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Windows Vista: The Facts

franzon   on 20 January 2008 - 17:35 · 103 comments & 71475 views

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  • The majority of Windows Vista-based PCs boot in less than a minute, which can be an improvement over Windows XP boot times. And the new Windows Vista sleep and resume features can bring your PC to life in a snap—in fact, the vast majority of all Windows Vista-based PCs resume from sleep in less than 6 seconds.
  • PCs running Windows Vista that are equipped with 512 MB memory experience a performance boost of up to 40 percent with Windows ReadyBoost. Just plug a USB flash drive into your computer, and Windows Vista will automatically start using it to speed up memory access to important data.
  • Out of the box, Windows Vista performs as well, or better, than Windows XP on common home and business tasks.
  • Windows Vista users generally experience 20 percent fewer application "hangs" than those running Windows XP
  • Superfetch helps your computer adjust to your schedule, so your apps are ready to go before you even launch them. Use Microsoft Outlook every morning? Superfetch will serve it up just in time for breakfast. Play the same game every night? Superfetch gets your computer ready for the next big win. Waiting less means you can do more
  • Based on their first 180 days of availability, Windows Vista has been shown to have fewer vulnerabilities than Windows XP or MacOS X 10.4. PCs running it are 60 percent less likely to be infected with viruses, worms, and rootkits than PCs running Windows XP SP2. Windows Vista-based PCs are over 90 percent less likely to be infected than systems running Windows XP without a Service Pack. And the experts agree: "Windows Vista is arguably the most secure closed-source OS available on the market."
  • The more people use Windows Vista, the more they like it. So dig in and learn even more about the new features in Windows Vista. Once you've tried it, you'll see

News source: Microsoft

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(1 reply) #1 naap51stang on 20 Jan 2008 - 17:44
I use Vista....it was free....
Resuming from sleep is MUCH faster on my Dell E-1505 (2 gig ram). Superfetch actually does work quite well.
Other than that, unless you get it free, or with a new computer, configured with 2 gig of ram, or you play a lot
of games, I wouldn't get it. It's overpriced.
#1.1 WICKO on 21 Jan 2008 - 00:01
I would say if you DON'T play a lot of games, then Vista is for you (thanks to the decrease in performance). Games for Windows was looking pretty cool, not including the "pay for an account and you get some extras" garbage. Except MS seems to have forgotten about it.

How sad, don't use Vista unless its free or comes preloaded eh.. You know your software is doing great when thats the general consensus, lol.

On another note, why is Neowin reporting what is basically an advertisement for Vista as news? I love how MS references articles by its own company as "proof", haha.
(10 replies) #2 Chokes on 20 Jan 2008 - 17:44
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see
#2.1 guruparan on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:08
(Chokes said @ #2)
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see


Chincane-Uk is the first to post that! ;-)

Anyway i use Vista at my laptop & my home pc, at work we use both Vista & XP (around 70% time i use Vista (its our main pc)...) we havent had any big issue now..because almost all the softwares we use are working fine...and we had minor issues with netgear wireless router...but that too got resolved with a updated driver from netgear...

Vista is great...but i am looking for Windows seven to be more great (in terms of UI)
#2.2 The Walker on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:32
(Chokes said @ #2)
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see


I would have expected better chokes!

It's not about 'Vista hating', it's about recognising a mature, stable, functional operating system that allows ME to take charge of my computer needs... Vista is unstable, incompatible, doesn't deserve anywhere near it's system requirements, and wrests computer control from us to give to Redmond..

BTW.. if M$ didn't think Vista was crap too, then it wouldn't be ramping up delivery of Windows 7, making take up of Vista utterly pointless.. do some research.. even BG said it was 'flawed', and for a copmany spokesman to say that is tantamount to setting it on fire.

Vista IS crap.. but that's not mindless hating.. it's balanced assessment bourne out of use and the awareness of what an OS should in reality do for production, economy of hardware and the evolution of an OS.

When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.
#2.3 Chrono951 on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:52
(The Walker said @ #2.2)
(Chokes said @ #2)
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see


I would have expected better chokes!

It's not about 'Vista hating', it's about recognising a mature, stable, functional operating system that allows ME to take charge of my computer needs... Vista is unstable, incompatible, doesn't deserve anywhere near it's system requirements, and wrests computer control from us to give to Redmond..

BTW.. if M$ didn't think Vista was crap too, then it wouldn't be ramping up delivery of Windows 7, making take up of Vista utterly pointless.. do some research.. even BG said it was 'flawed', and for a copmany spokesman to say that is tantamount to setting it on fire.

