Warner Bros Goes Blu-Ray Exclusive
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#1 Posted by Xilo on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:09
- Another lethal hit to HD-DVD... Hopefully we will soon have one standard and HD can really take off.
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#1.1 Posted by mram on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:15
- Quote - (Xilo said @ #1)Another lethal hit to HD-DVD... Hopefully we will soon have one standard and HD can really take off.
If anything, decisions like these are simply cost savings for the vendor involved. Do you really think Warners care about consumer confusion? No, they care about making product in one format instead of two, because it saves them money. -
#1.2 Posted by Xilo on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:25
- Quote - (mram said @ #1.1)Quote - (Xilo said @ #1)Another lethal hit to HD-DVD... Hopefully we will soon have one standard and HD can really take off.
If anything, decisions like these are simply cost savings for the vendor involved. Do you really think Warners care about consumer confusion? No, they care about making product in one format instead of two, because it saves them money.
Who cares? Not only does it save them money, it saves CONSUMERS money. And with one format, consumers will feel safer to adopt HD, which will fuel higher sales and end up making HD technology more affordable. It's a win-win situation. -
#1.3 Posted by mram on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:04
- Quote - (Xilo said @ #1.2)Who cares? Not only does it save them money, it saves CONSUMERS money. And with one format, consumers will feel safer to adopt HD, which will fuel higher sales and end up making HD technology more affordable. It's a win-win situation.
No, it doesn't save me or you money or a random consumer money.
We still buy a player. At one point in time, they supported both formats. If you chose to buy a HD-DVD player, you're spending more money now to buy a new player. If you chose to buy a Blu-Ray player, you are spending exactly the same amount. For those people who haven't made any choice yet, it still creates confusion as Warners is a slice in a much larger pie of distributors that haven't all universally adopted Blu-ray, so there isn't a market-leading decision.
It's basically making a kind of statement like "Warners chose to pick blu-ray, the format wars are over." That's not at all true, so the consumer isn't swayed. What am I supposed to do when I want high-definition movies from minor studios like Paramount or Universal? They aren't Blu-ray. So why would I definitively buy a Blu-ray player now that Warners has chosen a side?
The truth is, I wouldn't, because the format wars are far from over. The real winner will be a cheap player that supports both formats -- the winner won't be decided based upon a single distributor deciding to lessen their distribution money spent on alternate formats. Again: A single distributor making a grandiose change like this only saves them money, it really doesn't help the market at all. -
#1.4 Posted by Xilo on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:15
- Obviously, you failed at reading comprehension, or maybe even basic economics. When there is ONE dominant format, there will be only ONE player consumers would have to buy, and ONE format to buy movies in. Also, there will be a dominant winner. When the majority of studios are releasing in one format, there will be a dominant winner. Is it that hard to understand?
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#1.5 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:33
- Quote - (Xilo said @ #1.4)Obviously, you failed at reading comprehension, or maybe even basic economics. When there is ONE dominant format, there will be only ONE player consumers would have to buy, and ONE format to buy movies in. Also, there will be a dominant winner. When the majority of studios are releasing in one format, there will be a dominant winner. Is it that hard to understand?
You fail at etiquette. -
#1.6 Posted by marty87 on 05 Jan 2008 - 02:09
- Quote - (Lamerz4391 said @ #1.5)Quote - (Xilo said @ #1.4)Obviously, you failed at reading comprehension, or maybe even basic economics. When there is ONE dominant format, there will be only ONE player consumers would have to buy, and ONE format to buy movies in. Also, there will be a dominant winner. When the majority of studios are releasing in one format, there will be a dominant winner. Is it that hard to understand?
You fail at etiquette.
+1
the war isnt over and i guess im a BD supporter.
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#2 Posted by gate1975mlm on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:15
- WoW this is big big news!!
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#3 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:16
- Well.
Will you folks still listen to the FUDsters?
Toshiba's proprietary format just got a death sentence.
Boz and the others are pretty quiet on this... -
#3.1 Posted by HawkMan on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:31
- death sentenc ? I still see lots of studios still doing HD-DVD, sure the majority now supports BD. But it don't reallymatter that much. Neither format will go away.
Anyone who thought that Warner choosing a single format would really have an effect and kill the other format neds to do a reality check. The formats sell too little, and there's far too much money invested.
