Microsoft to release Windows Vista SP1 on Feb 15th?

(1 reply) #1 Mathiasdm on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:07

February's going to be a painful month in Belgium.
The most used broadband connections have 12 GiB of space, while some are as low as 400 MiB!

Here's to hoping this service pack is another step towards higher monthly download limits (or better: no limits)!

#1.1 neufuse on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:49

(Mathiasdm said @ #1)

February's going to be a painful month in Belgium.
The most used broadband connections have 12 GiB of space, while some are as low as 400 MiB!

Here's to hoping this service pack is another step towards higher monthly download limits (or better: no limits)!

The update is only 80MB if you get it from windows update.... the large updates that are 400MB, 1.4GB and such are multi-language update packs... the 400MB one ha 5 languages and the 1.4GB is an all language pack... so 80MB is not that large...

(2 replies) #2 Marshalus on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:18

My guess is it'll be Feb 12, as that is patch Tuesday.

#2.1 Neobond on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:20

I guess this post refers to the boxed retail version, not the actual binary

I'm pretty sure that SP1 will be available quite a bit before those updated retail boxes start appearing on shelves.

#2.2 Slimy on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:21

Why would MS pile everything on one day? Release the SP first as a download, offer it on the next patch Tuesday. Then again, I don't remember how it was done previously.

(2 replies) #3 Antaris on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:25

its prices do not go up too much compared to its previous version

The price should not change, service packs are recommended by free updates

#3.1 A10 on 23 Jan 2008 - 20:02

I think he's talking about DRAM prices not going up.

#3.2 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:08

" if its prices do not go up too much compared to its previous version" no it defintaly seems they are talkign about vista prices goign up (compared to its previous version, DRAM is still DRAM), making me believe the articel writer really has no idea what they are talkign about, the price NEVER goes up after a SP....

#4 Rudy on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:32

about time, i want to give vista another try since I will be getting another 2gb of ram this week(bringing me to 4). Since I only have 32bit XP and i already bought 64bit Vista I don't want to have to buy XP64bit......I hope it will be ok...

(3 replies) #5 Landlocked on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:46

I'll say it again...MS should post updated install ISOs for people wanting to do a clean install. I know people cam slipstream, or at least could, with XP and probably Vista RCs.

#5.1 bmaher on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:50

I very much doubt they'd release one other than through MSDNAA, to MSDN Subscribers or to Technet subscribers.

You could probably email them though - if enough people email them, they may give in

#5.2 lothodon on 23 Jan 2008 - 22:16

you can't slipstream this sp1. sp2 will be slipstreamable.

#5.3 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:13

why not just download the SP to CD before you re-install, re-install and apply the SP befroe you plug in your network connection.. for your average joe its easy, if your a big corporate slipstreaming is easy (it shoudl be possible with vista).. but yeah i will be gettign a vista with SP1 dvd with my MSDN (as they always do) so im not that worried.. if you really really want it get technet or MSDN subscription...

(5 replies) #6 X@vier on 23 Jan 2008 - 16:49

I hope this fixes all my current problems, if not, is back to XP for me

~X

#6.1 7Dash8 on 23 Jan 2008 - 17:17

Don't worry, from what i hear SP1 solves every problem and doubles the speed of Vista. That's what service packs do, seriously...

#6.2 Neobond on 23 Jan 2008 - 17:28

I'm undecided if 7Dash8 is being sarcastic or serious

#6.3 FATILA on 23 Jan 2008 - 17:30

(Neobond said @ #6.2)

I'm undecided if 7Dash8 is being sarcastic or serious

Most definitely needed </s> tag

#6.4 kravex on 23 Jan 2008 - 18:27

Would that be XP SP1?

#6.5 X@vier on 23 Jan 2008 - 18:52

(kravex said @ #6.4)

Would that be XP SP1?

nope, probably XP SP3 if is out by that time if not XP SP2.....

~X

(1 reply) #7 JamesWeb on 23 Jan 2008 - 17:29

I hope this is true but I'm not going to trust someone who calls it 'Microsoft Vista'.