Vista IS crap.. but that's not mindless hating.. it's balanced assessment bourne out of use and the awareness of what an OS should in reality do for production, economy of hardware and the evolution of an OS.

When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.




I stopped reading right after you wrote "M$". That tells me and eveyone else right there what kind of person you are.
#2.4 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:13
(The Walker said @ #2.2)


When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.


Hello, Apple! King of shiny, inferior crap that requires you buy all new hardware when they change the slightest thing... "You don't need to know how to upgrade your computer, just toss it out and buy a new one from us. We raised the prices for you, even!"

EDIT: And here's the start of your FUD: XP not ready for prime time (from 2001)

The article begins:
If you own a great new laptop you may know there may be a few
things that don't work. This is not due to the machine it is due to
the Microsoft Windows XP product that comes loaded on the laptop. From
programs that the OS does not like to drivers for hardware that does
not exists. This new OS (XP) needs a service pack.


Sound familiar? I can find MANY more of those...

Last edited by GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:22
#2.5 The Walker on 20 Jan 2008 - 22:08
(Chrono951 said @ #2.3)
(The Walker said @ #2.2)
(Chokes said @ #2)
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see


I would have expected better chokes!

It's not about 'Vista hating', it's about recognising a mature, stable, functional operating system that allows ME to take charge of my computer needs... Vista is unstable, incompatible, doesn't deserve anywhere near it's system requirements, and wrests computer control from us to give to Redmond..

BTW.. if M$ didn't think Vista was crap too, then it wouldn't be ramping up delivery of Windows 7, making take up of Vista utterly pointless.. do some research.. even BG said it was 'flawed', and for a copmany spokesman to say that is tantamount to setting it on fire.

Vista IS crap.. but that's not mindless hating.. it's balanced assessment bourne out of use and the awareness of what an OS should in reality do for production, economy of hardware and the evolution of an OS.

When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.




I stopped reading right after you wrote "M$". That tells me and eveyone else right there what kind of person you are.


LOL... ok what kind of PERSON am I then?
#2.6 The Walker on 20 Jan 2008 - 22:28
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.4)
(The Walker said @ #2.2)
<spurious vomit snipped>

When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.


Hello, Apple! King of shiny, inferior crap that requires you buy all new hardware when they change the slightest thing... "You don't need to know how to upgrade your computer, just toss it out and buy a new one from us. We raised the prices for you, even!"

EDIT: And here's the start of your FUD: XP not ready for prime time (from 2001)

The article begins:
If you own a great new laptop you may know there may be a few
things that don't work. This is not due to the machine it is due to
the Microsoft Windows XP product that comes loaded on the laptop. From
programs that the OS does not like to drivers for hardware that does
not exists. This new OS (XP) needs a service pack.


Sound familiar? I can find MANY more of those...


I assume that by the apple line you think that I am an Apple fanboy?.. nope never used it, been windows all my time.

Even 'IF'... XP was as bad as your 'article' says it was... (and that's by no means an admission of anything).. at least XP was cleaned up, so to speak.. there is NO CHANCE that Vista can be cleaned up.. it was designed to be bloated and restrictive and a resource hog..it was designed to move the control of your PC from you, to the way the corporate structure wants you to use it (please don't even try to dispute this.. these reasons have been well documented)... and that's the way it's going to stay.. you don't get a fix for those kind of things.

.. but going on to my other point.. With the news that W7 will be out 2009.. WHAT"S THE POINT OF 'UPGRADING' (lol)?.. Vista is already obsolete..by the time it is in any fit shape to be taken up by the vast majority of the market, it will be superceded by W7... the only possiblility of forcing it's use was in it being DX10 only (but even this can be done on XP).. BUT DX10 ISN'T BEING USED BY THE GAMING DEVELOPERS IN GENERAL.. maybe a few titles here and there, but it's gone down pretty much like a lead balloon, with other API's being used in the name of compatibility to serve the mass migration from windows (relatively speaking) that has been caused by the Vista blunder.

You can argue all you wish (which would be rather blind of you to do so), but the larger market share of both Apple and Linux, proves that Vista has been a HUGE let down, and quite frankly useless for the market it was aimed at.... even big business (which ALWAYS supports itself) won't even touch it with a bargepole.

So given THESE facts.. and the knowledge that Vista is about as desirable as herpes.. can you in ALL HONESTY still say Vista is a worthwhile and sensible 'investment'?
#2.7 HawkMan on 20 Jan 2008 - 23:25
(The Walker said @ #2.2)
(Chokes said @ #2)
We will see Vista hater's here soon saying that Vista is crap bla bla bla......
Let's see


I would have expected better chokes!