It's not like the HD-DVD studios will now suddenly go "oh well then We'll switch too". not with HD-DVD being the cheapest format to produce and havign the cheapest players. changign their production lines to BD, is extremely expensive, while HD-DVD allowed them to use a lot of existing DVD equipment for manufacturing.
As a HD-DVD supportr I accept that after I actually get a HD-DVD player, I will most likely have to get a BD player as well to play all the movies I want. The whole one format has to die seems to stem mostly from the BD camp, but then again seeing how much they need to pay for their players I suppose it makes sense they dont' want to cought up 1/4th of that for another player.
Howevr, as a movie watcher, who no longer cares abotu collecting every half decent movie, but only the really good ones, I don't really care about owning movies or physical formats anymore. Xbox360 and XBLM and similar service make infinitely more sense. Now if there only was movie marketplace in my country anytime soon. -
#3.2 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:43
- Lots of studios?
You have Paramount/DreamWorks and Universal.
BD has locked up 70% of Hollywood now.Quote -The whole one format has to die seems to stem mostly from the BD camp
And consumers who will never buy either until there's one format.
Home video is not like video gaming.Quote -but then again seeing how much they need to pay for their players I suppose it makes sense they dont' want to cought up 1/4th of that for another player
BD players, made by many different companies, need to make a profit. Home video is not charity. Toshiba's days of giving away their players are over. -
#3.3 Posted by Xilo on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:43
- Quote - (HawkMan said @ #3.1)death sentenc ? I still see lots of studios still doing HD-DVD, sure the majority now supports BD. But it don't reallymatter that much. Neither format will go away.
Anyone who thought that Warner choosing a single format would really have an effect and kill the other format neds to do a reality check. The formats sell too little, and there's far too much money invested.
It's not like the HD-DVD studios will now suddenly go "oh well then We'll switch too". not with HD-DVD being the cheapest format to produce and havign the cheapest players. changign their production lines to BD, is extremely expensive, while HD-DVD allowed them to use a lot of existing DVD equipment for manufacturing.
As a HD-DVD supportr I accept that after I actually get a HD-DVD player, I will most likely have to get a BD player as well to play all the movies I want. The whole one format has to die seems to stem mostly from the BD camp, but then again seeing how much they need to pay for their players I suppose it makes sense they dont' want to cought up 1/4th of that for another player.
Howevr, as a movie watcher, who no longer cares abotu collecting every half decent movie, but only the really good ones, I don't really care about owning movies or physical formats anymore. Xbox360 and XBLM and similar service make infinitely more sense. Now if there only was movie marketplace in my country anytime soon.
Just because you made a bad purchasing decision... QQ moar -
#3.4 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:58
- Quote - (Xilo said @ #3.5)No need to get hostile. I don't think I'm the fanboy here... I really don't care much either way. I just want a dominant format so I can start buying HD movies with confidence.
Until the next profile revision right? When your Blu player suddenly doesn't support all the features on the latest discs? Buy with confidence!
You fail to understand the point of the comment in the first place. Someone buys into HD media, is disappointed when bad news comes out for the camp they bought into, then some Internet commenter like you rubs there face in it. Nice. Again, you fail at etiquette. -
#3.5 Posted by Xilo on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:10
- Quote - (Lamerz4391 said @ #3.6)Quote - (Xilo said @ #3.5)No need to get hostile. I don't think I'm the fanboy here... I really don't care much either way. I just want a dominant format so I can start buying HD movies with confidence.
Until the next profile revision right? When your Blu player suddenly doesn't support all the features on the latest discs? Buy with confidence!
You fail to understand the point of the comment in the first place. Someone buys into HD media, is disappointed when bad news comes out for the camp they bought into, then some Internet commenter like you rubs there face in it. Nice. Again, you fail at etiquette.
Truth hurts, I know. -
#3.6 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:11
- Quote - (Xilo said @ #3.7)Quote - (Lamerz4391 said @ #3.6)Quote - (Xilo said @ #3.5)No need to get hostile. I don't think I'm the fanboy here... I really don't care much either way. I just want a dominant format so I can start buying HD movies with confidence.
Until the next profile revision right? When your Blu player suddenly doesn't support all the features on the latest discs? Buy with confidence!
You fail to understand the point of the comment in the first place. Someone buys into HD media, is disappointed when bad news comes out for the camp they bought into, then some Internet commenter like you rubs there face in it. Nice. Again, you fail at etiquette.
Truth hurts, I know.
You should.