#7.1 Shiranui on 24 Jan 2008 - 01:25

(JamesWeb said @ #7)

I hope this is true but I'm not going to trust someone who calls it 'Microsoft Vista'.

And who thinks that the price of Vista could possibly increase because of SP1....

#8 Shadrack on 23 Jan 2008 - 17:44

I'm looking forward to this.

(3 replies) #9 Ytterbium on 23 Jan 2008 - 18:50

I have a feeling this could be true, we've had a interim build after the SP 1 RC, it can't be far off.

#9.1 +Smigit on 24 Jan 2008 - 03:17

MSI has a new motherboard too comming out in "Mid Feb" with EFI (the successor to BIOS) support which I *thought* was being added in SP1 too, at least from my understanding of the release notes for SP1. As far as I am aware Vista doesnt yet support it.

#9.2 RAID 0 on 24 Jan 2008 - 06:29

(Smigit said @ #9.1)

MSI has a new motherboard too comming out in "Mid Feb" with EFI (the successor to BIOS) support which I *thought* was being added in SP1 too, at least from my understanding of the release notes for SP1. As far as I am aware Vista doesnt yet support it.

Vista works on a Mac right? Why wouldn't it work with this MSI MB?

#9.3 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 07:27

(Smigit said @ #9.1)

MSI has a new motherboard too comming out in "Mid Feb" with EFI (the successor to BIOS) support which I *thought* was being added in SP1 too, at least from my understanding of the release notes for SP1. As far as I am aware Vista doesnt yet support it.

as far as i new XP supported it, why woudlnt vista..

(2 replies) #10 soldier1st on 23 Jan 2008 - 18:58

once sp1 hits i bet alot of vista users will be happy maybe even non vista users will move to vista.

#10.1 +Xerxes on 23 Jan 2008 - 20:53

I'm sure it will make Vista users happy (myself included) but I doubt it will bring anymore people to Vista, it doesn't change what alot of people hate about Vista. Don't be surprised if this is the only SP for Vista, I suspect Vista will go the way of WinME (I'm not saying it is WinME, just that it will end up been disliked as much and quickly swepted under the carpet and forgotten about) that is my 2cents.

#10.2 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:20

(Xerxes said @ #10.1)

I'm sure it will make Vista users happy (myself included) but I doubt it will bring anymore people to Vista, it doesn't change what alot of people hate about Vista. Don't be surprised if this is the only SP for Vista, I suspect Vista will go the way of WinME (I'm not saying it is WinME, just that it will end up been disliked as much and quickly swepted under the carpet and forgotten about) that is my 2cents.

i can't believe you wrote that, do you understand how the IT industry works at all.. most corporates dont even look at an OS until SP1, they evealuate it then move, once all their machines are up to spec..i know of one goverment department that only just moved from 2000 to XP, MS has invested way too much money and time in vista to just drop it, considering they still need to release the next version which is not available for at least another year, so where are they goign to make their money until then.. and when ME was released they had 2000 to fall back on so it wasn't an issue... i wish people woudl stop comparing vista to ME, ME was a PILE of crap... vista has issues but it is in no way anythign like ME.. it can be fixed..

and an SP will definately change what i dont like about vista from everythign i have heard, speed adn stability is improved greatly..which is what most didn't like...

#11 umtech on 23 Jan 2008 - 19:04

I'm currently running Vista with a 4400 x2 AMD and 2 gigs of ram and since the beta release of SP1, its been running pretty nice, very stable and as fast as when I was running XP w/ SP2 in the same config. My wife's machine running Vista on 2 ghz and 1 gig of ram is running much better as well, but 2 gigs seems to be the sweet spot I have found.

#12 zeb - http://Micros0ft.se on 23 Jan 2008 - 19:55

We have been waiting for this awhile...
I have tried the latest rc's and the rc refresh and I know that Microsoft has fixed som issues.
And that's good.
BUT...
The explorer.exe temporary hangs when network problems occur has been an ongoing annoyancy for the last, what, 10 years. WHY does the Windows GUI have to hang when Windows is determining the status of mapped drives and network status? I am pretty sure this isn't fixed in SP1 for Windows Vista. This is mainly a corporate issue. I talked with some Microsoft tech pros at seminars and they said "that isn't a problem, we don't map network drives, we just use unc paths".
Now I'm through whining...
There is no such thing as bad weather, just stay indoor.