It's not about 'Vista hating', it's about recognising a mature, stable, functional operating system that allows ME to take charge of my computer needs... Vista is unstable, incompatible, doesn't deserve anywhere near it's system requirements, and wrests computer control from us to give to Redmond..

BTW.. if M$ didn't think Vista was crap too, then it wouldn't be ramping up delivery of Windows 7, making take up of Vista utterly pointless.. do some research.. even BG said it was 'flawed', and for a copmany spokesman to say that is tantamount to setting it on fire.

Vista IS crap.. but that's not mindless hating.. it's balanced assessment bourne out of use and the awareness of what an OS should in reality do for production, economy of hardware and the evolution of an OS.

When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.


ok so I actually read through your crap

now gimme some evidence for the crap you claim

Vista unstable ? give me proof, I could show you my reliebility monitor showing that Vista has been more stable than XP in the little over a year I've used it now. and for me XP was pretty dan stable too. but Bista got it beat.

Incompatibilty, what incompatibilities ? again, I'm not havign any real incompatibilites on my Vista and I run all kinds of crap from freeware ages old to high end 3D modelling software.

also what computer controlis Vista taking away from me ? please enlighten me, I do consider myself a proffesional, but I haven't noticed this so please tell me what I'm missing here.


and most importantly for your Widnows 7 point.

MS isn't ramping up the release of Windows 7, in fact windows 7 is on schedule like all previus OS released, wWin 95,Win98(,WinME), Win2k, WinXP. Notice how all these have a 2-3 year release span,actually closer to 2, except for win95-98. and that's not including 98r2, but then that's really more of a service pack release. Vista was an exception, it was supposed to launch according to the same schedule. But since Vista is such a big rewrite form previus versions replacing entire subsystems with new imporved versions and the fact that the codebase was changed and they "started over" mean they fell WAY outside this mark.

So MS isn't ramping up anything, they're just getting back on track.


as for what kind of person you writing M$ says you are, just like the rest of yoru post, it says you're uninformed and don't know what you're talking about. and you're the averag Vista/MS hater who doesn't even know why he hates MS/Vista, it's just a badnwagon thing.
#2.8 cullend11 on 21 Jan 2008 - 02:24
(The Walker said @ #2.2)
if M$ didn't think Vista was crap too, then it wouldn't be ramping up delivery of Windows 7, making take up of Vista utterly pointless.. do some research.. even BG said it was 'flawed', and for a copmany spokesman to say that is tantamount to setting it on fire.


No, they aren't ramping up, people just can't read. Vista was finnished in 2006, Microsoft said the succesor would be delievered three years after Vista was done -- WHICH WAS 2006
2006
+ 3
------
2009
#2.9 cullend11 on 21 Jan 2008 - 02:50
(The Walker said @ #2.6)
(GreyWolfSC said @ #2.4)
(The Walker said @ #2.2)


When people walk aroung swallowing the M$ PR line, saying 'OOO SHINEY', and blindly refuse to admit what a flawed and badly designed POS Vista really is... even it in the face of GLARINGLY OBVIOUS problems (...and btw, it's PURE FUD that XP was anywhere near as bad on release) THAT'S is the REAL PROBLEM.. because if you all continue to blythly accept inferior goods that are designed to restrict the control you have over YOUR purchased hardware.. then that's all that you will be given.


Hello, Apple! King of shiny, inferior crap that requires you buy all new hardware when they change the slightest thing... "You don't need to know how to upgrade your computer, just toss it out and buy a new one from us. We raised the prices for you, even!"

EDIT: And here's the start of your FUD: XP not ready for prime time (from 2001)

The article begins:
If you own a great new laptop you may know there may be a few
things that don't work. This is not due to the machine it is due to
the Microsoft Windows XP product that comes loaded on the laptop. From
programs that the OS does not like to drivers for hardware that does
not exists. This new OS (XP) needs a service pack.


Sound familiar? I can find MANY more of those...


I assume that by the apple line you think that I am an Apple fanboy?.. nope never used it, been windows all my time.

Even 'IF'... XP was as bad as your 'article' says it was... (and that's by no means an admission of anything).. at least XP was cleaned up, so to speak.. there is NO CHANCE that Vista can be cleaned up.. it was designed to be bloated and restrictive and a resource hog..it was designed to move the control of your PC from you, to the way the corporate structure wants you to use it (please don't even try to dispute this.. these reasons have been well documented)... and that's the way it's going to stay.. you don't get a fix for those kind of things.