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#4 Posted by jstillion on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:20
- This is big news, Paramount is the only major studio supporting HD-Dvd, every other major studio is know in the Blue-Ray camp.
I bet Paramounts CEO is so glad for that kick back and going Hd-dvd exclusive about now
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#4.1 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:23
- Universal still is too.
But the writing's on the wall. CES is next week. We'll see what kind of announcements are made.
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#4.2 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 04:03
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #4.1)Don't forget Warner includes New Line. LOTR!
LOTR is to be released for both HD-DVD and Blu-ray though.
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Trilogy-H...D/dp/B000E1MTX6
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Rings-Trilogy-B...5803&sr=1-1
Wohoo.
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#4.3 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 04:06
- Quote - (jstillion said @ #4)This is big news, Paramount is the only major studio supporting HD-Dvd, every other major studio is know in the Blue-Ray camp.
And Apple will start selling Blu-ray Macs soon now, according to a recent news item. I dunno, but I think the trend is getting pretty clear. -
#4.4 Posted by theyarecomingforyou on 05 Jan 2008 - 15:36
- Don't get your hopes up for LOTR on HD-DVD just because it's on the Amazon website - they are frequently wrong and this announcement is very recent. I can't imagine Warner will be releasing any new content on HD-DVD, particularly not a big title like LOTR that will sway a lot of people's purchasing choice.
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#5 Posted by dfua on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:32
- Shame. Now us Europeans can look forward to region code raping again
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#5.1 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:38
- Well, region coding was another reason studios like Disney & Fox would *never* go HD DVD, or studios like New Line would release current titles on BD only.
Warner's BDs are region agnostic. As are Sony/Columbia's catalog releases. -
#5.2 Posted by Julius Caro on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:48
- New Line wasn't BD only. Back in the late 90s, where I already thought region encoding was useless, the only reasoning I saw was that certain movies were released in certain countries when they were still being screened in some countries.
I lived in Argentina back then, and that was almost never the case, most films were released at the same time as in the US. It changed when I came to Spain, a lot of movies are released on dvd in the US and they are yet to be seen on cinemas here.
However, when DVD was introduced, the "importing market" wasn't as big as to justify region encoding.
I learnt the true reasoning with New line cinema. Certain movies from not-so-big studios are handled by different studios/companies depending on the country. With "hairspray", the publisher varies A LOT from country to country, I think, and that's why they held back the hd-dvd version. So basically it is yet another way of limiting the consumer because of stupid "rights" of distribution.
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#6 Posted by Julius Caro on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:39
- I'm speechless!!!!
I was *just* about to get a dual BD/HD-DVD drive for my pc that also happened to be a BD recorder for 230. Guess I'll have to wait until those bd recorders hit lower prices.
1. "Consumer demand"? Most likely "bags of money". Not that I'm against it. HD-DVD did the same with Paramount/Dreamworks and I wasn't whining back then.
2. If this means warner is going to start using region encoding, I wont get warner movies unless the european prices for high def media lowers.
3. I guess this puts and end to the war, but I hope for toshiba and the hd-dvd camp to keep competing, so that the BD camp starts lowering the prices.
4. Now, please, universal, cave in already, I want my heroes on Blu-ray -
#6.1 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 04:08
- Quote - (Julius Caro said @ #6)I'm speechless!!!!
I was *just* about to get a dual BD/HD-DVD drive for my pc that also happened to be a BD recorder for 230. Guess I'll have to wait until those bd recorders hit lower prices.
1. "Consumer demand"? Most likely "bags of money". Not that I'm against it. HD-DVD did the same with Paramount/Dreamworks and I wasn't whining back then.
2. If this means warner is going to start using region encoding, I wont get warner movies unless the european prices for high def media lowers.
3. I guess this puts and end to the war, but I hope for toshiba and the hd-dvd camp to keep competing, so that the BD camp starts lowering the prices.
4. Now, please, universal, cave in already, I want my heroes on Blu-ray
I agree with you in general, was just going to say that unfortunately it's not really as much about the Blu-ray recorder prices being very high (I could actually buy one myself now, the cheapest are at ~$199 now), it's more about the recordable discs being expensive. (even moreso if going HD-DVD as they come in nearly the same price range but much less space) So hopefully those will go down in particular soon enough. That's my last hurdle now.