But still.... SP1 is very welcome

(5 replies) #13 JJ_ on 23 Jan 2008 - 20:31

Vista uses 800mb~ of RAM on a fresh install on my laptop compared to 80mb RAM usage by a fresh XP+SP2 install. I think I'll wait for Windows 7 thanks.

#13.1 Lant on 23 Jan 2008 - 20:41

You should really read up on why it does this... RAM is there to be used, why shouldn't vista use it?

Anyway as long as SP1 is released when its ready, I'll be happy.

#13.2 Chokes on 23 Jan 2008 - 20:45

(JJ_ said @ #1)

Vista uses 800mb~ of RAM on a fresh install on my laptop compared to 80mb RAM usage by a fresh XP+SP2 install. I think I'll wait for Windows 7 thanks.

Yes and 500 - 600 mb on the virtual memory....

#13.3 xporvista on 23 Jan 2008 - 21:00

Vista uses more RAM, due to superfetch. The memory management is more efficient than XP. Just because the cache is using X amount of RAM, doesn't mean, that the cache doesn't release it. Say, you use Photoshop, Vista will cache Photoshop startup, to improve its startup time. Being that the RAM is being used for Photoshop already, where is there a problem with this? It would use just as much RAM otherwise. Plus, there has to be advances somewhere. What was the recommended RAM requirement for XP, what, 128Mb. Then the minimum for 95, 8Mb (recommended). The cost of RAM isn't even that bad now days.

I'm no fan boy. I DID NOT like Vista, when I first installed. I too went back to XP for a while, but after some of the patches started coming out, I installed it again, and some of the issues I had before, were no longer there. Yes, I will admit, there are some small quirks, but not as bad as it was. So, now I personally enjoy using Vista.

#13.4 +Xerxes on 23 Jan 2008 - 21:07

(Lant said @ #13.1)

You should really read up on why it does this... RAM is there to be used, why shouldn't vista use it?

Exactly! maybe back in the days when RAM was expensive and every Mb counted, this line of thinking was acceptable. However, these days RAM is cheap and plentiful. Vista was designed to make use of all the system's RAM as that is what the RAM is for! Obviously a smaller memory imprint is still faster (less data to copy in there) but still what is the point of having a large amounts of RAM in your system if it never gets used?

#13.5 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:23

do you thinkg windows 7 will use less ram??, whocares if it uses 800 mb when you have 2 gig or more, and when XP was released the average computer only had 128 meg of ram maybe 256 if you were rich, so proportionally vista uses about the same proportion of the available memory...

(1 reply) #14 JJ_ on 23 Jan 2008 - 21:35

Yes RAM is cheap and plentiful nowadays, however with all the memory usage and nonsense with Vista I would rather my laptop battery lasted 5 hours with XP as opposed to just about 1 hour with Vista thanks.

#14.1 mrp04 on 24 Jan 2008 - 02:32

I doubt your battery life dropped from 5 hours to 1 hour thanks

#15 KevinRGood on 23 Jan 2008 - 21:44

Good! The sooner they release Vista SP1, the soon we'll get Windows XP SP3.

(4 replies) #16 phiberoptik on 23 Jan 2008 - 22:04

So many mis-informed people on the internet.... I feel like they are trapped in the matrix, and there is nothing i can do to rescue them... oh well.. can I at least say this..... educate yourselves before you open your mouth.

#16.1 JJ_ on 23 Jan 2008 - 22:31

(phiberoptik said @ #16)

So many mis-informed people on the internet.... I feel like they are trapped in the matrix, and there is nothing i can do to rescue them... oh well.. can I at least say this..... educate yourselves before you open your mouth.

Care to explain what on earth you are talking about instead of sounding like mr-i-think-i-know-it-all

#16.2 simwit on 23 Jan 2008 - 23:16

I second that. You sound like an x-files nerd who's a sandwich short of picnic (sorry to those who like x-files)

#16.3 phiberoptik on 23 Jan 2008 - 23:56

(JJ_ said @ #16.1)

(phiberoptik said @ #16)

So many mis-informed people on the internet.... I feel like they are trapped in the matrix, and there is nothing i can do to rescue them... oh well.. can I at least say this..... educate yourselves before you open your mouth.