.. but going on to my other point.. With the news that W7 will be out 2009.. WHAT"S THE POINT OF 'UPGRADING' (lol)?.. Vista is already obsolete..by the time it is in any fit shape to be taken up by the vast majority of the market, it will be superceded by W7... the only possiblility of forcing it's use was in it being DX10 only (but even this can be done on XP).. BUT DX10 ISN'T BEING USED BY THE GAMING DEVELOPERS IN GENERAL.. maybe a few titles here and there, but it's gone down pretty much like a lead balloon, with other API's being used in the name of compatibility to serve the mass migration from windows (relatively speaking) that has been caused by the Vista blunder.

You can argue all you wish (which would be rather blind of you to do so), but the larger market share of both Apple and Linux, proves that Vista has been a HUGE let down, and quite frankly useless for the market it was aimed at.... even big business (which ALWAYS supports itself) won't even touch it with a bargepole.

So given THESE facts.. and the knowledge that Vista is about as desirable as herpes.. can you in ALL HONESTY still say Vista is a worthwhile and sensible 'investment'?


Ahhh, you're one of those kind of people. "M$" and "Microsoft is an evil corporation! They are trying to control you!" Right. The corporations, as in a single entity. It's actually a giant conspiracy, all corporations are controlled by one super board of directors.

BTW, People who say "The Corporations" need to take an english lesson. Corporation is a noun...

I point you to South Park, Episode 902. 'Nuff said
#2.10 ZombieFly on 21 Jan 2008 - 08:44
(Chrono951 said @ #2.3)
I stopped reading right after you wrote "M$". That tells me and eveyone else right there what kind of person you are.


..i gave up reading when i realised he couldn't spell or use basic grammar. He's even made up his own words
(2 replies) #3 Popcorned on 20 Jan 2008 - 17:45
What? Neowin's not even serving news anymore, this is just a facts page from Microsofts Vista page.

Honestly guys, you really need to improve so the called "news".
#3.1 Bosaka on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:05
Not to mention it's all about using those annoying Read More links to generate more ad revenue.
#3.2 Sagittarius on 20 Jan 2008 - 22:13
Well, Bosaka, as far as I know, I don't think using the read more is an official policy, as Steven himself rarely uses the extended news tag.

In my case, when I'm writing news, I figure most people don't want to scroll through hundreds of lines of text per story on the front page, so if I think an article will run long, I'll put the main points of the article on the first shown paragraph, so people won't necessarily have to click on it, and leave all the supporting info, etc. in the extended section for further reading.
#4 Doli on 20 Jan 2008 - 17:48
Strange that a features list made front page news...

I do like how vista handles Sleep mode.
(13 replies) #5 Chicane-UK on 20 Jan 2008 - 17:50
Oh boy...

The majority of Windows Vista-based PCs boot in less than a minute, which can be an improvement over Windows XP boot times.


Um yeah.. assuming the Windows XP machine is virus infested, heavily fragmented and running with 128MB of RAM, then and only then will Vista boot faster. How can an OS that boots into needing 300-400MB of RAM possibly boot quicker than one needing half (or in some cases 1/4) of that? The disk can only ready the data into memory so quickly..

PCs running Windows Vista that are equipped with 512 MB memory experience a performance boost of up to 40 percent with Windows ReadyBoost. Just plug a USB flash drive into your computer, and Windows Vista will automatically start using it to speed up memory access to important data.


Or stick with XP where 512MB is more than enough.

Out of the box, Windows Vista performs as well, or better, than Windows XP on common home and business tasks.


Like?

Windows Vista has been shown to have fewer vulnerabilities than Windows XP or MacOS X 10.4.


Hm. I'd like to see some figures to back that up - especially the MacOSX claim!

The more people use Windows Vista, the more they like it.


Well - i've tried to get on with it about 10 or 15 different times now and after about a week or two I end up pulling my hair out at the lethargic performance, and backwards way of doing most things. In fact its the opposite way around for me.. I get the 'wow' once i've installed it, and a week or two later I can't wait to get out.

Flame me all you want. I don't care. Vista just isn't the product I hoped it'd be. I use Windows for my professional career and Vista just didn't live up to the hype, or deliver the sort of product I wanted to use on my desktop. Microsoft have got to be worried if they have to dish up an article like this.. really.
#5.1 cork1958 on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:06
Couldn't agree with you anymore than I do.

I've had Vista installed 3 times now and even bought a brand new machine that has more than enough oomph to run it.

Can't stand it. Removed Vista from the brand new machine in 2 days. Longest I have been able to tolerate it. MS should be sued for releasing such trash!

