jacking up the price either.
I'm sure as a self-proclaimed Apple "cultist" you could go on and on about why you love Apple. And I bet that somewhere in your speech you will tell us how Steve made you feel like you HAD to have this thing or that thing and how Apple's products are vastly superior for whatever reason... and their commercials are all true...
It is marketing that develops and strengthens brand loyalty. After all, what is a Mac? A PC masked with OS X and an Apple logo. What's an iPod? A music player masked with Apple's UI and logo. What's Apple TV? a hardware version of Media Centre with an Apple logo. I could go on. But Apple's loyal customers buy it because to them the logo represents so many things.
And it is those things that create brand loyalty... not merely slapping a logo on and jacking up the price. That is a luxury Apple can afford BECAUSE of brand loyalty.
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#9 Posted by Chicane-UK on 19 Dec 2007 - 22:51
- I'm curious to know, does this company do this for any other companies products or does it just have it in for Apple or something?!
Shock horror - company is in business to make money! More at 11!
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#11 Posted by virtorio on 20 Dec 2007 - 00:19
- Hey whoa, wait a minute. You mean to say Apple is running some kind of business?
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#11.1 Posted by crazihouse on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:38
- I know, I'm in shock!
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#12 Posted by evo_spook on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:11
- How come they never investigate other products eg the zune
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#12.2 Posted by RAID 0 on 20 Dec 2007 - 01:50
- Quote - (LTD said @ #12.1)Lack of interest.
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#12.3 Posted by +rm20010 on 20 Dec 2007 - 08:48
- Quote - (LTD said @ #12.1)Lack of interest.
That, plus the fact that the damn thing isn't available in Canada. (You and me both, we sure as hell haven't ran into a single soul that can sell it up here without importing it from the States.)
On that same note, the only iPhones up here are also imports and, surprise surprise, they're unlocked. Who knows what Rogers will do to these iPhones once they get their hands on them. Oh let's see, we'll just swap out the media library with this gaudy looking piece of crap Java applet that encourages us to pay for poorly encoded tunes.
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#13 Posted by fivehorizons on 20 Dec 2007 - 04:56
- Apple's trying to make money? Bastards!
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#14 Posted by david13lt on 20 Dec 2007 - 05:02
- Am... Zune has the same price as iPods, I think Zune has almost the same margin
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#14.1 Posted by Shadrack on 20 Dec 2007 - 05:42
- exactly. people who think otherwise really need to take their heads out of their asses. I'm not saying iPod > Zune or vise versa. Thats a matter of opinion and personal taste. But people who think a Zune is a steal and an iPod is a rip off need a reality check.
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#15 Posted by graaant on 20 Dec 2007 - 07:45
- Is it just me or does the Front Page "News" continue to gradually decline into mindless speculation, arguing, fanboyism and increasingly away from actual "news"?
Come on guys, the quality of posting really needs to be checked, it's getting away from informative and enjoyable to simply pathetic.
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#15.1 Posted by daPhoenix on 20 Dec 2007 - 07:57
- Quote - (graaant said @ #15)Is it just me or does the Front Page "News" continue to gradually decline into mindless speculation, arguing, fanboyism and increasingly away from actual "news"?(
Welcome to Neowin or net in general.
Anonymity breeds stupidity - if everyone online was trackable, identifiable and accountable to what they say and do, a lot of these "tough guys" would keep their quality opinions to themselves. Ah, we can only hope.
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#16 Posted by C_Guy on 20 Dec 2007 - 16:11
- If iPod wasn't a technical gadget then I would not be surprised at all. 100% markup is not that unusual.
But in tech it is. Look at game consoles. They are sold near cost. Dell can sell a computer for $300. Except for luxury items like huge plasma displays and surround speakers, there is not a lot of markup on tech hardware products.
Unless you're Apple because, well, they feel you should have to pay big dollars for the 'Apple Experience' (The PC experience with a logo on top and half as many mouse buttons) -
#16.1 Posted by Magallanes on 20 Dec 2007 - 17:18
- Usually electronics devices earn no more that 20% (usually 10%). Apple in this aspect is being insolent and arrogant and this action is never good for business.
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#16.2 Posted by The Gunslinger on 21 Dec 2007 - 07:45
- Quote - (C_Guy said @ #16)If iPod wasn't a technical gadget then I would not be surprised at all. 100% markup is not that unusual.
But in tech it is. Look at game consoles. They are sold near cost. Dell can sell a computer for $300. Except for luxury items like huge plasma displays and surround speakers, there is not a lot of markup on tech hardware products.
Unless you're Apple because, well, they feel you should have to pay big dollars for the 'Apple Experience' (The PC experience with a logo on top and half as many mouse buttons)
I couldnt agree with you more...
The thing is, that Apple fanboys will continue to pay these high prices, in the belief that it is a better product, or makes them elite.
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#17 Posted by Magallanes on 20 Dec 2007 - 17:11
- The guilty is not Apple but bad buyers that spend money on any overhyped products around here, in this case iRiver is way superior in many aspect to Ipod and EVEN sound better (with the default earphone) but people will still buy a overpriced ipod.
Anyways and for the record, Apple products really don't sell really well in comparison with the competitor, for example Iphone sold less that nokia n95.
“The iPod touch likely represents the future of the high end of the iPod line. Click Wheel-interface and Hard-Disk Drive (HDD)-based versions of the iPod are expected to wane in favor of touch-screen and flash-memory-equipped models like the iPod touch. But despite its functional and physical outward resemblance to the iPhone, and the fact that its internals borrow heavily from the iPhone, the iPod touch is no iPhone clone, and has its own unique design,” said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and principal analyst for iSuppli.