Care to explain what on earth you are talking about instead of sounding like mr-i-think-i-know-it-all

I'm not trying to sound like a Mr. Know it all, but I'm not on of those people that goes around and says "Vista sucks, but I haven't tried it yet". And I don't go off of what everyone else says, I prefer to test/try something and make my own opinion vs being a lemming and just doing what everyone else is doing.

#16.4 whocares78 on 24 Jan 2008 - 01:52

i actually agree with you although you could be considered arogant in the way you wrote it.. a lot of people although they think they know what they are talkgin about because they have a computer and know a little bit about them, have no idea how things work in the IT world...even some of the IT guys i have dealt with really have no idea what they are doing, i had one guy ask me how to manually change an IP address, who was 'supposed' to have his MCSE!!!!

I used to have a friend who likes to play with computers who thinks he knows enough to charge people money to rebuild windows for them, who ends up calling me half the time asking how to find drivers...as well as anything else that doesn't just work straigth off.. then has the nerve to tell me i am wrong...the one that made me laugh the most was when he insisted i tell him how to install IPv6 becasue he 'needed' it...he didn't even have a network!!!!

#17 avidracer on 23 Jan 2008 - 23:14

is there a method available to slipstream SP1 into Vista yet?

last I read the WAIK tools are no good to slipstream SP1 into original source and MS must come up with new gadgets to do this.

#18 hardgiant on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:45

SP1 won't be that big of deal and still won't encourage business users to use it.

#19 Shelby_gt on 24 Jan 2008 - 00:56

There are many changes coming from Microsoft. Not just with Vista SP1 ... but also with XP SP3! For the most part we all hope it fixes everything we want it to fix. That is not gona be very true to the fact. Microsoft can not fix what it is not completely in control of. Saying there are still going to be program developers. That are going to have to make changes to have their drivers and programs to work with SP1 and now even XP SP3.
Ya that's right - there goes the goodtimes rolling out on the XP also. The most of the new changes are centered around another region. They are not what you want to have done. They are what are needed for the industry to have ready for the rollout of Server 2008 in May 2008. [I'm not going to go over these points - being they are mostly security issues.] Compatiblity is a major factor for everything with Vista at this point. With in account there is a incompatiblity to be worked out. Saying if it is not broken...then do not fix it! Thus people want stuff to work as they want it too. But that is a matter of opion for those that see it their way and not as those of the developers.
The broad road ahead will come quicker than anyone expects and after the rollout of SP1, we will see developers for programs change the way things work. To say - "It will be better; but still not ever complete as to date!"
We are only through the first phase of release with Vista. Being now one year old. So by the time Windows 7 [or whatever they are gona call it? by then...] actually gets released. Vista should be about where XP is now.
At work all I hear is " I'll keep my XP Pro " . But the next weekend off they go out and buy a new laptop with Vista on it and are happy with using a new OS with a new computer. No matter how it works - so it would seem.
Everyone wants Vista to do as XP does in the work place. But are afraid to do what is needed to get that result. Namely buying a computer with the proper hardware to work with the new OS. [ There are too many computers being sold with cheap hardware. That barely does the job for Vista!!!]
The same is going to be true for Windows 7 and that of the next Windows after that; which will be 64bit only. Thus we all have a long way to go and a long time to see how things get worked out for the better.
I wish all the developers and designers good luck and god speed at doing just that. New developments are not going to be easy. But they are for sure going to be worth it! [ No matter what the cost truely is!!!]

SGT

(1 reply) #20 toadeater on 24 Jan 2008 - 05:59

Yes, RAM makers, make more RAM, so that when no one buys it, it'll have to be sold on clearance for $10 a gigabyte!

Too bad Nvidia doesn't overproduce like this.

#20.1 phiberoptik on 24 Jan 2008 - 13:48

umm It's already close to $10 a gigabyte.... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820609085

And AFAIK DDR2 is going down still.

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