And I thought XP sucked after initial release compared to nice, stable old W2K, at the time.
#5.2 MioTheGreat on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:10
#5.3 EpidemiK on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:12
Go away, Vista hater.
#5.4 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:21
(Chicane-UK said @ #5)
Oh boy...

The majority of Windows Vista-based PCs boot in less than a minute, which can be an improvement over Windows XP boot times.


Um yeah.. assuming the Windows XP machine is virus infested, heavily fragmented and running with 128MB of RAM, then and only then will Vista boot faster. How can an OS that boots into needing 300-400MB of RAM possibly boot quicker than one needing half (or in some cases 1/4) of that? The disk can only ready the data into memory so quickly..

PCs running Windows Vista that are equipped with 512 MB memory experience a performance boost of up to 40 percent with Windows ReadyBoost. Just plug a USB flash drive into your computer, and Windows Vista will automatically start using it to speed up memory access to important data.


Or stick with XP where 512MB is more than enough.

Out of the box, Windows Vista performs as well, or better, than Windows XP on common home and business tasks.


Like?

Windows Vista has been shown to have fewer vulnerabilities than Windows XP or MacOS X 10.4.


Hm. I'd like to see some figures to back that up - especially the MacOSX claim!

The more people use Windows Vista, the more they like it.


Well - i've tried to get on with it about 10 or 15 different times now and after about a week or two I end up pulling my hair out at the lethargic performance, and backwards way of doing most things. In fact its the opposite way around for me.. I get the 'wow' once i've installed it, and a week or two later I can't wait to get out.

Flame me all you want. I don't care. Vista just isn't the product I hoped it'd be. I use Windows for my professional career and Vista just didn't live up to the hype, or deliver the sort of product I wanted to use on my desktop. Microsoft have got to be worried if they have to dish up an article like this.. really.


More mental effluvia... Why not tell all the Mac users to stick with OS 9?
#5.5 +Shadrack on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:02
Well - i've tried to get on with it about 10 or 15 different times now and after about a week or two I end up pulling my hair out at the lethargic performance, and backwards way of doing most things. In fact its the opposite way around for me.. I get the 'wow' once i've installed it, and a week or two later I can't wait to get out.


Do you install every "desktop pole-dancer/stripper" program you come across? That could be the problem...
#5.6 +abulfares on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:05
Chicane-UK, did Apple freaking pay u or something? since u don't have anything better to do than bash Vista.

no one gives crap if u hate it cause the fact is its working flawlessly for the most of us.

so, take yr trolling behind back to Apple's forums.
#5.7 Pupik on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:17
(Chicane-UK said @ #5)
Um yeah.. assuming the Windows XP machine is virus infested, heavily fragmented and running with 128MB of RAM, then and only then will Vista boot faster. How can an OS that boots into needing 300-400MB of RAM possibly boot quicker than one needing half (or in some cases 1/4) of that? The disk can only ready the data into memory so quickly.

Your logic sounds good, so I'll believe it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5_k3x61aM
#5.8 Chicane-UK on 20 Jan 2008 - 20:36
Look. I work in IT. I've worked in IT for 11 years. I'm not some newb who has nothing to come on here but bash Vista because I think it's a laugh watching you guys frothing at the mouth to defend it.

I hold my hands up to concede that ultimately its down to personal choice - but I just sit here struggling to understand how you guys are so pleased with Vista. Can you honestly tell me there is NOTHING about it that dissapoints you?

For me its a kick in the balls because i've really enjoyed every Windows release prior to this. I eagerly got all the beta's I could and when the discs rolled in (MS Select customer) for 98, 2000, then XP I literally installed them the DAY they turned up. How can I be a "troll" when i've been using Windows for years and years? I'm a dissappointed customer - not a troll. And if you guys consider a customer who is vocal about his dissappointment with a product is a troll, you had better stay away from any customer facing business cause clearly you don't "get" criticism.

More mental effluvia... Why not tell all the Mac users to stick with OS 9?


Because subsequent MacOS releases are usually a major improvement on the existing product. Vista just isn't.
#5.9 Xerxes on 20 Jan 2008 - 21:15
I completely agree with everything Chicane-UK said, from my own Vista experiences they are 110% true (for me anyway) however, I still prefer Vista over XP I think Vista's main problem was it was released way too soon, while I enjoy using it over XP, I have to admit it at times it does feel like an unfinished beta and not a final product.

I think Vista will end up getting pushed quickly under the carpet after the release of Windows 7 (much like WinME did after XP, but I'm not saying it is WinME) and quickly forgotten about. I suspect SP1 may be the only SP for Vista as well.