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#7 Posted by TSThomas on 04 Jan 2008 - 21:40
- Game over man... Pity they waited until AFTER Christmas to announce this. That said, barring any other counter-announcements at CES (Doubtful!) I'll not purchasing a Blu-Ray player until Profile 2.0 hardware is available... or Microsoft releases a Blu-Ray add-on.
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#9 Posted by American Ninja on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:02
- w00t! Blu FTW!!!!
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#10 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:13
- Yaaaaay! More DRM, more region encoding, more "profile" changes leading to hardware obsolescence, higher cost hardware, and increased disc cost for all! Woohoo! Some great news for once!
Netflix downloads FTW!
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#11 Posted by virtorio on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:15
- Well that does it, I'm going to get a PS3.
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#11.1 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:23
- Screw that, media is still too expensive and despite the claims of HD DVD death, this war will continue for a while.
Call me when media is all on a single format, "profiles" are set in stone for the winning format, and the cost for new movies is $20 and older films are $15 and under. Current prices on media are outrageous.
This war is pathetic.
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#12 Posted by Xenon on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:19
- YES! The great thing for us anime fans is that USA and Japan are Region A. I was torn between the ps3 and xbox with HD-player. Boy I am glad I went with ps3.
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#12.1 Posted by huFFamOOse on 05 Jan 2008 - 00:23
- Movies are obviously more important to you than games
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#13 Posted by archer75 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:20
- HD-DVD is the better audio format, visually the two are identical:
In terms of audio/video compression, HD DVD and Blu-ray are similar on the surface: both support MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 for video compression. Virtually every HD DVD released uses an advanced codec (VC-1 or H.264) for video compression, reducing the required space for equivalent quality video. The first generation of Blu-ray Disc movies however, used the older and less efficient video codec MPEG-2. In terms of audio, there are many differences. While HD DVD support for the new Dolby Digital Plus audio codec is mandatory at 3.0 Mbit/s, support in Blu-ray players is optional at 1.7 Mbit/s.[46] Furthermore, HD DVD players must be able to decode the new lossless audio codec Dolby True HD, features that are optional for Blu-ray players. -
#13.1 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:12
- Wrong wrong wrong wrong.
Most HD DVDs use DD+ at either 1536kbps or 640kbps.
TrueHD mandatory support is only stereo, though Toshiba supports 5.1 (Venturer is stereo TrueHD)
Most Blu-rays have lossless audio, either PCM, Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio. *ALL* Sony, Fox, Disney, Anchor Bay, MGM discs are lossless. Most LionsGate and an increasing number of Warner titles were lossless as well.
Of those PCM discs a lot of them use full 24 bit resolution. HD DVD TrueHD has been limited to 16 bit. Nearly all DTS-HD MA are 24 bit as well.
Mandatory doesn't mean squat if nobody uses it. A measly 28% of HD DVD titles have lossless audio. Over 70% of BD releases do. Transformers and Shrek The Third neither had the room nor the bandwidth for lossless audio, they're stuck with DD+ @1536kbps.
All PS3s decode TrueHD and 24 bit PCM. There is far, far more support for lossless audio on BD. -
#13.2 Posted by archer75 on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:21
- I don't know how you can say wrong, it came from wikipedia, I just copy and pasted.
Here's some more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#..._DVD_comparison
In terms of audio/video compression, Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD are similar on the surface: both support MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 for video compression; and Dolby Digital, PCM, and DTS for audio compression. The first generation of Blu-ray Disc movies released used MPEG-2 (the standard currently used in DVDs, although encoded at a much higher video resolution and a much higher bit rate than those used on conventional DVDs), while initial HD DVDs releases used the VC-1 codec. Due to greater total disc capacity, the Blu-ray Disc producers may choose in the future to utilize a higher maximum video bit rate, as well as potentially higher average bit rates. By the end of 2007, both MPEG-2 and AVC encoded discs made up 36% of Blu-ray Discs releases with VC-1 making up the remaining 28%.[92] Almost all releases in the last quarter of 2007 have been encoded using AVC or VC-1.[92]
In terms of audio, there are some differences. To ensure backwards compatibility with older receivers with Dolby Digital decoders, Blu-ray Disc allows conventional Dolby Digital audiotracks at 640 kbit/s and this is the primary audio track for 33% of Blu-ray titles, while it has gone unused for HD DVD titles. The newer Dolby Digital Plus is mandatory for HD DVD players at 3 Mbit/s (and is used in 90% of HD DVD titles)[citation needed], while optional for BD players with support at a bitrate of 1.736 Mbit/s for mixes that require more than 5.1 channels (has only been used on two titles).[94] Both formats optionally support DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, a lossy compression scheme that extends the core DTS audio for better fidelity but yet is still not lossless.