Finally, while I think Vista is fine for personal use, it is not good for business use. Where I work we rolled out Vista on some of the machines (brand new ones) and got nothing but trouble from them and as a result we are skipping Vista, will we roll out Windows 7 when the time comes? probally not either, as XP works perfectly. Win7 will need to be something special to convince us it is worth it (because of what happened with Vista).
#5.10 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 22:56
(Chicane-UK said @ #5.
Look. I work in IT. I've worked in IT for 11 years. I'm not some newb who has nothing to come on here but bash Vista because I think it's a laugh watching you guys frothing at the mouth to defend it.

I hold my hands up to concede that ultimately its down to personal choice - but I just sit here struggling to understand how you guys are so pleased with Vista. Can you honestly tell me there is NOTHING about it that dissapoints you?

For me its a kick in the balls because i've really enjoyed every Windows release prior to this. I eagerly got all the beta's I could and when the discs rolled in (MS Select customer) for 98, 2000, then XP I literally installed them the DAY they turned up. How can I be a "troll" when i've been using Windows for years and years? I'm a dissappointed customer - not a troll. And if you guys consider a customer who is vocal about his dissappointment with a product is a troll, you had better stay away from any customer facing business cause clearly you don't "get" criticism.

More mental effluvia... Why not tell all the Mac users to stick with OS 9?


Because subsequent MacOS releases are usually a major improvement on the existing product. Vista just isn't.


While I could argue on your opinion of the Mac OS major improvements, I won't. But I apologize for assuming you were an Applephile.
#5.11 Chicane-UK on 21 Jan 2008 - 08:45
While I could argue on your opinion of the Mac OS major improvements, I won't.


Well i'm willing to concede that OSX releases are gradual improvements rather than major improvements.. but I definately take offence at Windows trolls who just refer to them as service packs, as they really are not. As a paying customer I feel that OSX increments are worth their price, to put it into perspective!

I apologize for assuming you were an Applephile.


I do like Apple a lot - i'm not ashamed of that. I've got a couple of iPods and a Mac Mini but I use Windows for work, i'm a Windows sysadmin for my job, but I wish I could use my Mac more. That said i'm not a blind Apple fanboy.. when they do things that dissappoint me, i'm happy to say so. For example, I reeeeallly don't like or see the point of the Macbook Air! I'd much rather have had the 'home enthusiast' Mac we were talking about in the other thread!
#5.12 ZombieFly on 21 Jan 2008 - 08:52
(Chicane-UK said @ #9)
Look. I work in IT. I've worked in IT for 11 years. I'm not some newb who has nothing to come on here but bash Vista because I think it's a laugh watching you guys frothing at the mouth to defend it.


Lol. I love it when people with a completely duff argument back it up with "I've been in IT for X years!". What exactly is the IT you refer to? you're strange little bubble world where you are king and everybody listens to you? [for reference, it's I.T.]

newb
#5.13 Chicane-UK on 21 Jan 2008 - 13:04
Lol. I love it when people with a completely duff argument back it up with "I've been in IT for X years!". What exactly is the IT you refer to? you're strange little bubble world where you are king and everybody listens to you? [for reference, it's I.T.]

newb


I worked in desktop support for approximately 8 years, and moved into System Administration a few years back. Working for one of the largest Universities in the UK as a system admin, part of a team that maintains approximately 200 Windows servers - that includes hardware and software maintainance.

I'm certainly not an 'old hand' but frankly I resent being called a newb.
#6 tpfareavip on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:09
totally agree with Chicane-UK. This is jus M$ trying to do some damage control after everything else failed, there just sticking to there story since theres not much else to do. It would be easier if they just said "we spent a lot of cash on vista and the next OS is gonna take a while so buy this SH_T or stop nagging us cause we know it sucks!"
#7 coolkat007 on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:11
neowin=neo-'windows vista'?
come on guys!!
load windows 98 on to your good running XP system.., it will be much faster than xp..
load windows 3.1 on your windows xp system.. it will load super fast!!

Vista is not just about graphics its the technology! deal with it! if you need a system just to play road rash, chat on messenger, browse web 1.0 sites, get a low end super cheap laptop.. that will serve your purpose.

My laptop cannot run vista as good as it is running XP because it was designed to run XP well. if you cant get a system with minimum requirements, its not vista's fault!! seriously, im sick of the frontpage vista bashing!

XP is old now yet it can do most of your tasks that does not mean that Microsoft should stop making operating systems with good technology. ME was a change in technology. i agree that it was a failure but again.., its all about technology.

Vista took so long to develop just because it was developed from scratch. It can do lot of other functions that XP cant do. It takes a massive 500-600 MB service pack for XP to do some simple features of Vista! if you cant see the technology behind XP, its most obvious that you don't use those features.

Vista is over priced? some codecs are proprietary, people sue major companies and don't care about the companies they are fans of.. so to satisfy these guys.., it needs money.. thats is what it is charging you. Microsoft doesnot charge you for support as your favorite company does. it offers free updates. it does what it promised. complain if it does not but don't bash the poor OS for un-promised features.
#8 chris4 on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:11
Hmm, I'd be more convinced if it was someone else saying it, but the fact that it's Microsoft I'm not going to believe it.

Try again Microsoft, this time give us some solid proof.
(1 reply) #9 justlooking on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:28
I have nothing against Vista. It's perfect for explorer.exe crash fans.
#9.1 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:53
(justlooking said @ #9)
I have nothing against Vista. It's perfect for explorer.exe crash fans.


Yes, I've seen your posts in the computer assistance forums here quite often asking for help.
#10 digitalsoft on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:40
I'd say it’s all rather accurate information... Not had any problems with vista, and I’m a strong believer of it’s the user not the computer... probably thus the reason I’ve had no problems
(4 replies) #11 OblivionStalker on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:41
Windows XP was blamed the same way that now Vista is blamed for slow performance. Windows XP was nothing until SP2 was released. So stop ******* blaming MS for their products, it is not like you can do them better. If you don't like them, we don't need to know about that, go use Linux or Mac.

Show some constructive criticism, ***.


This is for those aggressive anti-vista fans.
#11.1 Foub on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:03
No, XP wasn't nearly as bad as Vista is..... Even before SP2. And I was a Vista fan until I actually got it. I even bought a copy the day after it officially came out and used it for nearly 6 months before finally dumping it. I gave it more than a fair try and it failed on so many things.

Face it Vista is a consumer product that makes people consume more in order to run it properly. It is designed that way and far too many are easily impressed by shiny things instead of real substance and get upset when others question this shallowness of theirs.
#11.2 coolvi on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:07
(OblivionStalker said @ #11)
Windows XP was blamed the same way that now Vista is blamed for slow performance. Windows XP was nothing until SP2 was released. So stop ******* blaming MS for their products, it is not like you can do them better. If you don't like them, we don't need to know about that, go use Linux or Mac.

Show some constructive criticism, ***.


This is for those aggressive anti-vista fans.


Right on.

I classify anyone who bashes Windows Vista against Windows XP which's been in service for almost six years into one of the following categories:

1) Loyal but uneducated users just migrated from non-Windows operating system;
2) Clueless users who think it's too much hassle to click 5, 6 dialog boxes just to install a malicious application;
3) Those who think 48x48 true colour desktop icons and transparent window frames are going to make their computer bleed; and
3) Those people began their computing experience after Windows XP SP2, who missed the Teardrop, Code Red, Blaster, Sasser, etc eras and the entire course of evolution.
#11.3 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:08
(Foub said @ #11.1)
No, XP wasn't nearly as bad as Vista is..... Even before SP2. And I was a Vista fan until I actually got it. I even bought a copy the day after it officially came out and used it for nearly 6 months before finally dumping it. I gave it more than a fair try and it failed on so many things.

Face it Vista is a consumer product that makes people consume more in order to run it properly. It is designed that way and far too many are easily impressed by shiny things instead of real substance and get upset when others question this shallowness of theirs.

We're talking Windows, not Mac.
#11.4 Chokes on 21 Jan 2008 - 01:17
This is so true!!! (@ coolvi)
#12 Unholy Moley! on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:46
I can't blame Microsoft for wanting to push their new Operating System, but all that is a load of crap.
(3 replies) #13 +Shadrack on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:55
I really like Windows Vista. I don't necessarily love it, and I do wish that it was more. But overall I have had a very positive experience while using Vista 64bit over Windows XP Pro. Some things run a little faster in Vista, other things run a little slower when compared to Windows XP Pro.

For instance, I use LabVIEW a lot for my job. Often, I have a millisecond timed state machine running on some hardware that I have setup. In Windows XP Pro, if I start moving windows around my state machine starts missing some beats. In Windows Vista, however, the graphics driver controls most of the display so moving windows around does not add as much burden on the CPU as it did with Windows XP and this makes my LabVIEW run more optimal.