As for lossless audio, 42% Blu-ray Discs have 5.1 LPCM uncompressed audio,[92] which is the only lossless format that is mandatory for Blu-ray players. Blu-ray Disc also has optional support for Dolby TrueHD lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio, a lossless encoding of up to 8 channels of audio.[95] By the end of 2007, 9% of Blu-ray Discs were encoded in Dolby TrueHD while DTS-HD Master Audio was used on 15% on discs.[92] In total, 63% of Blu-ray Discs have either uncompressed or lossless audio. HD DVD also supports LPCM, but unlike Blu-ray, it has mandatory support for Dolby TrueHD, although only 20% of HD DVD movies have lossless audio.
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#13.3 Posted by TSThomas on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:27
- Sorry Archer; Dolby Digital Plus at @3Mbps is not mandatory on HD DVD discs, e.g. Transformers - 1.5Mbps, others at 'only' 640Kbps. Re-read Wikipedia as you suggest - it's quite clear - As stored on disc, the DD+ bitstream can carry for any number of audio-channels up to the maximum allowed, at any bitrate up to 3.0 Mbit/s. What's "mandatory" is what the PLAYERS must support, not what the discs must use.
& sorry PeterTHX; True HD on HD DVD has not been limited to 16-Bit, e.g. Bourne Ultimatum features 24-Bit True HD.
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#13.4 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:28
- Wikipedia? Lod knows they're always right on these things, it's not as if anyone can go in and edit things...
Mandatory means mandatory as in ability for the hardware to decode. It does NOT mean the software has to have it.
There are several movies on both BD and HD that have inferior audio on the BD disc
Care to name some, other than very early releases like Training Day and Phantom of the Opera? Keep in mind DD+ and DD at 640kbps are the SAME encode, just with different packets. (HD DVD has to use DD+ for anything above 448kbps since they use DVD specs, BD can go to 640kbps).
True HD on HD DVD has not been limited to 16-Bit, e.g. Bourne Ultimatum features 24-Bit True HD
Are they sure about this? HiDefDigest has listed several titles with 24 bit audio for either format and have been wrong. 24 bit TrueHD is still fairly rare, Sony's TrueHD releases like the Spider-Man films use 24 bit TrueHD. There are a few 20 bit encodes like Ghost Rider and The Fifth Element.
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#13.6 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 05 Jan 2008 - 01:16
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #13.4)Wikipedia? Lod knows they're always right on these things, it's not as if anyone can go in and edit things...
Mandatory means mandatory as in ability for the hardware to decode. It does NOT mean the software has to have it.
There are several movies on both BD and HD that have inferior audio on the BD disc
Care to name some, other than very early releases like Training Day and Phantom of the Opera? Keep in mind DD+ and DD at 640kbps are the SAME encode, just with different packets. (HD DVD has to use DD+ for anything above 448kbps since they use DVD specs, BD can go to 640kbps).
True HD on HD DVD has not been limited to 16-Bit, e.g. Bourne Ultimatum features 24-Bit True HD
Are they sure about this? HiDefDigest has listed several titles with 24 bit audio for either format and have been wrong. 24 bit TrueHD is still fairly rare, Sony's TrueHD releases like the Spider-Man films use 24 bit TrueHD. There are a few 20 bit encodes like Ghost Rider and The Fifth Element.
So we should trust the Blu-Ray pusher over Wikipedia? Neither you or they are qualified in my eyes to recommend anything. -
#13.7 Posted by HalcyonX12 on 05 Jan 2008 - 04:26
- Quote - (archer75 said @ #13)HD-DVD is the better audio format, visually the two are identical:
In terms of audio/video compression, HD DVD and Blu-ray are similar on the surface: both support MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 for video compression.
Blu-ray actually supports higher video bitrates so it should actually look better with the right codec. I still notice compression artifacts in high def movies, and if they can be reduced at all then I'd rather use the one with the higher bitrate. It's high definition, I don't want to be seeing blocks and graininess. -
#13.8 Posted by PeterTHX on 05 Jan 2008 - 04:30
- Quote -So we should trust the Blu-Ray pusher over Wikipedia? Neither you or they are qualified in my eyes to recommend anything
Blu-ray pusher? Mmmkay. Just clearing the air of all the anti-BD B.S. means I'm a "pusher" so be it.
Believe what you want to believe. You're wrong and that's all we need to know. -
#13.9 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 05 Jan 2008 - 15:59
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #13.
Quote -So we should trust the Blu-Ray pusher over Wikipedia? Neither you or they are qualified in my eyes to recommend anything
Blu-ray pusher? Mmmkay. Just clearing the air of all the anti-BD B.S. means I'm a "pusher" so be it.
Believe what you want to believe. You're wrong and that's all we need to know.
I don't care if you think I'm wrong or not. Look at your own comments on just this news post alone. You have said anything and everything to try to convince us that Blu-Ray is manna from heaven. It's Sony crap and I'm not buying it. -
#13.10 Posted by Dakkaroth on 06 Jan 2008 - 16:53
- Quote - (GreyWolfSC said @ #13.9)It's Sony crap and I'm not buying it.
Well, it's quite clear what your purpose is here then. Considering you've brought no real argument than calling Bluray "Sony crap", I think it's quite fair to say that you're an "HD-DVD supporter, who thinks HD-DVD is manna from heaven". That said, using your own logic here, your point is invalid too.
Now, don't get me wrong, I support neither side. I don't even have an HD TV, much less a player. I just find that if you're going to argue someone's point, give a little effort.
As for him "convincing" people, it's no better than Boz roaming around the forums with his HD-DVD flag. Everyone here supports something, and unless you're complaining about the same HD-DVD pushers on the forum, you may as well leave PeterTHX alone too.
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#14 Posted by Joel on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:21
- I'm confused; indifferent customers demanded Blu-Ray?
Nice of them to wait until AFTER the Christmas season to make this announcement. I guess they needed to clear out all those Harry Potter gift sets.
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#14.1 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:24
- Yeah, f*** the people that bought HD DVD hardware and Warner discs for Christmas, right Warner? Acting like the benevolent overlords looking out for the consumer. What a load of ****.
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#14.2 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:14
- [snipped - rule 5]
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#14.3 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:32
- [snipped - rule 5]
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#14.4 Posted by TSThomas on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:47
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #14.2)Sorry, but your arguments are just plain ignorant.
Warner back in September said 4Q sales would make them decide. HD DVD failed to make those sales.
Now it's you being ignorant.
Nearly a week after a Warner VP appeared to indicate otherwise, the studio told High-Def Digest that it has no plans to cease its dual-format stance, pledging a strong line-up for both Blu-ray and HD DVD in 2008.... Warners Jim Noonan, SVP of Strategic Promotion and Communication for Warner Home Entertainment Group said, "I can tell you that Warner's position has not changed, and I know that Dan did not intend to suggest that wasn't the case. We support both formats and we have made no decision to alter that policy, nor are there any such announcements coming, or being planned."
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/War...sconstrued/1135
Warner's reportedly received a $450 million payoff for this switch.
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#14.5 Posted by PeterTHX on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:51
- [snipped - rule 5]Quote -"I can tell you that Warner's position has not changed, and I know that Dan did not intend to suggest that wasn't the case. We support both formats and we have made no decision to alter that policy, nor are there any such announcements coming, or being planned."
It's called CYA. They obviously didn't want to tilt sales either way. Microsoft does this all the time (XBOX 360 elite anyone?)
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#14.6 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 03:55
- Quote - (Lamerz4391 said @ #14.3)Engadget also says Warner collected a fat check. Hmmm......
When facts start getting thin, conspiracies thrives...
Anyway, here's their reply to this. Although you've likely already made up your mind on this, I'm posting it anyway:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/...to_Blu-ray/1327
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#15 Posted by Lamerz4391 on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:26
- I can't wait for Blu to win, then I can buy my profile 2.0 player and be content in the world of HD media. Then 3 months later profile 3.0 will come out and my player will be obsolete. Will the fun never end???
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#16 Posted by Brandon on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:49
- What they are doing is limiting customer base
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#16.1 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 03:58
- Only in the short term. In the long term, hopefully a format will grow dominant and help people in choosing the more supported format. But yes, there will probably be "causalities" in the format war who picks the wrong format. As in any format war.