I think whether or not Vista is better XP comes down to personal opinion and what applications and hardware you are running. People who say Windows XP is far better than Vista or vice versa have their heads up their ass and need to get a clue. It is not so black and white at the moment, but I think after SP1 (definitely after SP2) Vista will be the obvious choice.
#13.1 Gally on 20 Jan 2008 - 20:22
(Shadrack said @ #13)
I think whether or not Vista is better XP comes down to personal opinion and what applications and hardware you are running. People who say Windows XP is far better than Vista or vice versa have their heads up their ass and need to get a clue. It is not so black and white at the moment, but I think after SP1 (definitely after SP2) Vista will be the obvious choice.


That pretty much sums it all up.
#13.2 brianshapiro on 21 Jan 2008 - 02:48
(Gally said @ #13.1)
(Shadrack said @ #13)
I think whether or not Vista is better XP comes down to personal opinion and what applications and hardware you are running. People who say Windows XP is far better than Vista or vice versa have their heads up their ass and need to get a clue. It is not so black and white at the moment, but I think after SP1 (definitely after SP2) Vista will be the obvious choice.


That pretty much sums it all up.


Well I don't think there's anything better about XP except if you're running on a slower computer, where naturally you might want to stay with XP. There are a small number of unfinished interface elements and quirks in Vista, but they're not a big deal. Vista is mostly an improved version of XP. Of course you might disagree with that if you get bothered by things like a lack of a parent folder button or numerous other things that don't matter. But, while some people might want to stay with XP because of their situation, I just don't think it makes sense to say in any case 'xp is better than vista'
#13.3 +Shadrack on 21 Jan 2008 - 03:18
(brianshapiro said @ #13.2)
Well I don't think there's anything better about XP except if you're running on a slower computer, where naturally you might want to stay with XP.


Shoot! I have a computer that still runs Windows 98se on it because it is a slower computer and it makes sense. XP/2000 run like crap on it and guess what THERE IS NO FREAKEN DRIVER SUPPORT! But there are still things that the computer is used for. If we take my example of this computer and spin it like some people are spinning XP being better than Vista, by this logic we should all still be using Windows 98se on modern machines.
(1 reply) #14 Foub on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:56
Yeah, Vista is great and the Moon is made of green cheese. Too many apologists on here lately. The pay must be good? Reminds me of those Pentagon "news" briefings on Iraq.....
#14.1 +GreyWolfSC on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:07
(Foub said @ #14)
Yeah, Vista is great and the Moon is made of green cheese. Too many apologists on here lately. The pay must be good? Reminds me of those Pentagon "news" briefings on Iraq.....

Apologists? Who's apologizing? There's nothing to be sorry about.
#15 soldier1st on 20 Jan 2008 - 18:58
when any new os ships it will have problems,xp had these and if u ask me it was far worse than vista,xp without a sp is like trying to cross a river with aliens in it,you dont want to walk thru the water and being eaten by the aliens,when sp1 comes for vista that will be the changing point of vista for sure.u need to give vista time to move in and adjust as with any new os,u damn vista haters go away and get a life.the idea of turning stuff off rather than removing it is great,if u want a certain function than it turned it is easy to turn on.sure superfetch may need a few minutes to get it's act together but once it does it is fast.
#16 Neobond on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:13
All these facts are probably comparing Vista to XP (Gold, ie: without any Service Packs or updates) which if that's the case then the article is true.

The claim about Vista being more secure than XP SP2 goes without saying, you don't bring out a newer OS without learning from its predecessor lol.
(1 reply) #17 Peppers30 on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:31
Sorry but I will never touch Windows Vista again. You will have to take Windows XP out of my cold dead arms before I switch over. Tried Vista and the performance totally stinks and the driver support still stinks as well.
#17.1 cullend11 on 21 Jan 2008 - 03:06
what are your full system specs, let's see if we can't find all your drivers?
#18 daPhoenix on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:43
Well, one fact is not a fact: XP does indeed boot faster than Vista on identical hardware - the first iteration without SPs booted even faster for me.
#19 neo158 on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:43
I've got one line here for all you Vista bashers:

"Same ****, different day"

Says it all really!!!!!
#20 Xenomorph on 20 Jan 2008 - 19:56
I think it's funny that these are called "Vista Facts", when they sound more like more of the same marketing crap.

Telling people how awesome Vista is is useless. People have used it themselves, and the market will decide when/if to use it.

It's been out over a year, and neither me or my company suggests anyone use it. In fact, we've suggested people not use it.
(2 replies) #21 LTD on 20 Jan 2008 - 20:11
Why, a year after its release, do we need a "Vista: The Facts" article, along with other such articles that have been appearing ever since its release.

Why are these necessary? What are they trying to prove?