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#17 Posted by evo_spook on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:54
- I'll carry on sticking to normal dvd for a few years yet, call me in a few years time when all this has settled down and dvd hd prices are down to normal dvd prices
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#18 Posted by Rfire on 04 Jan 2008 - 22:59
- Region coding and BD+ copy protection making it impossible to backup what you buy.
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#18.1 Posted by archer75 on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:02
- Quote - (Rfire said @ #1Region coding and BD+ copy protection making it impossible to backup what you buy.
Hooray.. not.
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#18.2 Posted by FATILA on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:26
- Quote - (archer75 said @ #18.1)Quote - (Rfire said @ #1Region coding and BD+ copy protection making it impossible to backup what you buy.
Hooray.. not.
They are quite easy to backup. The copy protection was cracked long ago.
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#18.3 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 03:41
- Quote - (FATILA said @ #18.2)Quote - (archer75 said @ #18.1)Quote - (Rfire said @ #1Region coding and BD+ copy protection making it impossible to backup what you buy.
Hooray.. not.
They are quite easy to backup. The copy protection was cracked long ago.
Nope, not BD+.
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=9453
It says this here:Quote -New (Blu-ray): Removed "BD+ not supported" warning, as all available BD+ titles can be copied with AnyDVD ripper, or can be watched on HTPC without HDCP using PowerDVD 3104 and AnyDVD. Reports indicate, that burned BD+ titles work on PS3 and standalone players as well. -
#18.4 Posted by FATILA on 06 Jan 2008 - 12:37
- Quote - (Jugalator said @ #18.3)Quote - (FATILA said @ #18.2)Quote - (archer75 said @ #18.1)Quote - (Rfire said @ #1Region coding and BD+ copy protection making it impossible to backup what you buy.
Hooray.. not.
They are quite easy to backup. The copy protection was cracked long ago.
Nope, not BD+.
http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=9453
It says this here:Quote -New (Blu-ray): Removed "BD+ not supported" warning, as all available BD+ titles can be copied with AnyDVD ripper, or can be watched on HTPC without HDCP using PowerDVD 3104 and AnyDVD. Reports indicate, that burned BD+ titles work on PS3 and standalone players as well.
Copied but not manipulated.
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#19 Posted by XChrome on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:13
- The only reason this has gone on as long as it has is because Sony used "an unfair advatage" by making the PS3 also a BD player. If Sony had not the ability to do this BD would have already been dead because it is and always has been more expensive. Like it or not people want cheap. Beta was higher quality than VHS but guess what VHS was cheaper and so won. If Microsoft had balls and made all XBox 360's have intergrated HD-DVD players in them then it would have also been over a long time ago.
Fact is this will drag on not because there is already a clear winner in HD-DVD but becuase BD refuses to die in part thanks to the boos from PS3 sales.
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#20 Posted by TSThomas on 04 Jan 2008 - 23:58
- Toshiba's Comment on Announcement from Warner Bros. Entertainment of Its Exclusive...
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressReleas...008+PRN20080104
TOKYO, Jan. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Toshiba is quite surprised by Warner Bros.' decision to abandon HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray, despite the fact that there are various contracts in place between our companies concerning the support of HD DVD. As central members of the DVD Forum, we have long maintained a close partnership with Warner Bros. We worked closely together to help standardize the first-generation DVD format as well as to define and shape HD DVD as its next-generation successor.
We were particularly disappointed that this decision was made in spite of the significant momentum HD DVD has gained in the US market as well as other regions in 2007. HD DVD players and PCs have outsold Blu-ray in the US market in 2007.
We will assess the potential impact of this announcement with the other HD DVD partner companies and evaluate potential next steps. We remain firm in our belief that HD DVD is the format best suited to the wants and needs of the consumer.
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#21 Posted by RAID 0 on 05 Jan 2008 - 00:05
- Jumpin Jesus, all the fanboyism going on in here is enough to make me gag. PeterTHX, if Blu-Ray wins.. will you promise NEVER to post here again? Really, you never have anything to say other than.. "ZOMG BLEW-RAY!! HD-DVD is teh sux0rs!"
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#21.1 Posted by PeterTHX on 05 Jan 2008 - 00:10
- RAID, of all the garbage you post in other threads on other topics you can have the nerve?
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#21.2 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 05 Jan 2008 - 02:40
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #22.1)RAID, of all the garbage you post in other threads on other topics you can have the nerve?
Nice how you single me out anyway. Truth hurts I guess. Will you admit you've been wrong on this format war?
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#21.3 Posted by RAID 0 on 05 Jan 2008 - 03:39
- Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #22.1)RAID, of all the garbage you post in other threads on other topics you can have the nerve?
Nice how you single me out anyway. Truth hurts I guess. Will you admit you've been wrong on this format war?
I single you out because, well... you're the only one that seems to have a hard-on for blu-ray. Did you help make BD or something? Do you have stock in Sony? Do you work for sony? It's just a God damn format, and just like MS vs. Apple it gets really friggin old. I really don't give a flying **** who wins, just as long as SOMEONE does!
As for the "garbage I post"... show me... give me an example. Please. The ONLY TIME you post ANYTHING is when the topic of high def comes up. That's fine if it's the only thing you know about, but come on bro... give it a rest. -
#21.4 Posted by Dakkaroth on 06 Jan 2008 - 16:58
- Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #21.3)Quote - (PeterTHX said @ #22.1)RAID, of all the garbage you post in other threads on other topics you can have the nerve?
Nice how you single me out anyway. Truth hurts I guess. Will you admit you've been wrong on this format war?
I single you out because, well... you're the only one that seems to have a hard-on for blu-ray. Did you help make BD or something? Do you have stock in Sony? Do you work for sony? It's just a God damn format, and just like MS vs. Apple it gets really friggin old. I really don't give a flying **** who wins, just as long as SOMEONE does!
As for the "garbage I post"... show me... give me an example. Please. The ONLY TIME you post ANYTHING is when the topic of high def comes up. That's fine if it's the only thing you know about, but come on bro... give it a rest.
Boz needs a rival; leave the two alone.
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#22 Posted by Mr Spoon on 05 Jan 2008 - 00:34
- I think it is just a shame that everyone can't get together and decide.
Surely the businesmen should have learnt from the Betama and VHS saga? (long before my time) (okay, not that long!.
Perhaps this is the nail in the coffin for HD-DVD.
I personally have extreamly limited knowledge of either, but from a consumer, HD-DVD makes sense. The Joe user of a TV is getting to grips with HD - High Def. services, so adding the words HD + DVD together will make sense to what it actually is. But to many, this whole Blue-Ray name, what the hell is that? It uses a blue lazer? Great! But the name still doesn't let people know what it is.
I want HD-DVD to win, but Warner Bros is a big catalog of films, as they now choose Blue-Ray then it may just have the edge over the market. I just feel sorry for the guys who have bought one format and stuck with it, and thenit ends up being the wrong one.
Now come on, lets all laugh at the guys choosing which format! Ha ha ha!
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#24 Posted by zeta_immersion on 05 Jan 2008 - 00:54
- NICEEEEEEEEEEEE ... go blue so i can have 50GB to burn my porn ... so much porn so little space (well of course blue is good for other things too like family photos)
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#25 Posted by HoochieMamma on 05 Jan 2008 - 01:01
- Wow, now people are going to love region codes, forced AACS protection and the lovely BD+ protection, plus the wonderful profiles crap they have! Isn't Blu-Ray grand?.......NOT...
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#25.1 Posted by Jugalator on 05 Jan 2008 - 03:46
- Big deal. AnyDVD supports decoding every single of these technologies, yes, including BD+. Not surprising. DRM is a bad idea. The companies are providing their customers with both the encrypted disks AND decryption keys. Then they try to hide the keys well. Guess what will happen. And what indeed happened.
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#25.2 Posted by HoochieMamma on 05 Jan
Warner Home Video will continue to release its titles in standard DVD format and Blu-ray. After a short window following their standard DVD and Blu-ray releases, all new titles will continue to be released in HD DVD until the end of May 2008. "Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," said Jeff Bewkes, President and Chief Executive Officer, Time Warner Inc., the parent company of Warner Bros. Entertainment. "Today's decision by Warner Bros. to distribute in a single format comes at the right time and is the best decision both for consumers and Time Warner."
"A two-format landscape has led to consumer confusion and indifference toward high definition, which has kept the technology from reaching mass adoption and becoming the important revenue stream that it can be for the industry," said Tsujihara. "Consumers have clearly chosen Blu-ray, and we believe that recognizing this preference is the right step in making this great home entertainment experience accessible to the widest possible audience. Warner Bros. has worked very closely with the Toshiba Corporation in promoting high definition media and we have enormous respect for their efforts. We look forward to working with them on other projects in the future."